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What Happened to LOCAL Talk Radio?

Why have local talk shows almost disappeared? I remember when I first discovered talk radio about 30 years ago: it was a discussion of irradiated food, on a Saturday afternoon, and I think the host was Bob Mohan...but it could have been the guy who ran for the legislature....I can't remember his name. Just remembered, Earl Baldwin! Listeners called in with their thoughts. I learned a lot from that show. And other similar shows.

But in those days, KFYI had almost all local hosts, as did KTAR.

It was a big turning point for me when KTAR and David Leibowitz parted. Leibowitz had local guests, talked about local issues, and was both interesting and provocative. Tony Snow is no substitue. Even if they have a dozen canned sound bites to try and make you think he is in their studio, when you know he isn't.

(For some reason I put Ted Simons in a different class....he isn't quite as provocative as Leibo was. More of the Pat McMahon school.)

I find Bruce Jacobs hard to listen to.....too opinionated, whining, and he has to repeat everything 3 or 4 times, as if he can't think ahead. He is also too biased, spends too much time complaining about the Arizona Republic. He should do as I did about 10 years ago: quit reading it! And too much sports talk for me. Jacobs seldom let's his callers express their thoughts. (Unless they agree with him!)

I used to like Barry Young, until his show moved to later in the day. Now when I tune in and hear him and his female cohost, it just is not the same. I haven't listened enough recently. Does he take calls from listeners?

The only other local host I can think of that is still on is John Dayle. (Is Mike Newcomb still on locally?)

I wish I had kept a list of the good ones. Now the only three I can think of that I liked are David Lebowitz, Bob Mohan and Sam Steiger.

I liked it when they talked about local issues. The location of the Cardinals stadium, freeway routes, bond issues, the alternative fuel fiasco. Listening to opinions of callers was like reading pages of letters to the editors. From listening to talk radio, you could get a feeling of the pulse of the community.

Now you hear nothing. The light rail fiasco is going to effect all of us in a big way, but I haven't heard anyone discuss it in months.

I often wonder why almost all talk radio is syndicated. Is it just easier to pull a show off a satellite, or is it more profitable? Because the owners sit in ivory towers in other cities, have they given up totally on their local responsibility? My guess is that the lack of local ownership is the main cause.

Broadcasters are worried about XM and Sirrius, but they feed us the same. They should be worried.
 
> I often wonder why almost all talk radio is syndicated. Is
> it just easier to pull a show off a satellite, or is it more
> profitable? Because the owners sit in ivory towers in other
> cities, have they given up totally on their local
> responsibility? My guess is that the lack of local
> ownership is the main cause.

Whether you're owned by a huge corporation or if the guy in the corner office signs your checks, it boils down to the cost of labor.

When you carry a syndicated show, you either plug in the automation and let the show run itself, or at most you have a board op who's making at best $10/hour.

When you carry a local show, you have the board op, plus producers booking guests, plus a call screener (if that's not put on the board op), plus the host. You're looking at 3 or 4 full time positions for every local show.

The cost of syndication: 4 minutes of barter inventory per hour, and in some cases a cash payment to the syndicator.

Syndicated talk is cheap. Local talk isn't. <P ID="signature">______________
...co-moderator of the Satellite Radio, Phoenix, and San Diego boards...</P>
 
Steiger was fun to listen to, sadly, he had a massive stroke a few years back and cannot do a show.

Earl Baldwin died a few years back as well.

I liked Liebo, and I liked Bill Strauss (and I am fairly conservative)

Dayle is still on, but he has Z list guests hawking bad conspiracy books, Simonds is vanilla as hell, Young is an arrogant jerk, Jacobs is unlistenable.

But, for a laugh, there is always Matt "thanks for the radio station, Dad!" Gerson. His complete lack of talent, substance and usefullness makes for a great unintentional laugh.
 
> Oh this is a fun topic!!!!
No matter what business you own your looking to make a profit. How much of a profit you need to make depends on you. Some people are just GREEDY.

Local talk show hosts would take a job for very little money just because they enjoy doing what they do. Someone mentioned Mike Newcomb, there is a guy with alot of enthusiaim and RAW ability that could go somewhere. Don't agree with his politics.

Charles Goyette another guy I don't agree with, but he could get me so mad I would turn the radio off just to turn it back on to see if someone could convert him.

