What happened to the 94.1 thread?

[purpledevil]

Where did you study law? I'd like to know so I can tell people where not to enroll.

I'm sure Lance politely asked for his copyrighted material to be removed. As the copyright holder, he has every right to do that, even if you don't think he does. That's the law. He may well have politely hinted that he would bring a lawsuit against Streamline if it wasn't removed.

I suspect that, if Frank had not complied, Lance would have then asked for the identity of the person who posted the copyrighted material. Even if just an e-mail address or IP, he could have then checked his own database and the person who violated the copyright would likely get his account cancelled, with no refund.

If you were that person, would you then scream that Lance didn't have the right to kick you out?

This conversation is between David and myself. No interjection is desired, nor required, from an individual such as yourself.

 

[purpledevil]

This conversation is between David and myself. No interjection is desired, nor required, from an individual such as yourself.

BTW, that's strike two Kimbo. Go for three, and all those young green horns that have tried to take you to task are going to learn first-hand how it's done. I've done my homework on you, same as I have others that made a career out of the broadcast industry. It gives me the leg up in who to speak with on this forum (and others) to further educate myself in the medium that I too enjoy and love.


You sir, are not in the David Eduardo, Big A, Michael Hagerty league. Heck, you couldn't even hold an extraordinarily talented jock like John Davis's mic. No law degree needed to see that glaringly apparent fact. Get over your complex already. The biggest portion of us were all dorks from our school days way back when, clear through our adulthood, and we dealt with a lot of the same teases you did growing up. Trying to make up for it in this stage of your life makes you look a kiddish man, at best. Ironic, it appears the K.M. initials indeed suit you well.

 

[davideduardo]

A single copy, David, that could feasibly go through thousands of people's hands if it were passed along from person to person. Just look how many people touch and read a single copy of the paper in a day at, say, the doctor's office.

But the principle of law is that a newspaper remains a single copy, and the purchase price grants the right to do anything you want with it except make copies of facsimiles.It is the principal by which book publishers sell to libraries, too. But taking digital data and distributing essentially unlimited copies to unlimited users is not upheld under the law. As BigA stated, this is the same issue as that which killed the original download sites like Napster. In that case, folks bought a CD, ripped it and put the tracks online for free download. The courts upheld the ownership of the copyright holders to prevent this and awarded damages.

 

[purpledevil]

But the principle of law is that a newspaper remains a single copy, and the purchase price grants the right to do anything you want with it except make copies of facsimiles.It is the principal by which book publishers sell to libraries, too. But taking digital data and distributing essentially unlimited copies to unlimited users is not upheld under the law. As BigA stated, this is the same issue as that which killed the original download sites like Napster. In that case, folks bought a CD, ripped it and put the tracks online for free download. The courts upheld the ownership of the copyright holders to prevent this and awarded damages.

I did not know that digital media was held to a different standard. Of course, I'm a little old to have ever dealt with the Napster saga, my word David, most of my music library is still on vinyl and cassette decks. Of course, it's all copied to disk drives these days, but nothing beats the sound of a 45 with a needle extracting its every note (and scratch, ha!) to me.

So, let me ask you this. Wouldn't the recording and copying of OTA broadcasts from years past fall under this umbrella as well? We have, over the years, traded other people's work that we didn't own for other airchecks we didn't have, both for profit and, if the person was well known and liked, as a kind gesture. How does aircheck collecting fit in to this copyright law?

 

[K.M. Richards]

This conversation is between David and myself. No interjection is desired, nor required, from an individual such as yourself.

No, sir.

If it is in a public forum it cannot be only between two people.

 

[davideduardo]

So, let me ask you this. Wouldn't the recording and copying of OTA broadcasts from years past fall under this umbrella as well? We have, over the years, traded other people's work that we didn't own for other airchecks we didn't have, both for profit and, if the person was well known and liked, as a kind gesture. How does aircheck collecting fit in to this copyright law?

Radio stations seldom copyright their programming. However the music is copyrighted, and separately protected. That's why the aircheck site, reelradio.com, had to edit the full music versions of songs out of unscoped airchecks recently. But that was because the airchecks were openly distributed on the Internet.

The FCC has regulations prohibiting the re-transmission without authorization of received broadcasts (c.f. WKYN / Mayoral from about 1963 where a station in PR rebroadcast sports from AFRS broadcasts without consent and nearly lost its license). That applied to tape delayed rebroadcasts, too.

 

[Kent]

But the principle of law is that a newspaper remains a single copy, and the purchase price grants the right to do anything you want with it except make copies of facsimiles.It is the principal by which book publishers sell to libraries, too.

I believe this is commonly referred to as the "Doctrine of First Sale." I seem to remember there was a court case involving said doctrine when someone was buying college textbooks more cheaply overseas and reselling them here at lower prices than bookstores were selling them. I'm not exactly sure how it was decided, but I'm pretty sure it didn't affect the vast majority of cases here.

 

[TheBigA]

I did not know that digital media was held to a different standard.

Digital media is held to a different standard by virtue of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, signed almost 20 years ago.

 

[TheBroadcastBully]

Just checking in guys...here eating leftovers,watching football and listening to Energy.

 

[purpledevil]

...and listening to Energy.

I would hope so, lol. Makes for a much better show when you're listening to what you're doing.

 

[Anonymouse]

Energy must be on it's way then. Unless you have an aircheck from KXTJ-LP's EDM days...