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What am I missing with NBC.....

NBC overeacts and fires Imus last week.This week NBC decides to air a tape of this Assasin in Virginia. I know I'm getting old but wher'es NBC's logic here. The last thing a victum or a family member of this massacre wants to see is this piece of scum showing off.

God forbid a man with a 40 year carreer in radio says something wrong he's fired...
 
kenwood101 said:
NBC overeacts and fires Imus last week.This week NBC decides to air a tape of this Assasin in Virginia. I know I'm getting old but wher'es NBC's logic here. The last thing a victum or a family member of this massacre wants to see is this piece of scum showing off.

God forbid a man with a 40 year carreer in radio says something wrong he's fired...

No, I think you are right on the mark. It makes no sense, unless you look a little deeper. It's about the bottom line and it always has been. Keeping Imus would have hurt their profits, releasing the massacre video will help their profits. It is a very sad statement about our media and our society.
 
"We got the bubbleheaded bleach-blonde, comes on at 5
She can tell you about the plane crash with a gleam in her eye
It's interesting when people die, give us dirty laundry

Can we film the operation? Is the head dead yet?
You know the boys in the newsroom got a running bet
Get the widow on the set, we need dirty laundry"

--Don Henley


The three last lines were based on Henley's view of the media reaction to Reagan being shot.
 
I'm shocked that they've made this nutjub a martyr by showing his manic ramblings. If I had the ability to do so, I'd call for a nationwide boycott of "No Body Cares."

Bunch of savages running that place if you ask me.
 
kenwood101 said:
NBC overeacts and fires Imus last week.
Congrats! Right off the start you've proven you haven't a clue what you're talking about. And I see you set the tone for the entire thread, reading the similiar responses. ::)

NBC did not "fire" Imus. CBS Radio employed Imus -- NOT NBC. They simply carried his radio show on MSNBC and they discontinued to do so last week a day before CBS Radio showed him the door.

This week NBC decides to air a tape of this Assasin in Virginia. I know I'm getting old but wher'es NBC's logic here. The last thing a victum or a family member of this massacre wants to see is this piece of scum showing off.
There's alot of logic here. But, reading the responses, it's clear not one person who's responded has any news experience whatsoever. They are news. While I am torn as to airing the videos, I understand why they are being aired.

Did we forget so quickly that one of the big questions was what he was doing for 2 hours between when he shot the 2 people in the dorm, then went over to the Engineering building and opened fire there? Now, we know -- and it helps fill a major gap in the timeline. The "multi-media" package also gives further depth into exactly what type of a freak this psycho was. I don't see NBC or any of the other networks making a "martyr" of this nutjob.
 
While it's true that friends and kin of those killed or wounded by this madman would find it painful to view the video that news outlets have been running, does not it also show that this was a highly troubled person that showed no regard for human life?
 
network said:
kenwood101 said:
NBC overeacts and fires Imus last week.
Congrats! Right off the start you've proven you haven't a clue what you're talking about. And I see you set the tone for the entire thread, reading the similiar responses. ::)

NBC did not "fire" Imus. CBS Radio employed Imus -- NOT NBC. They simply carried his radio show on MSNBC and they discontinued to do so last week a day before CBS Radio showed him the door.

You shouldn't be so quick to show us how smart you are! :D

For one thing, I'm sure that Imus was compensated for his MSNBC simulcast. When NBC (who basically runs MSNBC) elected to cancel his show - then they indeed fired him from that gig. Remember that 2 to 3 times more people watched him on MSNBC as actually listened to his radio show. So, yeah, he was fired by NBC.

Secondly, they indirectly forced CBS Radio's hand - which lead to his firing from his radio show as well. In last week's environment, NBC's firing of Imus would make CBS look bad if they didn't follow suit. The whole thing was an overreaction - based on comments that were (though stupid) taken out of context.

As for NBC's airing of this VT nutjob's rantings, it was wrong to do so at this time. Most of the victims bodies haven't even been released to their families yet! Way too soon to do this (if there was ever a good time). What's worse, the media's handling of the video has other nutjobs all over the USA sharpening knives, buying video equipment, and stocking up on ammo and tactical vests. They're making this creep look good! They have managed to give his insanity a worldwide platform. So, the crazy Korean guy got EXACTLY what he wanted. Nice job NBC.

