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What about WGR?

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mike704

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Hey, I loved KB growing up. After moving to Florida we made visits back and in the '70's I think WGR would have been my favorite. Stan Roberts, Larry Andersen, Shane, John Otto...what a line up!

I find it amazing that Buffalo has been the home to such great radio talent. Some like Danny never left. Others like Ton Shannon and Stan Roberts came back home.

All this in a town that always gets an undeserved bad weather rap!

Is it the wings or what?
 
> Hey, I loved KB growing up. After moving to Florida we made
> visits back and in the '70's I think WGR would have been my
> favorite. Stan Roberts, Larry Andersen, Shane, John
> Otto...what a line up!

I've said it before here. In the late 70s to mid-80s, WGR was a better station then KB. Although musically 'GR was "wimpier" and more female-oriented, they had more consistent personalities and a better balance of music and services. Plus they had the Sabres, which they were somehow able to integrate seamlessly into the other elements of the station.

Other names: Chuck Lakefield (who also did nights at KB), Tom Bauerle in his first incarnation, "The Duke" Don Dussias (one of the giants), George Hamberger.
 
> I've said it before here. In the late 70s to mid-80s, WGR
> was a better station then KB. Although musically 'GR was
> "wimpier" and more female-oriented, they had more consistent
> personalities and a better balance of music and services.
> Plus they had the Sabres, which they were somehow able to
> integrate seamlessly into the other elements of the station.

Let's remember KB's lineup in the fall of 1977; Danny Neaverth, Jon Summers, George Hamberger, Jay Fredericks, Bev Burke, and weekenders Hank Nevins, Ron Arlen and Chuck McCoy, plus a news department as good as any in the state outside NYC. IIRC it drew a 14.8 in the fall 1977 Arbitrons, vs. WBEN's 13 and WGR's 12. Buffalo spoke, and KB came out the winner.

A year later it was a very different story, of course. By then WBEN had totally remade itself as a younger-skewing full service AC with a fresh infusion of on-air talent, built a 14 share around domination of the 25-49 demo cells, and took over the Arbitron lead, not to relinquish it for almost another 20 years. But fall 1977 and spring 1978 was KB's Indian Summer. The big 1520 enjoyed one final round of market leadership in which the personalities and music came together to take it to the top, before FM competition for all the 12-34 music listeners KB had once commanded, started getting really intense.

WGR was a very good station all during that time from 1976 to the late 1980s when music more or less left the AM band (or at least left the biggest signals in the western NY region). It was a model for a lot of the pioneer AC stations from Syracuse to Cleveland and beyond. But it never was able to take the leadership of the Buffalo market.

When KB fell to FM competition, it was WBEN that took command of the adult listenership in the Buffalo region. Why? Possibly the personality lineup 'BEN built in 1978 and kept intact for almost a decade (Jeff Kaye, Bill Lacy, Kevin O'Connell, Jack Mindy, Stan Barron, and after Stan's untimely passing, John Murphy), combined with arguably the strongest and largest radio news staff upstate NY commercial radio would ever see gathered in one place. Maybe it was WBEN's better 24/7 signal pattern (KB was the only other AM in the market that really gave substantially full market coverage around the clock), or more effective marketing. Maybe it was bright and astute management that knew how to make the most of all its advantages. Most likely it was all of those things. Whatever the combination of factors, WBEN became a habit that a lot of listeners born between about 1930 and 1960 acquired during the late 1970s and 1980s, and have yet to break.
 
> When KB fell to FM competition, it was WBEN that took
> command of the adult listenership in the Buffalo region.
> Why? Possibly the personality lineup 'BEN built in 1978 and
> kept intact for almost a decade (Jeff Kaye, Bill Lacy, Kevin
> O'Connell, Jack Mindy, Stan Barron, and after Stan's
> untimely passing, John Murphy), combined with arguably the
> strongest and largest radio news staff upstate NY commercial
> radio would ever see gathered in one place. Maybe it was
> WBEN's better 24/7 signal pattern (KB was the only other AM
> in the market that really gave substantially full market
> coverage around the clock), or more effective marketing.
> Maybe it was bright and astute management that knew how to
> make the most of all its advantages. Most likely it was all
> of those things. Whatever the combination of factors, WBEN
> became a habit that a lot of listeners born between about
> 1930 and 1960 acquired during the late 1970s and 1980s, and
> have yet to break.


==> I used to love the opening of WBEN's news at the top of the hour..
"And now, news from western ny's radio news leader... WBEN-Buffalo" (with the muscial theme of the beginning of Close Encounters of the Third Kind)
I used to think that was/is so cool. They timed it just right! I always wondered how they came up with that kind of opening for a newscast.
 
