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cd637299 said:
UGH! I feel for you. When I lived in Miami I used to tune in to WFLX FOX 29 out of West Palm Beach (off of the antenna) just to avoid watching WSVN and its Channel 7 Newsplex...
cd637299 said:
WTVT is actually a good FOX station. I would never compare the dreck from WSVN to any FOX O&O or affiliate station.
TexasTom said:
KPTV has been about as strong for as long as they've been airing "Perry Mason" reruns - which they still do, to this day!
JayR said:cd637299 said:
UGH! I feel for you. When I lived in Miami I used to tune in to WFLX FOX 29 out of West Palm Beach (off of the antenna) just to avoid watching WSVN and its Channel 7 Newsplex...
cd637299 said:
WTVT is actually a good FOX station. I would never compare the dreck from WSVN to any FOX O&O or affiliate station.
You might hate WSVN, but FOX used their news-oriented approach to force practically all their affiliates at a minimum to bring a news product into their line-up. WSVN was the benchmark for most news-oriented FOX O&Os & affiliates.
For that matter, WJW was the market's dominant station as a CBS affiliate, for decades....but there was some question whether they'd remain so under Fox.
Since switching from ABC to Fox a dozen or so years ago, WVUE in New Orleans has been very strong these last few years; prior to that, they were dead last behind WWL and WDSU in the ratings (especially during the mid to late '70s when ABC was the dominant network)!
But they have something the other two stations are already lacking: LOCAL NEWS IN HD!!!!!
But they have something the other two stations are already lacking: LOCAL NEWS IN HD!!!!!
kilamanjero said:
That would be an excellent point, were it true. Trouble of it is that Ed Ansin (owner of WSVN and sister WHDH in Boston) started doing the tabloid-style newscasts on both channels before FOX News was even around and before WSVN affiliated with FOX. It has worked for them for a long time.
One OT thing about Sunbeam Broadcasting (Ansin's company): because both channels are "7", they have long been able to share logos, graphics and even studio visuals. Watching one is almost like watching the other. Even more similar than the various ABC-7's and CBS-2's in top markets. Ansin is able to get some economies of scale that way, I suppose. It's an interesting thing to see.
BRNout said:
I'm not talking even about "tabloid-style" newscasts of FOX News (which I'm well aware of being something WSVN has been doing since the early 80s, "If it bleeds, it leads" as the unofficial slogan of the station).
I'm saying that FOX used the fact that WSVN, which had a full-fledged, competitive news operation and became an affiliate of their network, as benchmark for their other affiliates to broadcast some type of newscast(s) and compete with better established news operations for the other "big 4" affiliates in their individual markets. It also lead to FOX wanting to affiliate (and later acquire) news-intensive, better established VHF stations like the former New World-owned stations when they won the NFL broadcasting rights.
It's always been a puzzlement to me that the stations
Fox acquired from New World (all formerly with one of
the Big Three and many, like WAGA, WBRC, WJBK, WDAF,
WJW, and KDFW) being old-line stations, did not demand
a national newscast at 6:30 or 7 (ET). I remember some
fears out of Atlanta that WAGA would lose some of its
prestige without a network newscast, and I'm sure the same
fears were voiced in other cities. But I wonder, even if
Rupert Murdoch believed that the 6:30 network news was
still a viable entity (which he doesn't), if he could entice
Fox's stations to give up lucrative syndicated programs or
local news.
Here in the Triad, WGHP has been running a series of promos
with various people who appear on Fox or syndicated shows carried
by the station, touting FOX8 as the highest-rated Fox affiliate in
the country. I don't know if that means news (I don't think so; it's
pretty close competition with WFMY and WXII) or its overall schedule's
ratings. (One thing's for sure: ABC has no chance of ever getting WGHP
to return to the fold; if it wants to get off UHF WXLV it had better pray
that Comcast takes NBC all-cable and WXII is then in play, and I'm not
putting any money on that either.)
Fox acquired from New World (all formerly with one of
the Big Three and many, like WAGA, WBRC, WJBK, WDAF,
WJW, and KDFW) being old-line stations, did not demand
a national newscast at 6:30 or 7 (ET). I remember some
fears out of Atlanta that WAGA would lose some of its
prestige without a network newscast, and I'm sure the same
fears were voiced in other cities. But I wonder, even if
Rupert Murdoch believed that the 6:30 network news was
still a viable entity (which he doesn't), if he could entice
Fox's stations to give up lucrative syndicated programs or
local news.
Here in the Triad, WGHP has been running a series of promos
with various people who appear on Fox or syndicated shows carried
by the station, touting FOX8 as the highest-rated Fox affiliate in
the country. I don't know if that means news (I don't think so; it's
pretty close competition with WFMY and WXII) or its overall schedule's
ratings. (One thing's for sure: ABC has no chance of ever getting WGHP
to return to the fold; if it wants to get off UHF WXLV it had better pray
that Comcast takes NBC all-cable and WXII is then in play, and I'm not
putting any money on that either.)
bpatrick said:
Well, to my knowledge a number of those former New World stations enjoy the ability to cume major revenue for themselves @ 6:30P (Eastern) and 5:30P (Central) time slots with a locally produced national stories oriented newscast. It also allowed them to (for the time being) to go back to a more local brand. However, we know over time FOX forced all of them to go to a more network-oriented branding of "FOX #" or "[call letters], FOX #". The thing is locally produced programming allow them to major revenue that they don't have to share with their network.
In the case of WGHP, I believe it is the highest rated across the board affiliate at the moment for FOX. Newscast ratings, I believe they are still fighting with longtime NBC affiliate WGAL in Harrisburg/Lancaster/York market for #1 nationwide across the board. I find it interesting that Local TV, didn't try to used the FOX O&O Tardis look on WGHP like they did KTVI & KDVR when they did the HD upgrade.
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