What changes in los angeles radio have bothered you most in the last 10 years

[hotpatrick2004]

I have a few the first would be in 2004 when kiss a really good chr screwed there whole station up and went rhythmic yuk!!!Not that i don't like rhythmic i do but i liked kiss as a chr/pop now it is god awful!!!

And also what the suits have done to kabc over the years is just downright criminal. It use to be a good talk station with doug at night and now mornings and you use to have mr kabc whom i liked and back in 2002 you had alred and taylor and just a good station now it sucks!!!

Also for the love of god can sal please make his mind up about a lineup at kgil that is another beef i have!!!

Elaborate please

Hotpatrick Out

 

[sfradio]

I hated when KBIG changed from rhythm ac to a boring hot ac station and also 100.3 the beat changing to v100 and now the sound

 

[scooty430]

Re: What changes in los angeles radio have bothered you most in the last 10 year

Shrinking playlists! And every station chasing the same audience with the same music.

 

[westfield60]

Totally agree with you Hotpatrick2004 about KABC. Every bone headed move made by management over there has slowly killed the station. I agree with you that it is totally unlistenable these days.

 

[davideduardo]

Re: What changes in los angeles radio have bothered you most in the last 10 year

Shrinking playlists! And every station chasing the same audience with the same music.

The top 10 stations in 18-49 in LA represent 48.9% of all listening. Tell me how much "sameness" in titles there is betwen KBUE, KLVE, KSCA KBIG, KRCD, KPWR, KLAX, KROQ, KIIS and KOST during the "December" arbitron month.

How is KLVE chasing the KLAX audience. Or how is KBUE chasing the KRCD audience? Or how is KSCA chasing the KIIS audience?

The really short playlists were in the 50's and 60's.

 

[hotpatrick2004]

Hey david gota love that 200 song playlist at klos how many times can we here stairway to heaven???

Happy birthday to ya

 

[davideduardo]

Hey david gota love that 200 song playlist at klos how many times can we here stairway to heaven???

For fun, I checked the same 5 week date range I used for KCBS FM... 515 songs. That's very similar to the number of cuts I had at the only classic rocker I have done... seems to almost be a de facto standard.

Happy birthday to ya

Thanks.

 

[oldies76]

Re: What changes in los angeles radio have bothered you most in the last 10 year

The really short playlists were in the 50's and 60's.

Yeah, but did the stations playing currents in the 50's and 60's, play "oldies" from the 30's and 40's or earlier?
If not, that would explain the small playlists. Or did stations then, play songs that charted from positions 20 to 100 to compensate and make bigger playlists?

A station in 1960 (like KHJ) would only be spinning the currents from '60 and maybe some from a few years back, say to 1955? (If the rock era was even defined by radio then, yet)

 

[scooty430]

Re: What changes in los angeles radio have bothered you most in the last 10 year

Shrinking playlists! And every station chasing the same audience with the same music.

The top 10 stations in 18-49 in LA represent 48.9% of all listening. Tell me how much "sameness" in titles there is betwen KBUE, KLVE, KSCA KBIG, KRCD, KPWR, KLAX, KROQ, KIIS and KOST during the "December" arbitron month.

How is KLVE chasing the KLAX audience. Or how is KBUE chasing the KRCD audience? Or how is KSCA chasing the KIIS audience?

The really short playlists were in the 50's and 60's.

KBIG is in the Top 10? News to me.

Any reason you omitted KRTH? They're #3.

Anyhow, I don't listen to Spanish radio, so I can't comment on K-Love or KSCA. But it does feel like many stations want women 18-34.

Music that is the same? Eagles. Fleetwood Mac. Elton John. Billy Joel. You can hear these and similar artists on KRTH, KLOS, JACK, The Sound, KOST, and until recently Star and KBIG. Not to mention the fact that we've been hearing these bands nonstop for thirty years. "Don't Stop thinkin' about tomorrow." I can't think about tomorrow, because this song has me stuck in 1977 (or 1992 with Clinton!)

As for the "KFWB and KHJ were repetitive, and so is KIIS" argument, we've been over this. Those stations had constantly changing (and BRAND NEW) exciting songs to play. Nothing wrong with playing new music repeatedly. Even KLOS up until the early 90's had new rock to play. Oldies radio does not. It's an apples and oranges argument.

