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WGTM Wilson Towers (Pattern, Lighting)

With the complaints about our ENC board being a little slow, I thought I would un-lurk for a while to ask a couple of questions…

WGTM in Wilson uses four 412ft towers located east of town in Rock Ridge. The southern-most two towers look thinner and newer than the fatter northern towers. Were these two towers added later to allow 5kw full-time? When did they go up?

Also, none of these towers have been lit at night since at least the summer of 2004. Did the FCC relax its rules concerning height/lighting? Or are these towers in such bad shape now that no one wants to climb them.

590 could have been upgraded to 25kw full-time several years ago with no change in antenna patterns - doubling its coverage area. But with other changes on the dial recently, this doesn’t appear to be viable anymore. Sad.
 
She is on the air, but Spirit Broadcasting (aka Celestine Willis, the Bishop's daughter) will most likely run this ship until it sinks. It was in bad shape when the Campbell's sold it in 85, and Willis has put the bare minimum into it since then.
 
I never understood why WGTM was sold, but did they have a chance years ago to
boost to 25,000 watts, back in the days when AM stations had listeners, they should have did this, which would have made the value worth much more if the
current owner sold them sooner or later.
 
WGTM is just another in a long line of AM's that are being ignored...Kinda sad.....
Of all the owner/operators Willis is about as bad as it gets. I have great memories of 590 as a kid. Those all day Elvis Tributes on January 8th and August 16th were great. I wish I had more WGTM airchecks... I used to love to go to the Burger Boy in Wilson and listen to WGTM...

Allen
 
I agree, WGTM is an example of the 4 stations in Wilson that you don't really need to be qualified to have a station, but to be successful you need to be qualfied. I really think when the FCC relaxed the license back in 96 or 97 for on air operators, it opened the door for local stations to get rid of quality personnel and hire the cheapest ones they could find. The stations here seem to prove that.
 
On the topic of WGTM....Does anyone know what ever happend to Jimmy Apple who


used to be the operations manager there and before that at WHIT in New Bern back in the


1970s?
 
gary sapiane said:
On the topic of WGTM....Does anyone know what ever happend to Jimmy Apple who
used to be the operations manager there and before that at WHIT in New Bern back in the
1970s?

When I worked at WRNB in the late 80's, we used Apple's Frequency Measuring Service. He said that he was in Raleigh at the time.
 
I was lising to WGTM this morning around 11:40 am. The only thing i have to say is horrible...
 
I may have found a little bit of bad news (or maybe good news) in the paper. WGTM's owner is in the process of having her house foreclosed on. I don't know her, but I hope that she can prevent the loss of her house.

Which brings up WGTM. Will she sell it, to keep her house? Or has she borrowed against the station, already? D'OHH!!

In other "Dire Straits" news, the preacher that runs WUBN-LP is also in foreclosure. It was listed back in December. His 'church' is also in bankruptcy. Not very good financial management there, unless bankruptcy protection was part of the plan all along.

And I really don't see WVOT 1420 coming back. It sucks. But the owners haven't even notified the FCC that they are dark.
(Ever heard of a long wire to an LPB with STA?) Look for WDJS 1430 to open up the northern lobe to Goldsboro really soon.
VOT is history.

AT LEAST WLLY 1350 is not threatened. But that ain't saying a lot.
 
Well thin if the Bishop's daughter, aka celestine Willis dose decide to sell WGTM ::), wonder if she will sell it cheap? But somebody from out of town would have to kicking some big bucks just to upgrade WGTM 4 towers.
 
What is going on with broadcasters in Wilson?, could WGTM be the next to go
dark?, then WLLY, and WUBN?.
I don't want anyone to take this personally, but with these three stations owned
by various christian ministries, they should have followed the biblical principle
of being good stewards with their money, if you don't apply this, hardships can
follow.
 
They can still be a good steward if they used the money for a radio station ministry, because that's outreach to the community. Even if they don't make a profit [nothing a church does for outreach really does], it could still be good stewardship, but I see what you're saying....
 
Wow, that is pretty dismal, and all quite true. As a guy that lives here, I have seen all 4 stations, and it really does not surprise me that it comes to this. But what I have heard is that WVOT was supposed to be going back on the air early January. My colleage contacted them about possibly helping them get back on the air, and MK Smith (owner) told him that they should be back on the air early January. I get a call from my colleague from Indiana, and he askes me if they were on the air. I checked...nothing. So he said he would get back in touch with him.

Weeks later he calls me and tells me MK Smith told him that they should be back on the air in a few days, because he said they needed an engineer to put a crystal back in or something (sorry, I don't know the technical aspects of transmitting). In either case, he told my colleague that they SHOULD be back on the air in a few days. I checked today...still silence.

I agree with you guys about the irony here, that four stations in Wilson, all religious in programming, all operating far below what they should be. I still think WLLY is not far from these troubles, and it is a shame that the owner is paying the co-managers minimum wage, no benefits, no holidays for them keeping that station going. I remember helping them a couple of years ago when NC made the minimum wage change, and one of the co managers was concerned that the owner had not increased their wage in a couple of weeks. Even though he lives in DC (or thereabouts), he had an obligation to pay them the fair wage. But it took weeks before he changed their pay, and I am not sure they got compensated for lost wages.

I do not believe, having said all that, that it is hopeless for any of those 4 stations, but I think WVOT, WGMT and WUBN and even WLLY must take a real look at themselves and try to look for qualified staff, rather than cheap staff. I would hate to see any of these four fall, but from what I am hearing, there could be a domino effect about to happen.
 
You know guys, I am kinda concerned about this, being a person that worked with or for half of those stations. The other day I told my professor about WGTM, and he decided to give the owner a call to see if maybe we could do something to help. We can't help on her forclosure but we thought if we could get in there and help do some REAL radio stuff, maybe we could help turn it around. I did the same thing for WLLY after Wallace Bullock passed away, and though it wasn't much, we at least kept it from going under.