Bob,

I agree with everything in your post. I thought about WBEN when I wrote about WGR actually. Here is a question for everyone. Is there another market that had 3 great AM radio stations like Buffalo? Most cities are lucky if they have one!

These three stations held on to their audience in the face of FM radio much longer than anywhere else in the country.

Buffalo is one amazing radio town!

MikeM
 
> ==> I used to love the opening of WBEN's news at the top of
> the hour..
> "And now, news from western ny's radio news leader...
> WBEN-Buffalo" (with the muscial theme of the beginning of
> Close Encounters of the Third Kind)
> I used to think that was/is so cool. They timed it just
> right! I always wondered how they came up with that kind of
> opening for a newscast.

I don't know about the opening but I do know there used to be a system that recorded the CBS news on the hour and delayed it by a minute or two so that the WBEN news room could do the top local stories before going to network. That kind of attention to detail is so lacking in radio today.

I rather liked back when the ID said "You're tuned to the Buffalo Evening News stations WBEN Buffalo and WBEN-FM Buffalo". Oops showing my age!

The first time I heard an FM radio it was a portable that my friend's father received as a gift. I think he listened to WBEN-FM which if I remember correctly ran a classical music format. This was way before Rock 102. At the time I also remember WYSL-FM came on for a few hours each night playing top 40.

MikeM
 
> ==> I used to love the opening of WBEN's news at the top of
> the hour..
> "And now, news from western ny's radio news leader...
> WBEN-Buffalo" (with the muscial theme of the beginning of
> Close Encounters of the Third Kind)
> I used to think that was/is so cool. They timed it just
> right! I always wondered how they came up with that kind of
> opening for a newscast.
>
That one was conceived by WBEN's then-PD Bob Wood and then-production director Mike Jetter. Jeff Kaye was the voice.
Speaking from the perspective of someone who worked with it, it was a cool intro to begin a newscast with.
 
> >
> The first time I heard an FM radio it was a portable that my
> friend's father received as a gift. I think he listened to
> WBEN-FM which if I remember correctly ran a classical music
> format. This was way before Rock 102. At the time I also
> remember WYSL-FM came on for a few hours each night playing
> top 40.
>
> MikeM
>

WYSL- FM at 103.3 was Buffalo's first 24/7 FM Top 40 station.
Starting in the spring of 1966. It had the "Teen Disk Jockeys" on the air
from 7am-7pm and then simulcasted WYSL 1400 until 7am...........

Personalites such as Keven O'Connell, Jim Pastrick, Tom Donahue and Tim Kelly
"graduated" from WYSL-FM
 
>
The thing I liked about WGR (and set them apart from the others) was "news...five minutes sooner...on W-G-R".

I can remember Frank Benny telling me (off the air, and with a few drinks under his belt) that changing the news to the top of the hour in the early 80's was the worst mistake the station could make.

They had cool TM jingles too (remember the ethnic sings?)
 
> >
> The thing I liked about WGR (and set them apart from the
> others) was "news...five minutes sooner...on W-G-R".
>
> I can remember Frank Benny telling me (off the air, and with
> a few drinks under his belt) that changing the news to the
> top of the hour in the early 80's was the worst mistake the
> station could make.
>
> They had cool TM jingles too (remember the ethnic sings?)
>

Funny how news on a music station, back then, was not only a public service but a competitive advantage :)
 
> > >
> > The first time I heard an FM radio it was a portable that
> my
> > friend's father received as a gift. I think he listened
> to
> > WBEN-FM which if I remember correctly ran a classical
> music
> > format. This was way before Rock 102. At the time I also
>
> > remember WYSL-FM came on for a few hours each night
> playing
> > top 40.
> >
> > MikeM
> >
>
> WYSL- FM at 103.3 was Buffalo's first 24/7 FM Top 40
> station.
> Starting in the spring of 1966. It had the "Teen Disk
> Jockeys" on the air
> from 7am-7pm and then simulcasted WYSL 1400 until
> 7am...........
>
> Personalites such as Keven O'Connell, Jim Pastrick, Tom
> Donahue and Tim Kelly
> "graduated" from WYSL-FM

Until someone filed a complaint with the Labor Department. Seems that the teen deejays weren't getting paid. The McLendon company had to pay back wages and the station ended up cutting its operating hours dramatically.
>
 
> Until someone filed a complaint with the Labor Department.
> Seems that the teen deejays weren't getting paid. The
> McLendon company had to pay back wages and the station ended
> up cutting its operating hours dramatically.
> >
>
This is absolutely not true................

Well......there may have been a complaint with the Labor Dept.

which resulted in paychecks for all the "teen djs".....

but there was no cut back in hours....not at all....not in the least....

I was there I know.............................
 
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