NBC (and others) have clearly acted irresponsibly. Then again, long gone are the days when the public good was taken into account when debating how a story should be covered. No, the bottom line is the bottom line. And, the viewers are just eating this crap up - like 3 day old mac 'n' cheese at a cheap buffet.
 
The news-cycle looping of the "multimedia manifesto" is way over the top, but I commend NBC for showing what they did, how they did and why they did. It was even from the grave, something that if it had not come out now, would certainly have come out in more sordid ways in the future.

The hypocrisy of it is in watching all networks, some with anchors/reporters seemingly irritated, agitated and, frankly, competitively jealous that it was NBC and not "them" that got the package -- doing what they are.

For instance, CNN -- apologizing all day about how sorry that the videos and pictures are being shown "by NBC" and that the lives and honor of the absolutely unfortunate victims is "just what we're doing" ... and then, voila! Quicktime clips with captions of the murderer and every picture that NBC (and everyone else) is showing,) followed by near tearful reporters saying, "How awful..."

Whyl, then, is CNN (Fox, CBS, NBC, MSNBC et al) still running it ad nauseum in every 22 minute cycle?

With as much mistrust of the main stream media, this is a voyeuristic society hard to please.

Media is under scrutiny every minute and there are distinct battlelines long drawn. On one side, media comes out with "news" without substantiation, confirmation, affirmation and more "to serve the need to know."

Sometimes, the accusation of being a part of the uncompassionate, insensitive, over-analytical "liberal" media of all forms.

Then, people turn the other cheek and without this type of "information" and suddenly, media is nothing but a group of politically manipulated puppets filled with conspirators who secretly hide that which we know but that we don't want you to know.

Imagine NBC's situation: NBC gets package. Post office confirms a hand-delivered package to NBC, at a wrong address not once but three times. (That word would have gotten out in time.) NBC News says, "Now, what do we do?"

Even without the desire to be part of the story NBC figures, "If it gets out that we got this and turned it over immediately to law enforcement, not making any copies (since it was, after all, their property at that point,) then what?

Many people, would think, "What is NBC hiding?" Why didn't they show the people what the package contained? Why did they squelch "the news" in a developing situation so full of questions? "We won't get the story from law enforcement as it really is."

NBC would have been hammered.

On the other hand, the network shows things exactly (they say) as they got it and they still get blasted for exposing "the truth" in a horrific, hurtful, painful, sensationalized way. "They should not have shown it" others say. Who's right?

If this murderer had lived and gone on trial, don't you think this would have been gavel-to-gavel coverage on every network going?

You can bet it would have been.

Many of us, as Jack Nicholson once said, "Can't take the truth!" So, we depend on the blogs, the papers, the online informists, the grapevine, rumor, conjecture, speculation, innuendo and all to formalize the news as "we" want it -- not as it really is.

News, as we know, doesn't work that way.

NBC had no choice and they made the right decision, in this unpopular opinion.

If only media, including NBC, was as honest in its coverage of other "news" without a bias, liberal or otherwise, we'd be more tolerant and trusting of the media.

Amazing, that the very people complaining about the coverage, and rightfully so in its excess, are the same people who didn't exercise their right to turn it off ... and are the one's chattering around the watercooler today about "Did you see that __________ (fill in expletive, here.)

Go figure. It's the "damned if you do - damned if you don't" scenario.
 
CrankyYankee said:
While it's true that friends and kin of those killed or wounded by this madman would find it painful to view the video that news outlets have been running, does not it also show that this was a highly troubled person that showed no regard for human life?

Frankly, I didn't need a video tape to show me how troubled this young man was, there was plenty of blood and tears spilled to demonstrate that.... These folks don't give a rat's patoot about the the STORY, they just want the GET -- otherwise, why would a local tv station in Memphis, Tennessee (???) send two reporters to "cover" the story and interview survivors and family? I think I need more duct tape, my brains are seeping out of my ears.... :'(
 
oaktree said:
CNN -- apologizing all day about how sorry that the videos and pictures are being shown "by NBC" and that the lives and honor of the absolutely unfortunate victims is "just what we're doing" ... and then, voila! Quicktime clips with captions of the murderer and every picture that NBC (and everyone else) is showing,) followed by near tearful reporters saying, "How awful..."

