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WGST

Re: Farewell WGST

It's stuff like this that makes me glad I never followed radio as a career. I was interested in it, but my career took a different path. Either way, it's a bummer about Kimmer....but so many seemed to have seen it coming, I wasn't all that surprised yesterday on my way home when I heard the money show rather than kimmer's pissings. Best of luck to him, though. I'd be interested to hear what happens to him next.
 
Re: WGST - The Changes Are Starting?

day1radio said:
why not become a liberal talk stations? Atlanta needs one and it couldn't hurt their ratings much.

Air America was running full strength in Atlanta for a while.....1690, but now they only run the Al Franken show......which is a shame, because Randi Rhodes is a pitbull....she's entertaining to listen to. Or was.
 
Re: WGST - The Changes Are Starting?

STF said:
Typically I'd be against trading local talk for syndicated talk, but since the Kimmer Show was unlistenable I don't mind that move. I think Denny might've deserved more time although I doubt it would have mattered.

There is a historical perspective to the WSB/WGST fight. WSB was put on the air by the Atlanta Journal and I believe WGST was put on the air by the Constitution which later sold it to Georgia Tech. WSB got on the air days before WGST as I recall.

The Constitution later got a radio station WCON which was 5000 watts day and night on 550. When the Journal and Constitution were merged, Cox took WCON TV on Channel 2 and Channel 8 which was WSB TV became a public TV station. WCON went dark with the 550 frequency quickly picked up by Charlie Smithgall who owned WGGA in Gainesville, GA then operating on 1240. WDUN was born in 1949 on 1240 when WGGA moved to 550 then with 5KW day and 500 watts night. In the 1980s, WDUN bought 550 and sold it's 1240 to WGGA.

WGST has always been the underdog to WSB even back in the heyday of AM radio. A lot had to do with programming but a lot too had to do with the fact that all the way back to the 1930s, WSB has always had the upper hand with signal being the only AM that fully covers the market 24/7. As Atlanta grew more and more people moved outside the nighttime and more importantly morning time signals of 790, 590, 920, 1380 and the Class 4s on 1340 took the heat first. Most of the other AMs then signed off at sunset. So you had 590, 750, 790, 1340 and 1380...the only full time AMs in Atlanta way up into the 1970s. That's pretty incredible when you think about it and the FM dial was sparesly population too.

WSB also had the prestige of being the hometown station you could hear all across America at night back when that meant something. It was pretty neat to be in Washington DC on a vacation and you could switch to 750 and hear the hometown station loud and clear. Plus...up into the 1950s.....WSB daytime signal could be heard throughout the South. I recall in 1976 driving with my parents from Sylvester, GA all the way to Knoxville TN listening to WSB...in the daytime. AM radios were much better then too.

WGST improved its daytime signal by buying 640 but learned what most of us in this business come to realize.....a radio station's success, or at least 90% is determined by what happens from 6-9AM M-F. WGST's 1KW on 640 doesn't cut it in a large market like Atlanta where AMs have a tough time any way due to soil conductivity being the worst in the nation. Add that to the fact that the only reason 640 can be used at night is because Ronald Reagan's FCC told broadcasters they could ignore the 50KW Cuban Clear Channel on 640. This happened when Reagan built Radio Marti to beam toward Cuba. Castro retaliated with Russian help by flooding the AM dial with interference. Things finally settled down but the 50KW in Havana Cuba is still there and soaking WGST's nighttime signal and all other 640 AMs operating on the east coast.

The sad part about WGST, I suppose, is they used to be a good #2 to WSB but probably no longer. Also, WSB got it's act together. I remember into the 1980s, WSB had a hard time shaking its old time image. One of the best billboards I've seen in radio was a row of mics. WGST had a very modern looking mic and WSB was depicted using an old RCA ribbon mic. That pretty much summed up the difference. WSB woke up although I cringe every time I hear Michael Savage on the station.

I've always been amazed that Rush Limbaugh didn't do better. You would think in the Atlanta market he would be strong but maybe Bill Maher is right, Americans are a lot more liberal (at least privately) than most people think.
 
Re: Farewell WGST

Umm, excuse me but are we all talking about the same WGST here? I mean, it's great that they raised money for some worthy causes, and I'm happy that the Kimmer was a great guy, but the WGST that I've known was absolutely unlistenable. One of the worst excuses for a radio station in the history of this market. And you can talk about your P1's all you want. The fact of the matter is the station, Kimmer, Denny, etc. had no ratings WHATSOEVER. Their acts were geared for lowest common denominator morons. Nobody likes Bloomquist but you can't argue with the logic in finally blowing that station up. Semper Fi.
 
Re: Farewell WGST

Unfortunately though, they went from Crapola 1.0 to Crapola 2.0 Beta. Oh well - Crapola stinks the same, no matter what version you install.
 
Re: WGST - The Changes Are Starting?

Bloomquist made a big mistake, and he just going in the wrong direction in this awful programming change. Tom Hughes had personality, wit, insight, experience, and was a real radio talent. Everyone remembers the 1997 Planet Radio disaster, and this new programming is worse than that. Morning listners in Atlanta want local news, humor, a local slant from a live broadcaster, interaction and a sense ownership/fraternity that only Tom Hughes and his live team could provide. The Kimmer will be missed as well, and despite some of his faults he had a good following. WGST will be belly up by Spring and as someone else stated, Bloomquist will be putting his house on the market thereafter. Tom - We want you back on the Atlanta airwaves !!!!!!
 
Re: WGST - The Changes Are Starting?

"I've always been amazed that Rush Limbaugh didn't do better. You would think in the Atlanta market he would be strong but maybe Bill Maher is right, Americans are a lot more liberal (at least privately) than most people think."