A student at Texas University brought an idea in front of me awhile back that I thought would be good radio. She was the president of the young republicans at her university. She wanted to get students with the same positon at other universities to host a show. One from the North, South, East and West. Two democrats and two republicans on the same show and the schools would change each week. Besides maybe finding a good host you would get heated controversy going.

I feel very sorry for KTAR that with all their research, consultants and money that what they have on the air Monday thru Friday 5AM to 6PM is the best they could do. I take that back I feel sorry for the community, KTAR is billing very well what do they care. They are a good sports station.

As far as KFYI goes I haven't listened to them much, but the ratings show people are listening. I guess the old story about the bird flying south for the winter to late really is true. "If you get stuck in poop maybe it is just best to stay there and be quiet". Barry Young is one of the best minds in radio that I have come across but you see what happens when the work you love becomes a JOB. Do something you love, you'll be better at it.

The only other real talk station KKNT in town has a great syndicated lineup but will NEVER get on the map. No guts for local talk equal the same nothing ratings they have gotten for years.

Speaking of ratings, when was the last time a Phoenix station showed a 10 share?
"Bruce Kelly" KZZP

There has been tremendous talent come thru Phoenix and tremendous talent still here, they just are doing other things. Loyalty to a radio station is a thing of the past. Listeners can be moved easily.

Maybe some individuals should stop working all day to make sure the company knows how valuable they think they are. Maybe it's time to get creative, take a risk do something that requires the community to stand up and take notice.
 
> > Oh this is a fun topic!!!!

> As far as KFYI goes I haven't listened to them much, but the
> ratings show people are listening.

I know it's only 12+, but the numbers that just popped into my inbox from All Access aren't kind to KTAR.

It's going to take more than Tony Snow to turn that place around.

Call me crazy, but I'd put Kid & Reuben on 620 and watch the pacemakers explode.

Also, Bruce Kelly is available, and it's not a stretch for him to move back to town.

Why would I throw those names out? Because they have opinions, they stand up for their opinions, and they know how to entertain. Also, they'd never do "When is it going to hit 100 degrees" as a topic.<P ID="signature">______________
...co-moderator of the Satellite Radio, Phoenix, and San Diego boards...</P>
 
>

> Local radio has lost it local flavor with the big companies/chains owning the majority of the stations and with HQ being located elsewhere. Local radio is not much more local than XM or Sirius in many cases. Voicetracking, syndicated shows, and programming decided by someone who has never even been to Phoenix most likely. Terrestrial radio claims to be in touch with the localities they are in, but most havent been for years and years.
 
> > Oh this is a fun topic!!!!
> No matter what business you own your looking to make a
> profit. How much of a profit you need to make depends on
> you. Some people are just GREEDY.
>
> Local talk show hosts would take a job for very little money
> just because they enjoy doing what they do. Someone
> mentioned Mike Newcomb, there is a guy with alot of
> enthusiaim and RAW ability that could go somewhere. Don't
> agree with his politics.
>
> Charles Goyette another guy I don't agree with, but he could
> get me so mad I would turn the radio off just to turn it
> back on to see if someone could convert him.
>
> A student at Texas University brought an idea in front of me
> awhile back that I thought would be good radio. She was the
> president of the young republicans at her university. She
> wanted to get students with the same positon at other
> universities to host a show. One from the North, South,
> East and West. Two democrats and two republicans on the
> same show and the schools would change each week. Besides
> maybe finding a good host you would get heated controversy
> going.
>
> I feel very sorry for KTAR that with all their research,
> consultants and money that what they have on the air Monday
> thru Friday 5AM to 6PM is the best they could do. I take
> that back I feel sorry for the community, KTAR is billing
> very well what do they care. They are a good sports station.
>
>
> As far as KFYI goes I haven't listened to them much, but the
> ratings show people are listening. I guess the old story
> about the bird flying south for the winter to late really is
> true. "If you get stuck in poop maybe it is just best to
> stay there and be quiet". Barry Young is one of the best
> minds in radio that I have come across but you see what
> happens when the work you love becomes a JOB. Do something
> you love, you'll be better at it.
>
> The only other real talk station KKNT in town has a great
> syndicated lineup but will NEVER get on the map. No guts
> for local talk equal the same nothing ratings they have
> gotten for years.
>
> Speaking of ratings, when was the last time a Phoenix
> station showed a 10 share?
> "Bruce Kelly" KZZP
>
> There has been tremendous talent come thru Phoenix and
> tremendous talent still here, they just are doing other
> things. Loyalty to a radio station is a thing of the past.
> Listeners can be moved easily.
>
> Maybe some individuals should stop working all day to make
> sure the company knows how valuable they think they are.
> Maybe it's time to get creative, take a risk do something
> that requires the community to stand up and take notice.
>
Radio will never be what you "thought" it was again. Simply too many outlets and alternatives and quick cash with white kids in charge is king.