 

[hamNcheese]

Re: What changes in los angeles radio have bothered you most in the last 10 year

KBIG is in the Top 10? News to me.

Any reason you omitted KRTH? They're #3.

December PPM

18-49 KBIG is 9th

25-54 K Earth is 9th

Those demos are appropriate for their respective formats.

Interesting side note KOST Christmas music raised their #s almost 50% taking them to #1 25-54.

 

[radio124]

The lack of live talent in the overnight hours on most stations.

 

[davideduardo]

Re: What changes in los angeles radio have bothered you most in the last 10 year

The top 10 stations in 18-49 in LA represent 48.9% of all listening. Tell me how much "sameness" in titles there is betwen KBUE, KLVE, KSCA KBIG, KRCD, KPWR, KLAX, KROQ, KIIS and KOST during the "December" arbitron month.
How is KLVE chasing the KLAX audience. Or how is KBUE chasing the KRCD audience? Or how is KSCA chasing the KIIS audience?

KBIG is in the Top 10? News to me.

December PPM results, out last Wednesday.

Any reason you omitted KRTH? They're #3.

It's not in the top 10 in 18-49.

Anyhow, I don't listen to Spanish radio, so I can't comment on K-Love or KSCA.

Two stations which have absolutly zero songs in common.

"Spanish" stations are in Spain. KLVE and KSCA are American stations in the Spanish langauge; Spanish is, as you can see, a language, and not a format.

But it does feel like many stations want women 18-34.

No, that would be mostly KIIS and maybe KSSE and the secondary target of Power 106 (males being the primary).

Stations target at different places inside the 18 to 54 range, because essentially all ad buys are within this range. No teen buys, no 55+. But not all stations target the same demo or gender or ethnicity.

Music that is the same? Eagles. Fleetwood Mac. Elton John. Billy Joel. You can hear these and similar artists on KRTH, KLOS, JACK, The Sound, KOST, and until recently Star and KBIG.

Wow. Of the stations I asked you about in reference to all playing the same songs, you named only two I did mention and five I didn't include because they are not top 10 in the cited demo... I gave those 10 because they account for just about half of all listening in the demo in the market.

 

[Jay F]

The KIIS change to a more rhythmic lean might have bothered you personally Patrick, but it was an excellent decision. They instantly saw major ratings improvements which persist to this day. Also, KIIS shiting more rhythmic was one of several reasons KPWR took a big hit, which they only now are starting to recover from.

Overall KIIS moving rhythmic was one of the best decisons in recent LA radio history.

 

[davideduardo]

The KIIS change to a more rhythmic lean might have bothered you personally Patrick, but it was an excellent decision. They instantly saw major ratings improvements which persist to this day. Also, KIIS shiting more rhythmic was one of several reasons KPWR took a big hit, which they only now are starting to recover from.

I would say most of the recent damage to power is strictly correlated with the entry of Latino 96.3. The recent changes in Power, particularly the good mixes, seem to have hurt Latino and make power look very good again.

Overall KIIS moving rhythmic was one of the best decisons in recent LA radio history.

Very true.

 

[Big E]

Consolidation. Automation. Elimination (of jobs.) This all leads to FRUSTRATION .

 

[KPWRairchecks]

That Emmis didn't take my idea of blowing up Movin 93.9 in lieu of The Original Power 106 on 93.9, the nation's first retro brand station!

 

[RicoGregg]

Re: What changes in los angeles radio have bothered you most in the last 10 year

The deaths of too many air talents. I know people get older and start dying off, but L.A. radio isn't the same without some of the familiar names that have passed on.

 

[scooty430]

Re: What changes in los angeles radio have bothered you most in the last 10 year

The top 10 stations in 18-49 in LA represent 48.9% of all listening. Tell me how much "sameness" in titles there is betwen KBUE, KLVE, KSCA KBIG, KRCD, KPWR, KLAX, KROQ, KIIS and KOST during the "December" arbitron month.
How is KLVE chasing the KLAX audience. Or how is KBUE chasing the KRCD audience? Or how is KSCA chasing the KIIS audience?

KBIG is in the Top 10? News to me.

December PPM results, out last Wednesday.