The only reason Rush is on WGST is because he's syndicated by Premiere, which is in some form or fashion a part of Clear Channel itself. I've understood that the same thing has happened with his show in some other markets...getting stuck on smaller/lesser stations simply because CC owns them. Knowing that, I'm not convinced politics has much to do with it in this case, Art.
 
Re: WGST - The Changes Are Starting?

What truly confuses me is that EVERY POSTER ON THIS BOARD ASSUMES RANDALL BLOOMQUIST IS THE REASON FOR THE CHANGES! Anybody who knows corporate radio knows there is some consultant somewhere advising somebody in a corporate position on how to fix something that people are just plain giving up on. Since I am now out of radio and can "technically" consider myself a consultant, here is my valued opinion...

WGST...sell it now as AM radio is dying fast. As for FM, as long as a corporation owns radio of any kind, including XM, Sirius or any other publically traded entity, radio is doomed.

I will now go and consult for Wal Mart. :D
 
Re: WGST - The Changes Are Starting?

ClarkKent said:
"I've always been amazed that Rush Limbaugh didn't do better. You would think in the Atlanta market he would be strong but maybe Bill Maher is right, Americans are a lot more liberal (at least privately) than most people think."

The only reason Rush is on WGST is because he's syndicated by Premiere, which is in some form or fashion a part of Clear Channel itself. I've understood that the same thing has happened with his show in some other markets...getting stuck on smaller/lesser stations simply because CC owns them. Knowing that, I'm not convinced politics has much to do with it in this case, Art.

The fact that Rush doesn't do well in Atlanta has nothing to do with the political leanings of any listener, people listen to a show because they find it entertaining, not because the host is the same political bend. Look at all the fruitcakes who show up here spinning on their eyebrows because they hate the politics of a radio show host, hell, they're listeners!
If Rush has low ratings in Atlanta it just shows how pointless it is to have a radio station with a crappy signal.
 
Re: Farewell WGST

Notthesame, I wish you and your friends well. The staff of WGST put out top notch radio, if only they had a WSB like signal, sigh...
 
Re: Farewell WGST

some good people may have worked at WGST but it has never EVER been a great station nor a successful station

lets keep it in perspective gang
 
Re: WGST - The Changes Are Starting?

Maher is wrong. If it were true Rush would have ratings nowhere. His ratings suck because he's up against Boortz and Howard and on a crappy station. His ratings are also mediocre (compared to other news or N/T stations) in San Fran, Boston, and Cincinnati
 
Re: Farewell WGST

radiofriend1 said:
some good people may have worked at WGST but it has never EVER been a great station nor a successful station

Are you sure? Why I heard Dave Ramsey say just yesterday that WGST "has a rich tradition of winning in the Atlanta market."

Dave often says "How do you know a (debt) collector is lying? His lips are moving!" Kinda of the same way you know Dave is lying.

Notice Clark Howard and Dave Ramsey overlap each other in Atlanta in the 3-4pm hour. Clark Howard is an inclusive kinda guy, never offensive and tolerant of other people's religious beliefs, political preferences, sexual orientation, etc. Dave is a self-centered egomaniac who sells himself and his program as if "he's only right", and ends each show with ""Remember, there's ultimately only one way to Financial Peace, and that's to walk daily with the Prince of Peace, Christ Jesus." So according to Dave ... myself, Clark Howard, and Alan Greenspan can have no financial peace. Also according to Dave, he advises his followers to stop 401K contributions while getting out of debt, but to keep tithing. I don't mean to offend anyone on the board who is a committed Christian, but Dave Ramsey's misuse of religion to steer people to follow "his plan" and also guide them to his "Endorsed Local Providers" so they can sell mutual funds with high loads and transaction fees, is misleading and offensive. Clark always tells people to go to "fee only" financial planners who don't make a commission. Sorry WGST listeners, with Dave Ramsey you get what you deserve.
 
Re: Farewell WGST

radiofriend1 said:
some good people may have worked at WGST but it has never EVER been a great station nor a successful station

lets keep it in perspective gang

I disagree with you. I was a GST listener for almost 20 years and I have a pretty good perspective. They had a really good run in the 90's, especially with the FM simulcast. Ever hear of Neal Boortz or Clark Howard?
 
Re: Farewell WGST

DashRiprock said:
radiofriend1 said:
some good people may have worked at WGST but it has never EVER been a great station nor a successful station

lets keep it in perspective gang

I disagree with you. I was a GST listener for almost 20 years and I have a pretty good perspective. They had a really good run in the 90's, especially with the FM simulcast. Ever hear of Neal Boortz or Clark Howard?

i am sure u think they were great and that is fine. but ratings-wise they never really gave wsb a run for their money
 
Re: WGST - The Changes Are Starting?

KJCB said:
Maher is wrong. If it were true Rush would have ratings nowhere. His ratings suck because he's up against Boortz and Howard and on a crappy station. His ratings are also mediocre (compared to other news or N/T stations) in San Fran, Boston, and Cincinnati

Rush has always been on WGST long before Clear Channel owned the station and they owned Premiere. Also there isn't a time of the year that his program doesn't air when WGST is on full 50KW.WGST's 2 mvm contour (considered the listenable AM signal inside buildings) covers 14,791.8 square kilometers and 3,884,482 people. WSB's 2 mvm covers 11,306.1 sq KM and 3,822,962.

So, when they are on 50,000 watts, WGST actually has a bigger signal than WSB.

For Rush, it's not a case of signal.

Folks who would listen to Rush are listening to Clark Howard, don't think so. There is something else going on.
 
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