What belongs on the Philadelphia board?

[radioskeptic]

After Julius May posted info about some personnel changes at WJBR/Wilmington, Shawn O'Domski posted the following:

"Please move this thread to the Delaware board. WJBR is a Delaware station. It's not a Philadelphia station. Let's stay on track here, by posting messages on the correct board. Thanks."

By what criterion does this NOT belong on the Philadelphia board?

When Beasley bought the station, they made no bones about wanting to make it a de facto Philly station. The transmitter site is right on the PA-DE border, and its 60 dBu contour (according to radio-locator.com) encompasses almost everything within the metro that is also within the 60 dBu of Class A WRNB, which is licensed to Pennsauken, NJ (though the stick is in Philly). And besides, as a class B, WJBR is protected to its 54 dBu, not just to its 60dBu.

And while Greater Media's recently acquired WTHK is moving its stick from Trenton to Philly (and is a Class B), it will still be licensed to Burlington City, New Jersey.

Beasley will make their new acquisition, with its license allotted to Delaware, no less a part of the Philladelphia market than those Radio One and Greater Media outlets that are licensed as New Jersey stations. So what's the deciding factor?

 

[BRNout]

WJBR impacts listening in the Philly market, is clearly heard here, and is appropriate on this board - IMO. In my view, there was nothing wrong with Julius' post about this station - the acquisition has been the subject of a lot of speculation in the market.

Hey, we've had postings here about Kiss 101.7, a station based further downstate in DE (and much harder to hear in PA) than WJBR and no one complained.

 

[odomski]

There is a Delaware board, for discussion of Delaware stations. WJBR is a Delaware station. It's not in Philadelphia. Therefore, WJBR discussion belongs on the Delaware board. I don't give a damn about how handicapped Julius claims to be. The rules are made to be followed. Period.

 

[Beejus]

There is a Delaware board, for discussion of Delaware stations. WJBR is a Delaware station. It's not in Philadelphia. Therefore, WJBR discussion belongs on the Delaware board.

So we're not allowed to talk about:

WPST- Trenton
WTHK/WJJZ- Burlington
WRNB- Pennsauken

They're all liscenced to NJ.... but wait.... all of their towers are (or will be) in Pennsylvania! So do they go in the Philly Board or the NJ board?

WPST's tower is in Bucks County, and WTHK/WJJZ's will be in Montgomery County... so I guess they're not "Philadelphia" stations... so are they banned to the "Pennsylvania" board?

Calm down Shawn. WJBR covers Philly as much as Wilmington. Just because it doesn't make a huge splash and it's COL is across the state line doesn't mean it can't be talked about on the Philly board.

 

[Rick_E]

The Philadelphia board is listed as follows:

Philadelphia
For discussion of radio in Philadelphia, Trenton and Wilmington.


So YES....WJBR belongs here...it is in Wilmington.


Mr. O'Domski's obsession with slamming Julius is very very tiresome. (especially the What do You Think? responses) It ruins the thread and takes it in an ugly direction....just like this one..especially when Julius is in the right here.

 

[BRNout]

There is a Delaware board, for discussion of Delaware stations. WJBR is a Delaware station. It's not in Philadelphia. Therefore, WJBR discussion belongs on the Delaware board. I don't give a damn about how handicapped Julius claims to be. The rules are made to be followed. Period.

Geez Shawn, by that reckoning we can't talk about WRNB either because it's licensed to Pennsauken, NJ. WHYY, Phillys PBS station, is a Delaware station - so we can't discuss it on the Philly TV board? Come on!

Look, I live in the western burbs (not far west either) and WJBR comes in as a local. So it's fair game. So is WPST and, frankly, WKXW. All come in well enough within the market to be worthy of discussion when it's appropriate. And, the Beasley acquisition of WJBR is an appropriate topic. They could easily move it into Philly as a rimshot (not that they will).

I'm amazed that we even have to debate this one....

 

[radioskeptic]

Thank you, Shawn, for confirming my suspicions with the following statement:

“I don't give a damn about how handicapped Julius claims to be. The rules are made to be followed. Period.”

[EDIT]

Thanks to BRNout, Beejus and Rick_E for jumping on this one.

But an aside to BRNout: Speaking of Beasley and WJBR, you said, “They could easily move it into Philly as a rimshot (not that they will).”

I beg to differ. There’s not a snowball’s chance in the nether world that they will. WJBR and WBAI in New York are co-channel stations, and they’re already short of the distance requirement for co-channel Class B’s on the FCC’s short-space table (47 CFR 73.215).
[EDIT--personal attack.]

 

[odomski]

Since we have to talk about Delaware stations on this board now (as we used to on the old Radio-Info), then perhaps the Delaware board shouldn't be used at all. We should be discussing WJBR, WILM, WSTW, and WDEL (just to name a few) on this forum...since those stations can be heard within the City of Philadelphia. Yes, WILM can be heard clearly in South Philadelphia during the day (around the stadiums and arenas, for example). I still feel this is just another reason to let Julius run amok...and he has the same people defending him left and right...but whatever. I agree to disagree. Let the radio discussion roll on.

