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I don't know if anyone started something like this, but here goes anyway. The year? 1984. I was PD at WGR in Buffalo. Our staff consisted of Stan Roberts, Joe Galuski (now at WSYR), Frank Benny (RIP), Shane, John Otto (RIP) and Bob Beyette over night (til replaced by Bob Dearborne's "Nighttime America".) We were doing well, the station had gone from 5th to 3rd 12+. Bill Irwin had just left the station as GM and John Soller had come in from Cincinnati to run the place. Someone in our company had questioned the wisdom of keeping Stan Roberts on the air. It was SUGGESTED that we talk to George Hamberger (who-at the time-was at CFTR in Toronto). I met with George, really liked him and thought it might be a good idea to do as was suggested -and put George on in mornings and (gasp) send Stan packing. We had talked with everyone from the GM all the way up to corporate and got approval to make the switch. George was more contemporary and it looked like the station was gonna get even better. One problem. Between the time we sealed the deal with George, and the news was given to Stan, George mentioned to the receptionist at CFTR that he was leaving. She had friends in Buffalo, and somehow the story got to Alan Pergament. First thing he does is call me at 'GR. John Soller was out of town, in the process of moving his family to Buffalo from Cincinnati. I didn't know what to do- so I denied anything was going on. Mind you, as a young PD, I'd never had to talk to the press before. Not about something as potentially serious as this. I felt I had to get approval from the GM on an issue like this -and couldn't get to Soller before Alan called Stan. So, I did what any stupid fool would do, and denied anything was going on. The next day things seemed normal for awhile, but Alan DID get to Stan. Stan, in turn called me-by then Soller had returned to town, and we broke the news to Stan. He was crushed. I was making funny noises all the way up and down the halls and ended up with gallstones because of it. Buffalo wasn't happy with me and the change. Stan had done mornings on 'GR for 10 years after his tenure at KB. Stan and I had become pretty good friends, we spent plenty of social time together - and got along well. I chose the corporate suggestion rather than to stay true to Stan's friendship.

Pergament (rightfully so) ripped me a new one for the next 6 months as Stan moved down the alley to WBUF-which had (as I recall) switched back to those calls from WFXZ. The headlines ? "Stan Roberts devastated from WGR Firing" - and that story went on as to how I'd lied to Pergament. Subsequent stories referencing Stan always included the firing and the fool who denied it at the start. The last I remember was "Stan's ratings at WBUF have vindicated the fired WGR morning man as he (came close to or beat) WGR's new morning man George Hamberger. Roberts was fired in a situation initially denied by Program Director Dave Mason". I think he bettered BUF's morning ratings -while we had maintained our morning ratings. (This was 25 or so years ago.) I think Alan reminded me of that story when I came back to Buffalo in 89 for mornings at WBUF. (During my tenure at 'BUF Larry White, his wife, my wife and I were having dinner at a Chinese restaurant- and at the table next to us -you guessed it. Stan and his wife.

Well, it took 25 years but it came back to me 2 weeks ago when, at about 5:50am, during my morning gig on KOGO radio in San Diego, I opened an E-Mail telling me of "changes" they were making to the morning routine on KOGO, and I wasn't going to be part of those changes. When our management tried to apologize for the method, I just raised my hand and said "I understand. I've been on the other side of it". I didn't go into the whole story-but I think I can now honestly say I know how Stan felt. At least my employers didn't deny the story-and despite phone records to the contrary, they say they tried to contact me when they learned that my replacement had given the story to the press in Baltimore.

Just something to remember. I'm sure I'm not alone in all of this.

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DaveMasonSD said:
Just something to remember. I'm sure I'm not alone in all of this.
No Dave, you are not alone. Your story was an informative and intriguiging read, replete with the details of a seismic event at WGR from a manager's honest perspective.

While those skull and dagger maneuvers were going down at 464 Franklin Street, many of us at the other end of the building (unaware of the details) could only imagine just what the hell was happening behind the scenes. You've candidly revealed yourself and for that, you deserve a lot of credit here. Not long thereafter, we at 97 Rock would find ourselves facing another set of challenges under different circumstances when Taft, in its infinite wisdom, decided to ditch 97 Rock's AOR format to go head to head with WBUF. Talk about a programming decision filled with intrigue and skullduggery. Ah, but that's likely another thread in and unto itself.

