Very true I bet ya could hear them both pop in and out from Hawaii and I wonder if the Alaskan 780 KNOM would show up in Hawaii as well ;D
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- Thread starter Buckeyes2001
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Round 3 - 780 in Rapid City, SD - my guesses...
Day: no reception (unless maybe you have a beverage antenna hooked up to a sensitive receiver, then I wonder if it might sound like a weak graveyard channel. By sensitive I mean with NO antenna, not even an internal ferrite, it would get a listenable signal from a station that a GE SR1/2/3, Sangean PR-D5, CCRadio, Sony ICF-2010, etc can't detect its carrier at all.)
Night: I would expect WBBM Chicago, IL, to be dominant.
Going back ...
Round 2 - 710 in Great Bend, KS
Day: possible weak mix of KCMO Kansas City, MO and KGNC Amarillo, TX, on a good radio.
Night:
It looks like it'd be a no-mans land, but I'd guess WAQI Miami, FL, KCMO Kansas City, MO, or WOR New York, NY may occasionally rise above the chatter.
Round 1 - 1060 in North Platte, NE
Day:
I'd expect the dominant station to be KNLV Ord, NE, about 100 miles east/northeast, ranging from faint on an average pocket radio to medium strength on, for example, a PR-D5, SR3, etc. With a good radio, I'd also guess KGFX Pierre, SD (219mi N, 10kW DA but partly nulled to S) and/or KRCN Longmont, CO (226mi W/SW, 50kW ND) may be audible underneath.
Night:
It looks like the 2 most likely would be KYW Philadelphia, PA, and WLNO New Orleans, LA, but I'd think both would be weak.
For the above scenarios, I didn't take off-channel splatter or IBOC into account, or Canadian/Mexican stations.
Day: no reception (unless maybe you have a beverage antenna hooked up to a sensitive receiver, then I wonder if it might sound like a weak graveyard channel. By sensitive I mean with NO antenna, not even an internal ferrite, it would get a listenable signal from a station that a GE SR1/2/3, Sangean PR-D5, CCRadio, Sony ICF-2010, etc can't detect its carrier at all.)
Night: I would expect WBBM Chicago, IL, to be dominant.
Going back ...
Round 2 - 710 in Great Bend, KS
Day: possible weak mix of KCMO Kansas City, MO and KGNC Amarillo, TX, on a good radio.
Night:
It looks like it'd be a no-mans land, but I'd guess WAQI Miami, FL, KCMO Kansas City, MO, or WOR New York, NY may occasionally rise above the chatter.
Round 1 - 1060 in North Platte, NE
Day:
I'd expect the dominant station to be KNLV Ord, NE, about 100 miles east/northeast, ranging from faint on an average pocket radio to medium strength on, for example, a PR-D5, SR3, etc. With a good radio, I'd also guess KGFX Pierre, SD (219mi N, 10kW DA but partly nulled to S) and/or KRCN Longmont, CO (226mi W/SW, 50kW ND) may be audible underneath.
Night:
It looks like the 2 most likely would be KYW Philadelphia, PA, and WLNO New Orleans, LA, but I'd think both would be weak.
For the above scenarios, I didn't take off-channel splatter or IBOC into account, or Canadian/Mexican stations.
Ok, my turn now. 
Round 4 - 910 kHz at Cameron Corners, CA (Campo)
I've already been here and DX'ed midday, but I'll let you guys try a few guesses before I reveal my results. (I haven't DX'ed from here at night, though.)
Bonus for this round:
One of the stations on this frequency also has another AM simulcast affiliate in/near Southern California. Which station is it, and which of the two has a better daytime signal at this location? (hint: 94.7 NYC)
P.S. since this starts a new page, my answers to previous rounds are the last reply on the previous page.
P.P.S. I was debating this one, or 1290 in a couple semi-nearby locations, like Alpine, Jamul, or Rancho San Diego. I may still use that on a future round. On that one, daytime reception may not be what you'd think based on power & distance. At Cameron Corners, 1290 on a good radio (and/or with a loop antenna) is a mix of the 2 stations I had in mind.
Round 4 - 910 kHz at Cameron Corners, CA (Campo)
I've already been here and DX'ed midday, but I'll let you guys try a few guesses before I reveal my results.
(I haven't DX'ed from here at night, though.)Bonus for this round:
One of the stations on this frequency also has another AM simulcast affiliate in/near Southern California. Which station is it, and which of the two has a better daytime signal at this location? (hint: 94.7 NYC)
P.S. since this starts a new page, my answers to previous rounds are the last reply on the previous page.