I didn't attack anyone. Julius is always complaining about people getting off topic and posting messages on the proper boards, and wanting threads removed because people disagree with him (he claims people who disagree with him are going off topic). I am doing the same thing he gets away with day in and day out. If he can do it, I can do it. I still do not and will not believe Julius is mentally handicapped, considering he can multi-task the way he does...and that's been proven that he multi-tasks very well without difficulty. Your claims that I'm a racist are dumbfounded and borderline slander. I'm not a racist, I'm just sick and tired of proven morons. The moderators have created rules that need to be followed by all of us. Julius isn't immune to following the rules, but I'm beginning to feel different about that.

As far as the WJBR staffing changes go, I don't have any issues with those changes. Why should I? I'm sure Mr. West will do a fine job at the station. I've never heard his work, but he must do a good job if he was hired. Mr. Lewis has been with the station for several years, and I have always enjoyed his on-air work. Good luck to Mr. West and Mr. Lewis in their new roles at the station.

 

[BRNout]

But an aside to BRNout: Speaking of Beasley and WJBR, you said, “They could easily move it into Philly as a rimshot (not that they will).”

I beg to differ. There’s not a snowball’s chance in the nether world that they will. WJBR and WBAI in New York are co-channel stations, and they’re already short of the distance requirement for co-channel Class B’s on the FCC’s short-space table (47 CFR 73.215).
[EDIT--personal attack.]

Skeptic, that's true - I suppose I should clarify what I meant to say, which is that Beasley could sneak the tx into the south end of the market (if my calcs are right, they could move it about 4-5 miles north) and try to position WJBR as a "Philly" station. It would not hit places like Bucks County well, but then again WRNB doesn't do well into much of Chester County either. It would be a rimshot and not a real Philly station.

Personally, this would not seem to be a good idea and I do not see it happening. Just wanted to make a point that this particular signal actually booms into certain parts of the market and is thus fair game here. We had similar discussions back when the sale was announced.

Shawn, I respect (and agree with) much of what you have to say - but you should really admit that WJBR is close enough to Philadelphia to have a good signal in many areas and is thus worth talking about. From my house (<20 miles west of Center City) it comes in as well as most Philly FM stations and better than most of Radio One's cluster. So do WSTW and Nassau's Frank 107.5 - and neither is a "Philly" station either. You've gotta see that this is different than a having big thread about a little local station serving Dover, for example.

 

[mcmannors]

Since we have to talk about Delaware stations on this board now (as we used to on the old Radio-Info), then perhaps the Delaware board shouldn't be used at all. We should be discussing WJBR, WILM, WSTW, and WDEL (just to name a few) on this forum...

I would assume that the Delaware board is for all of the stations in Dover and south to the Maryland border.

 

[WTUX]

The Delaware Board works fine for the little Delaware stations that are not of interest to the Philly market, i.e. WAMS, WWTX, the ESPN outlet in Elkton, WILM, etc. WJBR and WSTW are in the Philly ratings and continue to be popular in Philly suburbs including Chester and Delaware counties. WDEL is loud and clear at the Philly airport and covers traffic reports for Ridley Park since many Boeing employees (literally thousands of them) are commuters from Delaware.

There is always going to be crossover on the Philly board as Wilmington is in a real sense a Philadelphia suburb. Much of the Wilmington Market listens to Philadelphia radio and watches Philadelphia TV. The crossover in posts here is natural.

On to the other topic at hand. I am totally fed up with the Julius bashing. Just ignore him if he iritates you. The bashing is completely out of place for any decent, educated person. A radio professional should be above that.

 

[DG02816]

I pretty much agree with the other posters on the Philly/Wilmington/NJ crossover. When I first moved into the area, I'd listen to the then-WJBR-AM 1290. I now listen on and off to WJBR 99.5,and have WTHK/WJJZ 97.5 as a car radio preset in hopes of hearing some listenable smooth jazz, which is this generation's "Beautiful Music". What gets my goat, however, is how this board's threads sometimes disintegrate into mud-slinging, name-calling, race-baiting pissfests.If you want to indulge in that, move to the Take It Outside section. If Julius gets on your nerves, the best way to beat the problem is to ignore him. Same goes with OHara/RunwithScissors/SICKofIT.


Dave Gardiner

WVCH 740/WNWR 1540

Philadelphia

 

[Radiodeity]

On to the other topic at hand. I am totally fed up with the Julius bashing... A radio professional should be above that...

Offering a quote I once heard:

Never argue with an idiot. People may not be able to tell the difference.

Now before you go pouncing on my arse - I'm NOT calling ANYONE an idiot. But when things get so heated that the bashing gets nearly out of hand - that's when people really have a difficult time telling the difference.

Just my 2¢