Any reason you omitted KRTH? They're #3.

It's not in the top 10 in 18-49.

Anyhow, I don't listen to Spanish radio, so I can't comment on K-Love or KSCA.

Two stations which have absolutly zero songs in common.

"Spanish" stations are in Spain. KLVE and KSCA are American stations in the Spanish langauge; Spanish is, as you can see, a language, and not a format.

But it does feel like many stations want women 18-34.

No, that would be mostly KIIS and maybe KSSE and the secondary target of Power 106 (males being the primary).

Stations target at different places inside the 18 to 54 range, because essentially all ad buys are within this range. No teen buys, no 55+. But not all stations target the same demo or gender or ethnicity.

Music that is the same? Eagles. Fleetwood Mac. Elton John. Billy Joel. You can hear these and similar artists on KRTH, KLOS, JACK, The Sound, KOST, and until recently Star and KBIG.

Wow. Of the stations I asked you about in reference to all playing the same songs, you named only two I did mention and five I didn't include because they are not top 10 in the cited demo... I gave those 10 because they account for just about half of all listening in the demo in the market.

I was using the ratings given on this very site, but 12+. I know you don't care about that, and please, for the love of God, spare me the explanation of why. I got it the first twenty times. But I point this out just so you know where I got the fact that KRTH was #3. If those are the top 10 18-49, that's fine.

I call 'em Spanish stations. That is also what the general population calls them. This is because they are speaking Spanish. Making little distinctions about jargon and lingo is really not furthering your argument.

But you are again missing the point. No, not EVERY station is playing Elton John and the Eagles all day. But too many of them are.

 

[davideduardo]

Re: What changes in los angeles radio have bothered you most in the last 10 year

I was using the ratings given on this very site, but 12+. I know you don't care about that, and please, for the love of God, spare me the explanation of why. I got it the first twenty times. But I point this out just so you know where I got the fact that KRTH was #3. If those are the top 10 18-49, that's fine.

No, the numbers here are 6+, which is all Arbitron issues for PPM markets. That data is worthless for programming or sales or any type of intelligent evaluation. Which is why you insist on thinking it is meaningful.

I call 'em Spanish stations.

And, like in so, so maaaaaaaaaany things, you are wrong. A "Spanish station" is a station in Spain. An English station is one in England. And so on.

Spanish is a language, not a format.

That is also what the general population calls them.

No doubt the people you come in contact do; it takes one to know one.

This is because they are speaking Spanish. Making little distinctions about jargon and lingo is really not furthering your argument.

Spanish is a language, not a format.

But you are again missing the point. No, not EVERY station is playing Elton John and the Eagles all day. But too many of them are.

According to you.

 

[Wildstyle K]

I hated when KBIG changed from rhythm ac to a boring hot ac station and also 100.3 the beat changing to v100 and now the sound

Since when did 100.3 The Beat change to V100? I mean, I still like Power 106 better, but still....
I wonder if they sound like V-103 in Atlanta, playing R&B and Hip Hop (but focusing a bit more on the r&b)?

At least Power 106 is giving attention to rhythmic dance hits as well. It's funny how they are still holding on to the "where HIP HOP lives" when they sound more like "hits & hip hop" or something.

The changes I hated most were 99.1 KGGI, Power 106 La's Party Station, B100.3, 103.1 Groove Radio, 102.7 KIIS FM, I guess Jammin Z90 that I could pick up at times while visiting LA, and the 104.7 I think I heard two or three times. At least Power 106 is kind of going back to their old ways, but in a modernized way. I'm not sure what Jammin Z90 sounds like now, or if 104.7 is still rhythmic and has the same mix shows they used to have. As a matter of fact, not sure what 99.1 KGGI is like anymore either. I'm sure they might play a lot of older rhythmic hits with their currents, but I doubt there will be any Earthquake Mix if I came back to Cali.

Most of them I bet are playing T.I. and some other stuff at least once an hour by now. Wild 94.9 is the only one who still does a workout style mix at noon, even though they leave out a lot of currents by Rockell and Stevie B and Inoj and stuff.....but I guess Wild 94.9, Jammin Z90 and 104.7 aren't Los Angeles. KGGI is somewhere else, too.. The IE or something like that.