For what it's worth, I thought you did a fine job at WGR during a very challenging period of the station's evolution.
 
First, for Jim Pastrick - one of the really good people in the biz, thanks for the nice things to say. I fully remember when the 97 Rock to "WGR-FM" Light Rock debacle went down. I don't wish to speak ill of the departed, but it was a plan that probably had no chance of succeeding. I was truly impressed when 97 Rock came back - and saw that the numbers bounced back like they'd never left. Norton, Russo, you -a great bunch of people.

In subsequent years, returning to Buffalo and being a part of the attempted "rebirth" of 'BUF, we had a series of events that just didn't work out either. The people in charge (Bud, Jack) were true broadcasters. I'm not sure of the whole sequence of events, but working with the Research Group, we decided to re-image the station as "Mix 92.9" -with a mostly new staff and a more aggressive approach to A/C. Our first book (with TV, Billboards and a real marketing and imaging campaign) was huge. But we had a few other issues that just didn't promise a great future for the station. Our GM (Larry White) left. There were intense budget pressures due, in part, to a sale of another Lincoln Group property that failed. We (I) probably made a mistake in hiring a morning show that didn't gel, and the frustration level of our mission was pushed aside when I got an offer to retrn to WKRC in Cincinnati.

Subsequent programmers came in, tried to rekindle the old FM 93 WBUF image - and it was pretty much gone. WJYE had been consistent, and like many heritage AC's became pretty invincible. WHTT's Oldies image (with Danny) took that away from 'BUF and it was pretty much all over.

For 1250WTAE...

For the time being, as I look, I hope to still continue at least as a part timer for CC here. I'm tracking Pittsburgh (3WS), Salt Lake City (KODJ), Farmington, NM (KKFG)-an Oldies station that had a 12 share in it's last book (and yes, they play Chuck Berry and Elvis along with Santana), and WQSO in Portsmouth, NH. I've done some fill-in on Rochester's FOX and you'll hear me imaging "Country 107-3."

Not that I'm not busy enough, but I'd sure like the ol' fulltime gig. I've fallen in love with Southern California....it's expensive, but a 15 year-old in high school and a 20 year old heading into his 3rd year in College at San Diego State - - it's tough to just pack up and leave. Having said that - -I'm not counting anything out.

Thanks for the nice words.
 
Dave,

Wow both those stories (yours and Stan's) are sure painful.

I don't know you personally but I have enjoyed your radio stories here on the board and in private emails. You seem like a really great guy.

The stress you went through over Stan's firing was considerable, which showed you cared. But we're talking Stan Roberts who I consider a legond in radio!

We all make mistakes and the fact your recalled it here many years later says allot. You were in a tight spot to be sure. I'm sure you learned from the experience. I don't know Stan Roberts but I hope he forgave you for it.

Best of luck in your new opportunity.

Mike
 
Dave:

Sorry to hear about your fate in San Diego. I am still with AAA, 17 years after I resigned, at WBUF, due to the schedule of the new job. I have since worked part-time(what else!)at 1O2.5, when it was Q-102, from 92-94, WJYE, from 99-03, and KB, from 03-06. KB was the most fun in radio that I have had since I worked with you in the early 80's at WGR. After you left, I finally went full-time at WGR-AM/FM in 1985. I stayed through the WRLT/97Rock debacle in 1988. I should have known better when they(Rich Comunications brought in Jhan Hiber as consultant, and he seemed to know everybody's first name except mine!) I then worked briefly at WYRK, and I then went to WBUF, and you know the rest! It was great working with you at 92.9.

I will always remember you for giving me confidence and teaching me technique. As a result, I continue to refer to you as one of my big influences in broadcasting. By the time I got to KB, I was myself, comfortable in what I was doing, and confident that what I was doing was right.

Life experience, has also been a big part in my comfort level. I lost my oldest son to Leukemia, in 1998. I have a 17 year old , who is a senior in high school.

I rememer a saying you repeated many times: "You don't know what you know until you know it. You know?"

Best of luck in the future, and I hope to see you again sometime!
 