Barna's latest failure proved this, neo-con radio has tired big.
 
> > >
> >
> > As far as KFYI goes I haven't listened to them much, but
> the
> > ratings show people are listening. I guess the old story
> > about the bird flying south for the winter to late really
> is
> > true. "If you get stuck in poop maybe it is just best to
> > stay there and be quiet". Barry Young is one of the best
> > minds in radio that I have come across but you see what
> > happens when the work you love becomes a JOB. Do
> something
> > you love, you'll be better at it.
> >
> > The only other real talk station KKNT in town has a great
> > syndicated lineup but will NEVER get on the map. No guts
> > for local talk equal the same nothing ratings they have
> > gotten for years.
> >
> > Speaking of ratings, when was the last time a Phoenix
> > station showed a 10 share?
> > "Bruce Kelly" KZZP
> >
> > There has been tremendous talent come thru Phoenix and
> > tremendous talent still here, they just are doing other
> > things. Loyalty to a radio station is a thing of the
> past.
> > Listeners can be moved easily.
> >
> > Maybe some individuals should stop working all day to make
>
> > sure the company knows how valuable they think they are.
> > Maybe it's time to get creative, take a risk do something
> > that requires the community to stand up and take notice.
> >
> Radio will never be what you "thought" it was again. Simply
> too many outlets and alternatives and quick cash with white
> kids in charge is king.
>
> Barna's latest failure proved this, neo-con radio has tired
> big.
>
Alright finally some FIRE. I guess if you cast stones be prepared to get some back.

BUT...What is failure to one might not be to another.

KFNX was owned by one individual for five years with NO ratings, No exposure, No real radio programing and in bankruptcy.

In seven months the station was a bleep on the ratings... gave 11 people that needed work, work...had exposure all over the valley...helped numerous other people find work at other stations...had the most fun a person could have in a 10 hour day...was mentioned NUMEROUS times, on your show, on KFYI Barry...had LOCAL radio programing with fire that took the place of barter shows...had a real news network which wasn't there before...had a local news department that was started from the ground up...had production on air that was equal to any station in town...had paid advertisers, when there were none before...had equipment that maybe a tin can would of been better but it improved 10 times in seven months...had major technical problems every hour, which the people calmly overcame....did not have operating capital to operate with...had a group of PEOPLE that gave everything they had every minute and is a company no longer in bankruptcy "that I know of". Failure?

As I sit here on my balcony looking out over the city, I take a drink of Diet Coke and say life is GOOD.
 
Speaking of Bill Strauss, what ever happened to him? Is he doing radio anywhere? Sort of an interesting anecdote...His ex-wife, Peg, was my school nurse when I was at, I believe, either Yavapai or Supai...God, how the years have gone by.

Even though I didn't always agree with him politically and philosophically, I listened to his show every night on KTAR...I listened when I could on KXAM, but with it being during the day, I was often working or in class. I did, however, get to sit in on his show shortly before Christmas of 1996, and because a buddy of mine was producing his KXAM show in 1999, they had me on by phone to talk about my experience both as a blind person, and just a music fan, at Woodstock 99. Unfortunately, even though we have decent local talk here in Seattle, there's no one quite as enjoyable to listen to as Strauss.

> Steiger was fun to listen to, sadly, he had a massive stroke
> a few years back and cannot do a show.
>
> Earl Baldwin died a few years back as well.
>
> I liked Liebo, and I liked Bill Strauss (and I am fairly
> conservative)
>
> Dayle is still on, but he has Z list guests hawking bad
> conspiracy books, Simonds is vanilla as hell, Young is an
> arrogant jerk, Jacobs is unlistenable.
>
> But, for a laugh, there is always Matt "thanks for the radio
> station, Dad!" Gerson. His complete lack of talent,
> substance and usefullness makes for a great unintentional
> laugh.
>
 
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