P.P.S. I was debating this one, or 1290 in a couple semi-nearby locations, like Alpine, Jamul, or Rancho San Diego. I may still use that on a future round. On that one, daytime reception may not be what you'd think based on power & distance.
At Cameron Corners, 1290 on a good radio (and/or with a loop antenna) is a mix of the 2 stations I had in mind.910 kHz in Cameron Corners, CA should bring in:
Daytime: KECR (strongest) and XEAO possibly underneath (much weaker). It looks like nulling one will null the other. If KECR were ever off air during the day, a weak XEAO should be in its place
Nighttime: a mix of and in order from most dominant/often appearing to least dominant KECR, XEAO, KGME, KKSF, KWDZ
Daytime: KECR (strongest) and XEAO possibly underneath (much weaker). It looks like nulling one will null the other. If KECR were ever off air during the day, a weak XEAO should be in its place
Nighttime: a mix of and in order from most dominant/often appearing to least dominant KECR, XEAO, KGME, KKSF, KWDZ
So I said I would reveal what I heard on 910 at Cameron Corners at midday.
I haven't DXed from there at night, but based in part on what I've heard from my house about 28 miles W/NW of there, I can give some guesses. I'm sure they'll be a bit skewed due to my proximity to KECR (9.3 miles @ 7°). KECR at my house indicates about 66-67 dBµ daytime and 69-70 dBµ nighttime on my PL-398mp, sending about 7 kW day and 10 kW night toward me.
When nulling KECR, my most common nighttime catch under them from home is KGME Phoenix, AZ. I have also heard KWDZ Salt Lake City once or twice under KECR, and possibly XEAO. I don't recall hearing KRAK Hesperia, KOXR Oxnard, or KKSF Oakland at home, though.
At Cameron Corners, looking at patterns, I would expect KKSF to be the most likely to break through, along with XEAO. I'd also expect KGME to be a regular due to my often hearing them in El Cajon, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear KRAK as well. KWDZ might be a bit more rare, but as I've heard them in EC I wouldn't count them out. I'm not sure about KOXR though.
Ok, now for my daytime report from Cameron Corners. I said I'd reveal it after a little while, so...
I've been to Cameron Corners twice and recorded some reception - once with the Tecsun PL-380 on 2010-08-12, and again with the Tecsun PL-606 on 2011-06-24. (I don't have SAT recordings uploaded from the 2nd trip, except for 1090 XEPRS, which is off-topic for this round, and is not the frequency for the next round.)
2010-08-12 - PL-380 barefoot - approx 17 dBµ Signal / 18 dB S/N average - XEAO is heard here. The offset co-channel fade is courtesy of KECR, which is too weak to be resolved barefoot on this radio.
2010-08-12 - PL-380 with Select-A-Tenna - 38/25 - XEAO is on top, but KECR can be heard behind them.
2011-06-24 - PL-606 barefoot - avg 19/13, range 15/06--23/19 - XEAO is again easily on top, but KECR is trying to make its presence known with the slightly off-frequency carrier beating.
Sorry Buckeyes2001, you guessed wrong about KECR being strongest in the daytime at Cameron Corners.
On 2011-02-02, I caught KECR (and diplexer 1170 KCBQ) off the air for several minutes, enabling me to make several recordings, two of which I'll post here.
PL-606 barefoot - 15/02 indicated signal - something is trying to break through, but is too weak to really be resolved.
PL-606 + SAT - ~25/12 - XEAO is definitely on top here, but something else is beating with its carrier. I'm not sure if it's KRAK or KOXR, or possibly KGME? I doubt KGME, though, as I've never heard Phoenix midday at home (except 1580 KMIK in winter), and 550 KFYI was fairly weak with the SAT at Cameron Corners on 2010-08-12.
I also mentioned a bonus round, which apparently no one took me up on, so I'll just go ahead and reveal it.
KECR is a Family Radio affiliate, and also there's 1280 KFRN in Long Beach, running 1 kW directional days (non-directional night). Here are my recordings of KFRN as heard at Cameron Corners...
2010-08-12 - PL-380 barefoot - 15/05
2010-08-12 - PL-380 + SAT - 27/20 - the fading at the beginning is from positioning and tuning the Select-A-Tenna.
2011-06-24 - PL-606 barefoot - 15/04 - the noise is due to the proximity of either my recorder or my camera. (I was using the camera to photograph the signal display readings for review later, as I was pressed for time. I had several radios I was testing and a total of 3 hours to do it AND eat lunch at Campo Diner a block away, and it was faster to snap pics than write them on my Android phone's text editor. Next time I go (not scheduled yet, though), I hope to take a tripod with the camera and video some bandscans.)