Whyl, then, is CNN (Fox, CBS, NBC, MSNBC et al) still running it ad nauseum in every 22 minute cycle?

With as much mistrust of the main stream media, this is a voyeuristic society hard to please.

And of course, what was on TV tonight is often in the papers by sun-up -- many newspapers had the f***er's distribe on the front page -- one of my local newspapers, the St. Petersburg Times, even had a large picture of Cho in his armed pose -- above the fold and, of course, "in living color".

Of course, it's news NOW, but personally, the sicko wants his image enshrined in the minds of every American for time immemorial.

He's got what he wanted. Too bad neither he nor his soul are alive to enjoy it.
 
For those upset with TV or talk radio doing endless coverage of VT etc.:
They wouldn't do it if it didn't get eyes to the screen and ears to the
radio--huge ratings.

CNN's Nancy Grace seems to cover Anna Nicole every night but if her ratings plummeted, she'd stop.
 
oaktree said:
Amazing, that the very people complaining about the coverage, and rightfully so in its excess, are the same people who didn't exercise their right to turn it off ... and are the one's chattering around the watercooler today about "Did you see that __________ (fill in expletive, here.)

Go figure. It's the "damned if you do - damned if you don't" scenario.

I agree with you 100% here.

It goes back to that quote from George Carlin about changing the knobs on the radio... :eek:
 
BRNout said:
You shouldn't be so quick to show us how smart you are! :D

For one thing, I'm sure that Imus was compensated for his MSNBC simulcast. When NBC (who basically runs MSNBC) elected to cancel his show - then they indeed fired him from that gig. Remember that 2 to 3 times more people watched him on MSNBC as actually listened to his radio show. So, yeah, he was fired by NBC.
Look at it however YOU want to make yourself feel like you weren't proven wrong. But you were. The gig would have continued, which it did for one day, on CBS radio. If it were in NBC's hands, his show would not have continued on CBS the next day. Learn how this crap works, will ya. ::)

Secondly, they indirectly forced CBS Radio's hand - which lead to his firing from his radio show as well. In last week's environment, NBC's firing of Imus would make CBS look bad if they didn't follow suit. The whole thing was an overreaction - based on comments that were (though stupid) taken out of context.
They did not "indirectly" force anything. The advertisers pulling out was the factor. Plain and simple. Not MSNBC. Gimme a break.

As for NBC's airing of this VT nutjob's rantings, it was wrong to do so at this time. Most of the victims bodies haven't even been released to their families yet! Way too soon to do this (if there was ever a good time). What's worse, the media's handling of the video has other nutjobs all over the USA sharpening knives, buying video equipment, and stocking up on ammo and tactical vests. They're making this creep look good! They have managed to give his insanity a worldwide platform. So, the crazy Korean guy got EXACTLY what he wanted. Nice job NBC.

NBC (and others) have clearly acted irresponsibly.
No, they did not. But that is your opinion. ALL of the networks, IMO, were irresponsible to loop all of these pictures and run it incessantly. But showing the pictures was not irresponsible. Decisions like the ones NBC made are extremely difficult because they KNOW that it will not make people happy.

Then again, long gone are the days when the public good was taken into account when debating how a story should be covered. No, the bottom line is the bottom line. And, the viewers are just eating this crap up - like 3 day old mac 'n' cheese at a cheap buffet.
I could not agree with you more on this one!!!
 
network said:
Look at it however YOU want to make yourself feel like you weren't proven wrong. But you were. The gig would have continued, which it did for one day, on CBS radio. If it were in NBC's hands, his show would not have continued on CBS the next day. Learn how this crap works, will ya. ::)

I know very well how it works. In simplest terms, MSNBC fired him. They exercized their contractual option to terminate his show. Is that precise enough? Although NBC publicly says it was staff reaction, advertiser pushback almost certaily played a bigger role.

network said:
They did not "indirectly" force anything. The advertisers pulling out was the factor. Plain and simple. Not MSNBC. Gimme a break.