John Jarrett said:
I finally went full-time at WGR-AM/FM in 1985.


John,

Who was PD when you went full time at WGR? I don't remember what year it was but I had been talking to Jerry Reo who was PD at the time about a full time gig. Jerry was nice enough to call back and say he filled the position internally. I was disappointed but very impressed that he took the time to call me.

Mike
 
Mike:

Good question! It kind of SHOWS the way radio became. Larry Anderson returned as General Manager. He hired no program director for either AM or FM. He ran the show with "coordinators" doing the dirty work. On AM, it was Tom Langmyer. On FM, it was Mike Roszman. Believe it or not, when Anderson left, David Rich(the owner)became General Manager. Langmyer left for Syracuse and Roszman, stayed on as "Operations Manager" for both stations. Mike was a great guy that had to enforce some very tough decisions at the end.
 
I heard something about that but didn't know about the weather conditions. That is a very sad story which we should never forget.

In the mid '80's I did some traffic reporting in the WBT plane. Management never allowed us to go up in fog or on cloudy days. Our safety was always the first priority. I did traffic reports on the ground quite a few times. Still it ran though my mind every time I went up in the plane that something could go wrong.
 
Mike was indeed a great guy, God rest his soul, and Pete is correct in his post. What a tragic and truly strange confluence of events that day. It was Mike's first day back after taking a few days off. He had the flu, but being the dedicated professional and trooper that he was, even though he wasn't 100%, he decided to return to work.

Every person who worked with Mike at WGR Newsradio 55 and 97 Rock can recall that awful day when the tower "lost contact" with the traffic helicopter in late afternoon. How many of us wondered why the pilot, with years of experience including a tour of duty in Viet Nam, didn't just "put 'er down" as the fog and mist rolled in and the ceiling and visibility decreased. It was afterall, a helicopter, which could have landed in a parking lot if necessary. At the time of the accident, they were flying low, following the Niagara river back to the Niagara Falls base when the chopper clipped the lower power transmission line which ran across the east branch of the Niagara river, parallel to the south Grand Island bridges.

All for the sake of "traffic on the tens." In Western New York, given the traffic flow, this would seem laughable if it wasn't so tragic in this case. After the accident, WGR flew fixed-wing aircraft and never went airborne when weather threatened. Hindsight is always 20-20.

Mike was a true professional and a gentleman and is missed to this day. Many of us who post on this board were fortunate to have worked with him.

_________________________________________________

Up early, waiting to view the lunar eclipse.
 
I had met Mike Roszman a couple of times while visiting WGR. So, I didn't know him as well as many of you on this board. But I still remember the feeling of being punched in the stomach when I heard the news on WGR's 7pm newscast that night. You may recall that in those days, WGR was in very stiff competition with WBEN. I have heard from some insiders it was that competition which was a factor in the copter flying that day. How utterly tragic for Mike, the pilot and their families.

Interestingly, you may have noticed that airborne traffic reports in Buffalo have become a thing of the past. It just doesn't make sense for a city the size of Buffalo. And during the winter, Air Gordon at WBEN was unable to get off the ground at least half the time because of poor weather. With cameras now operating on most of the area's expressways, traffic reporters are able to monitor conditions. It's just not worth it putting people's lives at risk to help Joe or Jane Listener save a few extra minutes from their commute.
 
I suspect that the reason there are no planes in the air has more to do with the price of gas than pilot and announcer safety. Ya Think?
 
Cam-tastic

Now that they have cameras on all the major highways, there's no reason to fly anymore. It's not like SoCal, where we have low-speed Bronco chases to televise.
 