So, as you can hear, 1280 KFRN actually has a much better signal at Cameron Corners in the daytime than 910 KECR, in spite of being something like 3-4 times farther away and much higher on the dial.
I haven't DXed from there at night, but based in part on what I've heard from my house about 28 miles W/NW of there, I can give some guesses. I'm sure they'll be a bit skewed due to my proximity to KECR (9.3 miles @ 7°). KECR at my house indicates about 66-67 dBµ daytime and 69-70 dBµ nighttime on my PL-398mp, sending about 7 kW day and 10 kW night toward me.
When nulling KECR, my most common nighttime catch under them from home is KGME Phoenix, AZ. I have also heard KWDZ Salt Lake City once or twice under KECR, and possibly XEAO. I don't recall hearing KRAK Hesperia, KOXR Oxnard, or KKSF Oakland at home, though.
At Cameron Corners, looking at patterns, I would expect KKSF to be the most likely to break through, along with XEAO. I'd also expect KGME to be a regular due to my often hearing them in El Cajon, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear KRAK as well. KWDZ might be a bit more rare, but as I've heard them in EC I wouldn't count them out. I'm not sure about KOXR though.
Ok, now for my daytime report from Cameron Corners. I said I'd reveal it after a little while, so...
I've been to Cameron Corners twice and recorded some reception - once with the Tecsun PL-380 on 2010-08-12, and again with the Tecsun PL-606 on 2011-06-24. (I don't have SAT recordings uploaded from the 2nd trip, except for 1090 XEPRS, which is off-topic for this round, and is not the frequency for the next round.)
2010-08-12 - PL-380 barefoot - approx 17 dBµ Signal / 18 dB S/N average - XEAO is heard here. The offset co-channel fade is courtesy of KECR, which is too weak to be resolved barefoot on this radio.
2010-08-12 - PL-380 with Select-A-Tenna - 38/25 - XEAO is on top, but KECR can be heard behind them.
2011-06-24 - PL-606 barefoot - avg 19/13, range 15/06--23/19 - XEAO is again easily on top, but KECR is trying to make its presence known with the slightly off-frequency carrier beating.
Sorry Buckeyes2001, you guessed wrong about KECR being strongest in the daytime at Cameron Corners.
On 2011-02-02, I caught KECR (and diplexer 1170 KCBQ) off the air for several minutes, enabling me to make several recordings, two of which I'll post here.
PL-606 barefoot - 15/02 indicated signal - something is trying to break through, but is too weak to really be resolved.
PL-606 + SAT - ~25/12 - XEAO is definitely on top here, but something else is beating with its carrier. I'm not sure if it's KRAK or KOXR, or possibly KGME? I doubt KGME, though, as I've never heard Phoenix midday at home (except 1580 KMIK in winter), and 550 KFYI was fairly weak with the SAT at Cameron Corners on 2010-08-12.
I also mentioned a bonus round, which apparently no one took me up on, so I'll just go ahead and reveal it.
KECR is a Family Radio affiliate, and also there's 1280 KFRN in Long Beach, running 1 kW directional days (non-directional night). Here are my recordings of KFRN as heard at Cameron Corners...
2010-08-12 - PL-380 barefoot - 15/05
2010-08-12 - PL-380 + SAT - 27/20 - the fading at the beginning is from positioning and tuning the Select-A-Tenna.
2011-06-24 - PL-606 barefoot - 15/04 - the noise is due to the proximity of either my recorder or my camera. (I was using the camera to photograph the signal display readings for review later, as I was pressed for time. I had several radios I was testing and a total of 3 hours to do it AND eat lunch at Campo Diner a block away, and it was faster to snap pics than write them on my Android phone's text editor. Next time I go (not scheduled yet, though), I hope to take a tripod with the camera and video some bandscans.)
So, as you can hear, 1280 KFRN actually has a much better signal at Cameron Corners in the daytime than 910 KECR, in spite of being something like 3-4 times farther away and much higher on the dial.
Apparently no one has stepped up to start the next round, so I guess it falls on me?
Round 5 - 1290 kHz - Jamul, CA
Yes, I decided to go ahead and use 1290, which I had mentioned earlier. I'll wait again to reveal my results from home, but I've already hinted at my Cameron Corners results in an earlier post. I will say that daytime reception in winter is different than in summer. at my house.
My first choice would have been Alpine (for reasons I don't think I should reveal yet), but unfortunately don't have info on 1290 there. The one time I was there was at the Viejas Outlet Center in December a year or two ago, after 3pm and skywaves were already starting to roll in. I was just checking the signal strength of my locals and a few blowtorches from L.A. in ancticipation of a possible future DX / radio-checking trip (which I still haven't done yet.)