They did - because once NBC cut Imus loose, CBS stood alone in the firestorm. Which was super bad for PR and moved the focus to them. This, in turn, accelerated the whole process. Yes, the pulling of ads contributed - but CBS could have (and would have) weathered that storm had this thing not gotten so out of control.

NBC contributed to Imus' eventual loss of his radio gig because they made CBS look 'insensitive' to the minority community for allowing the show to continue.

All in all, it was horrible luck for Imus because it happened on such a slow news week. Had the comments come to light one week later, nothing would have happened to him. Agreed?
 
Saying NBC "fired" Imus is like saying a station that drops (and thus no longer pays for) Wheel of Fortune has fired Pat Sajak. NBC stopped running a simulcast; he wasn't their direct employee and thus wasn't fired.

As to whether NBC's decision put pressure on CBS, that's not NBC's problem. They had a decision to make, as did CBS. It wasn't NBC's responsibility to circle the wagons with CBS to make sure CBS didn't face a PR problem.

Regarding the Cho video, NBC was in the most classic of "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenarios. By running sections of the tape and certain images (it has clearly been stated they did not run the entire tape), they're labeled insensitive. However, had they held the tape, it is hardly a stretch to guess there would have been accustions of being politically correct by protecting Cho because he was of foreign descent.

One of Philadelphia's radio hosts has opined many times that the networks should run the footage from 9/11 over and over again each year, lambasting those who object to seeing it. While I seldom agree with anything else he says, I agree with him on that point. Those who don't wish to see it have the power of the "off" button at their disposal. But for the rest of us, I think it's important to see that footage, as well as reminders of the Oklahoma City bombers, Unabomber, Columbine shooters and now the Virginia Tech shooter to show that the mental illness that drives people to these acts knows no race, it knows no geographic boundaries, it knows no age limit or socioeconomic status. The vast majority won't snap, but for evey Cho, every Dylan, every Timothy, there are too many other people close to the edge, and we would all do well to think beyond the simplistic characterizations we instinctively apply to them and dive deeper into the triggers that set them off.
 
imhomerjay said:
By running sections of the tape and certain images (it has clearly been stated they did not run the entire tape), they're labeled insensitive.

They didn't run the whole thing unedited?

Omigod!!! That's censorship!
 
I think NBC did the right thing by giving the tape to the authorities, but I think they rush into judgement in airing the tape on their newscast. I think they should have waited to air them because it is was bad timing (during the same week of the VT massacre). Although I am not a viewer of NBC News anymore, I think the President of NBC News mentioned that airing the tape was important because viewers wanted to know what was the killer thinking about (or what was going through his mind before commiting this senseless act?) I believe that the President of NBC News has an important point, but you have to think the families of the victims first!

Even before this NBC News issue, I have turned to "ABC World News with Charles Gibson." Gibson is a better and experienced anchor than Brian Williams. I think ABC News is the best news division on broadcast television and I don't think they don't get the credit they deserve. I sorry to change the subject, but this is my opinion!
 
sctvman said:
I believe that the President of NBC News has an important point, but you have to think the families of the victims first!

I would think that by the time that NBC News aired the videotapes, the families would have stopped watching the news, unless they had been interviewed and wanted to see themselves on TV. During the week following my mother's death, television was the last thing on my family's mind; there were far too many things to take care of, too many plans to make, too many things to coordinate. I would imagine that this would be especially true for families who were from out-of-state.
 
We love reality shows. We love hearing the "dasterdly" things that the reality show players are saying about other players. You simply can't satisfy our evil desires!

That being said, I believe that NBC had a responsibility to give us a glimpse at this maniac's mindset. While it would have been irresponsible to play the WHOLE thing, it certainly helps us to heal if we see how mentally disturbed this maniac truly was. It also helps us possibly to prevent this in the future. Teachers, classmates, and friends: Speak up if you hear something truly disturbing/threatening from anyone.
 
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