I gave my professor (living at the moment in Indiana) the phone number and he call them... about a half hour later he calls me back asking me who was on the air. I didn't know, at about 2pm or so. He tells me that whoever it was on the air refused to even give her name, nor tell anyone if the owner (Celestine Willis or whomever) could even be reached. It's odd because he asked her if he could speak to the owner, to which she said, "I am WGTM"

???

He tried to ask her again if he could speak to either the owner or Celestine Willis, and the lady on the other end absolutely dodged every angle to either reveal that she was that person, or if that person was even in the station. She told him that she was "WGTM" and asked what his business was. He didn't want to tell her, because he didn't know of whom he was talking to. After a few minutes of this dance, they got nothing resolved and he asked me for a land address so he can write a letter.

It sounds like maybe Willis is going through a lot of stress, and I do feel sorry for her. Whether these stations run it into the ground or not, I hate to see any station fail. It sounds like she had been getting too many creditor calls. I guess it may look grim for WGTM.

As for WVOT, I was told that they were looking to get an engineer to put the crystal in the tower, and they told my professor that they would be on the air in a few days...but that was a few days ago. And the idea that they did not inform the FCC of this problem could be a bad thing to ignore. I wonder if MK has been just telling guys what they wanted to hear. It's almost like he does not know that people who KNOW radio can tell if he is telling the truth or not. He told my colleague that they would be back on the air in early January...that didn't happen. I think he said in the newspaper article that they would be back on very soon,but months have passed. I don't know what to expect from them now.

I don't know so much about WUBN, but we had a chance to work with them with sports, but I was never happy with how he ran his spots...it just bordered on questionable to me, and I could not deal with that. It just seemed like the station was an extension of his business, which also included his church, the recording studio and now a religious supply store. One man can't run all that and still minister to the congregation, just too much to do. I fear for that station too, even though he said he wanted the station to reach out near Raleigh, how can you do that if you are LPFM?

And as mentioned on WLLY, I worry how long they have. We tried to help them do some new things but because the two co managers was never taught anything by the late Mr. Bullock, they were stuck in their ways and afraid of losing their jobs to people that were more qualified. I can't blame them for that, but in doing that, they refused some simple ways to help the station grow. Time will tell how it goes, but deep inside, I am pulling for all four.
 
We didn't realize it at the time, but WGTM went into a coma on the day the Campbells turned the keys over to the Willis crowd. It's now just a matter of time before it flatlines. WVOT took a dive after the beach format washed out. The subsequent owners either didn't know or didn't care that the old girl was taking on water. Who could have guessed that "Little Willy" might end up being the last soldier standing?

A lot of things can be blamed for this. Incompetent management and / or under-capitalized ownership, the general decline of AM radio, the 80/90 docket, poisoning of the well by the local newspaper, pick your fave excuse. Wilsonians seem to have an inferiority complex about their own city. They tend to shop out of town, eat out of town, and listen to out of town radio. They look to Raleigh as Mecca.

I was talking with a female client yesterday, an educated woman in her 40's, and the subject of radio stations came up. Amazingly, she did not know that Wilson still had any local radio stations. :eek:

Wilson is a fine little city with some wonderful, hard-working folks. But it just ain't a radio town. Even the local ham radio club is struggling. I think the situation could be turned around (in theory), but it's doubtful anyone with the $$$ and the vision will swoop in and save the day. Even Curtis Media avoids Wilson, and they'll buy just about anything. No FM, no deal.

Sportsword, I feel your pain. Several months ago I produced and mailed some imaging liners & ID's to WLLY for FREE, simply because I felt sorry for them. I included a nice letter with the CD, explaining my sincere motives. They were under no obligation one way or the other. If they didn't want to use my stuff, no problem. I never even received a rejection letter. No call, no nothing. That level of professionalism is the root of the problem.

Don
 
The answer to radio's decline is simple ( listen up Bill ) with only a very few exceptions; the owner of a radio station should not actively control the day-to-day operations. You're seeing this on a mass scale now that the ClearChannels of the world have begun micromanaging....choas
 
Well said Mark, and I agree. When I worked at WVOT, I remember you being there and doing a great job. The personnel they had then was far better than all four current Wilson stations combined, because the people had a role, and were qualified for it.

When I was at Western Carolina University, our student-run station consisted of many different positions, from Station Manager, Program Director, Music Director, Member at Large, News Director, Sports Director and other positions. I thought that was the best way to run a station, but after I graduated I saw that for many smaller stations, this was not possible because you can't pay that many people to do those jobs. In many cases people would have to multi-task.

But as you said Mark, the problem with local radio is that the owner/manager tries to do the things they are not qualified to do, OR they try to hire people with no experience to do the job, because it pays less. I have seen this with WLLY because the owner is VERY wealthy, yet pays the two co-managers minimum wage, no vacations, no holidays, no benefits. The fact that they don't even work 8 full hours a day (usually about 6) means that combined they might be making about 30K a year.

Sometimes I wonder if the FCC rule that eliminated the license for on air personnel was a mistake, because it opened the flood gates for local owners to turn from professionalism to cheap labor.
 
Mark Miller said:
The answer to radio's decline is simple ( listen up Bill ) with only a very few exceptions; the owner of a radio station should not actively control the day-to-day operations. You're seeing this on a mass scale now that the ClearChannels of the world have begun micromanaging....choas

Hey, Mark... are you THE Mark Miller who did morning drive on 'VOT after the move to Jackson St? THE Mark Miller who introduced me to Maurice's Piggy Park BBQ Sauce? If not, never mind. ;D
 
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