Ok you DXers ... after I see a several guesses, I'm really hoping someone else is the one to do Round 6. (Maybe on Wednesday or Thursday?)
Round 5 - 1290 kHz - Jamul, CA
Yes, I decided to go ahead and use 1290, which I had mentioned earlier. I'll wait again to reveal my results from home, but I've already hinted at my Cameron Corners results in an earlier post. I will say that daytime reception in winter is different than in summer. at my house.
My first choice would have been Alpine (for reasons I don't think I should reveal yet), but unfortunately don't have info on 1290 there. The one time I was there was at the Viejas Outlet Center in December a year or two ago, after 3pm and skywaves were already starting to roll in. I was just checking the signal strength of my locals and a few blowtorches from L.A. in ancticipation of a possible future DX / radio-checking trip (which I still haven't done yet.)
Ok you DXers ... after I see a several guesses, I'm really hoping someone else is the one to do Round 6. (Maybe on Wednesday or Thursday?)
1290 kHz in Jamul, CA should be KKDD during the day and at night, KKDD, KCUB and perhaps some other weak signals underneath. Critical hours you might hear KAZA, KPAY
Round 6 - 700 kHz in Roswell, NM
During the day, I would think this would be blank. Critical hours probably KSEV and KHSE. Night I'm guessing would be a mix of WLW, KALL and XEGD.
During the day, I would think this would be blank. Critical hours probably KSEV and KHSE. Night I'm guessing would be a mix of WLW, KALL and XEGD.
Daytime, I'm not sure about KHSE but as crainbebo mentioned it's possible they could be received with a good antenna; I also wouldn't rule them out at night. I'm thinking that WLW would come in fairly well at times in Roswell.
As for XEGD it might be in the mix, but are we sure they haven't already moved to FM?
As for XEGD it might be in the mix, but are we sure they haven't already moved to FM?
For round 6, my guesses would be:
Daytime:
Empty channel on most radios.
I'm guessing a several hundred foot longwire and/or a 6-foot or larger air-core loop *MAY* be able to bring in traces of KALL or KHSE, maybe KSEV? I wonder if rbrucecarter5 remembers how far west he's heard KHSE, or possibly KSEV?
Nighttime:
Looking at patterns and distance, I'd expect KHSE to be a regular visitor, competing with KALL. WLW may also be in there too, but judging from the strength & frequency of 820 WBAP reception in El Cajon (a little closer distance wise), it likely wouldn't be heard every night, and would be weak when it IS heard.
And, since I didn't yet post my answers to round 5, I'll do so here ...
Ok so I haven't been to Jamul with my radio recently (but did go through on my way to Cameron Corners a couple times but didn't check 1290 due to being on a bus). I do live just 5 miles northwest of there and can see parts of Jamul from my house, so my home reception should be quite similar.
Sorry again, Buckeyes2001 (and crainbebo), KKDD is NOT the dominant daytime station on 1290 (at least in summer), in spite of being just under 100 miles away with an ERP of about 7.2 kW toward there. That honor goes to KZSB Santa Barbara, just a shade over 200 miles away, in spite of being only 500 watts non-directional. The reason why a station 14 times more powerful gets owned by a station twice the distance? KKDD's path is all land with 4 to 8 mS/m conductivity per the M3 map, but KZSB's path is mostly saltwater.
At my house 5 miles northwest (reception should be very similar in Jamul), KZSB owns the frequency in the daytime in summer. In winter, though, KKDD is a regular visitor, often equaling KZSB's signal.
A few examples of KZSB daytime reception:
2011-07-14 - Tecsun PL-606 - barefoot vs. Select-A-Tenna
2012-10-15 - Sony SRF-M37W
2013-01-22 - GE Superadio III - KZSB is still dominant here even in winter on this particular day, but KKDD is underneath.
Nighttime, KAZA has made frequent appearances, along with KKDD and other as-yet-unID (for me) stations.
P.S. for round 8 (or 9 or later - I'm thinking I'll let someone else take the next round) I've got another idea or two in the category of reality-is-not-what-you'd-think scenarios. One of them involves a saltwater path with a deep null toward the receive site, another involves co-channel interference in the daytime with one of the stations incorrectly being listed as on a different frequency on some websites. Yet a third idea involves a place in another state I visited last summer, with two weak co-channel stations received daytime (and I even have a video recorded there featuring a song with a line that the situation punctuates).
Daytime:
Empty channel on most radios.