All right, Dave Mason. I forgive you. And I'm sorry you had to suffer a similar fate in San Diego. The responses I've read indicate your career has been long and successful, and much of it (voice-tracking) continues. And I'm sure you'll find what your looking for in a permanent gig. If there's such a thing as permanent in radio.
Anyway, my firing turned out to be the best thing that ever happened to me. I call also-axed g.m. Bill Irwin and asked if he knew of anything. He said I should contact WBUF-FM. Mind you, I'm in the business, yet had never heard of them. I applied and was told "we won't do to our morning man what was done to you." They offered me a job selling for them, which I turned down. About a month later I called Lincoln Broadcasting's kingpins, Bud Wertheimer and Jack Palvino in Rochester and asked them to meet with me. They agreed. I proposed that I sell AND do their morning show. Bud said, "you've made your first sale." Little did I know that they had asked Jay Meyers, programming maven, his opinion, and he told them they should grab me, as it would give their station instant credibility. Thanks to all of the above, and Larry White, who became station manager, for all their help along the way. Anyway, I had my first sales job, which continues today, part time, for Entercom in Buffalo. I'm in Buffalo 4 months in the summer, and spend 8 months in Florida, where I continue my sales via monthly trips, the internet, fax, phone, etc. It's been great.
One correction, Dave. WBUF didn't just pass the popularity of WGR. In one year we went from unknown to Number One, adults 25 to 54. And my sales and on-air income was tops among all employees in Lincoln Group. Or so I heard. An initial commission of 30% can do wonders! Especially when the station rockets to the top.
So, Dave, great things may be waiting for you around the corner. I certainly hope so.
And it was great hearing from class acts like Jim Pastrick, who still sounds great.
 
I'm constantly awed by the people that post here and now we have Stan himself...

Anyway - I didn't realize when Stan left WGR it wasn't his own choice. Glad to hear it turned out to be the best thing that ever happened for him. It certainly drove a lot of adult listeners to the FM band for the first time where they then stayed. It would have happened eventually as the kids of that time grew up but it shows just how popular Stan was to have jump started that move in a big way. My house had alway been a GR kind of place but when Stan left my Mom changed to WBUF and never left FM again.

BTW - have to add that I used to listen to the Stan Roberts show on WBEN and thought it was great. The trivia challenge they used to run between listeners on the Bill Lacy show and Stan R. show was a great idea. Too bad news/talk stations don't do similar stuff today- all politics all the time gets to be a bit much.

Also - talk about morning show screwups - dropping Bill Lacy from WBEN. That used to be a show you could just put on and keep listening too - now about 15 minutes is the most you can take. Having a top notch host to smooth over the transitions in the show really adds a lot. Nothing against the news anchors who hold down the fort now but they are news anchors - not show hosts - big difference. Not that I hear it much - I live in Boston now so I listen to WBZ in the morning most of the time.
 
Stan Roberts said:
Thanks to all of the above, and Larry White, who became station manager, for all their help along the way.

Stan, nice to see you on this board!

The 7 years I spent as VP/GM of WBUF were some the best of my many years in the business. It was quite a ride!

The opportunity to get to know you, and work with you for several years made the experience that much more enjoyable.

I salute you for your success behind the mic and on the street as a top performing salesperson.

You’ve had an amazing career. You’re a consummate pro and a real gentleman…I wish you continued good health and success.

Larry
 
spt87 said:
I'm constantly awed by the people that post here and now we have Stan himself...

It certainly is good to see some of Buffalo's noteworthy broadcasters posting here, including the first from Stan Roberts.

This is the type of thread that makes this board enjoyable and informative. Stan's reconciliatory remarks show him to be above the fray of the everyday pettiness seen in the business, not that pettiness is exclusive to broadcasting. Equal thanks should go to Dave Mason for the original post.

It's interesting how Stan brought greater recognition to WBUF in its early years. Not to discount Frank Benny's work in AM drive on WGR, but it could be said that Stan helped solidify WGR years earlier when he returned to Buffalo from WHDH, Boston.

Moving to WBUF, Stan charted a path for other AM stalwarts like Sandy Beach and Dan Neaverth to make the leap to FM. But keep in mind that although their leap to FM is noteworthy, guys like Harv Moor, Roger Christian, Joe Chile, Jim Santella, Larry Norton and others were doing FM quite successfully before Stan, Sandy and Danny saw the light.

Let's hear more from you Stan... and invite Dan and Sandy to join the discussions here.

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Wow, Stan if you read this thread again I just want to say that you were an inspiration to me. Your work at KB and WGR was outstanding. I left Buffalo in 1965 but every time I came back to Buffalo to visit I made it a point to listen to you whenever I could. You are a class act sir! Thanks for all the laughs!

Mike Miranda
aka Mike Sheridan
 
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