I'm guessing a several hundred foot longwire and/or a 6-foot or larger air-core loop *MAY* be able to bring in traces of KALL or KHSE, maybe KSEV? I wonder if rbrucecarter5 remembers how far west he's heard KHSE, or possibly KSEV?
Nighttime:
Looking at patterns and distance, I'd expect KHSE to be a regular visitor, competing with KALL. WLW may also be in there too, but judging from the strength & frequency of 820 WBAP reception in El Cajon (a little closer distance wise), it likely wouldn't be heard every night, and would be weak when it IS heard.
And, since I didn't yet post my answers to round 5, I'll do so here ...
Ok so I haven't been to Jamul with my radio recently (but did go through on my way to Cameron Corners a couple times but didn't check 1290 due to being on a bus). I do live just 5 miles northwest of there and can see parts of Jamul from my house, so my home reception should be quite similar.
Sorry again, Buckeyes2001 (and crainbebo), KKDD is NOT the dominant daytime station on 1290 (at least in summer), in spite of being just under 100 miles away with an ERP of about 7.2 kW toward there.
That honor goes to KZSB Santa Barbara, just a shade over 200 miles away, in spite of being only 500 watts non-directional. The reason why a station 14 times more powerful gets owned by a station twice the distance? KKDD's path is all land with 4 to 8 mS/m conductivity per the M3 map, but KZSB's path is mostly saltwater. At my house 5 miles northwest (reception should be very similar in Jamul), KZSB owns the frequency in the daytime in summer. In winter, though, KKDD is a regular visitor, often equaling KZSB's signal.
A few examples of KZSB daytime reception:
2011-07-14 - Tecsun PL-606 - barefoot vs. Select-A-Tenna
2012-10-15 - Sony SRF-M37W
2013-01-22 - GE Superadio III - KZSB is still dominant here even in winter on this particular day, but KKDD is underneath.
Nighttime, KAZA has made frequent appearances, along with KKDD and other as-yet-unID (for me) stations.
P.S. for round 8 (or 9 or later - I'm thinking I'll let someone else take the next round) I've got another idea or two in the category of reality-is-not-what-you'd-think scenarios.
One of them involves a saltwater path with a deep null toward the receive site, another involves co-channel interference in the daytime with one of the stations incorrectly being listed as on a different frequency on some websites. Yet a third idea involves a place in another state I visited last summer, with two weak co-channel stations received daytime (and I even have a video recorded there featuring a song with a line that the situation punctuates).pianoplayer88key said:For round 6, my guesses would be:
Daytime:
Empty channel on most radios.
I'm guessing a several hundred foot longwire and/or a 6-foot or larger air-core loop *MAY* be able to bring in traces of KALL or KHSE, maybe KSEV? I wonder if rbrucecarter5 remembers how far west he's heard KHSE, or possibly KSEV?
Nighttime:
Looking at patterns and distance, I'd expect KHSE to be a regular visitor, competing with KALL. WLW may also be in there too, but judging from the strength & frequency of 820 WBAP reception in El Cajon (a little closer distance wise), it likely wouldn't be heard every night, and would be weak when it IS heard.
And, since I didn't yet post my answers to round 5, I'll do so here ...
Ok so I haven't been to Jamul with my radio recently (but did go through on my way to Cameron Corners a couple times but didn't check 1290 due to being on a bus). I do live just 5 miles northwest of there and can see parts of Jamul from my house, so my home reception should be quite similar.
Sorry again, Buckeyes2001 (and crainbebo), KKDD is NOT the dominant daytime station on 1290 (at least in summer), in spite of being just under 100 miles away with an ERP of about 7.2 kW toward there.
At my house 5 miles northwest (reception should be very similar in Jamul), KZSB owns the frequency in the daytime in summer. In winter, though, KKDD is a regular visitor, often equaling KZSB's signal.
A few examples of KZSB daytime reception:
2011-07-14 - Tecsun PL-606 - barefoot vs. Select-A-Tenna
2012-10-15 - Sony SRF-M37W
2013-01-22 - GE Superadio III - KZSB is still dominant here even in winter on this particular day, but KKDD is underneath.
Nighttime, KAZA has made frequent appearances, along with KKDD and other as-yet-unID (for me) stations.
P.S. for round 8 (or 9 or later - I'm thinking I'll let someone else take the next round) I've got another idea or two in the category of reality-is-not-what-you'd-think scenarios.
Little OT - but I NEVER hear KWRO 630 Coquille, OR, day or night, anywhere where I have gone. The only time I've received KWRO was sunset at Pacific Beach, WA about 300 mi N. What's up with that?
-crainbebo
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