At first I thought she might be on vacation, especially after I heard the station's program director doing the news. However checking out Legends website this morning there is no photo or mention of Yvonne teaming up with Mark. I know there has been criticism of the morning team by some posters on here; could those negative comments had any impact?
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What Happened to Yvonne at Legends?
- Thread starter The Voice of Reason
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The Voice of Reason said:
I checked out the website and it says "Mornings with Scott." I think Mark is the afternoon drive announcer.
As for Yvonne, remember the old broadcasting addage; missing picture on website means person no longer works there.
Thanks for correcting my mistake. Scott is the morning announcer. It appears that, at least for the timebeing, he's going solo, unless Legends is in the process of 'tweaking' the station's line-up.
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cee said:
I've never had the pleasure of listening to Legends, but if it's as you've described......
WOW!!!.
Is it being programmed by Prof. Irwin Corey?
More like Alfred E. Neuman ;Dalw said:
While the station is trying to combine personality with songs from the 50's 60s, and 70s, the problem with the format is that the music is repetitious.
Some of the announcers sound okay, others need voice coaching, and while there are those who you can tell it’s their first radio gig. I say all this not to be negative because I do listen to the station while on the road, and in my office and find it enjoyable.
Element9 said:
I'm waiting for Gene Simmons followed by Lawrence Welk.
Red Foley and Kitty Wells, followed by Frankie Goes To Hollywood.
Looooove the l965 PAMS Radio-A-Go-Go jingles, which sound so cool going into Orchestral Maneouvres In The Dark.
Jack for the over-60 crowd? That implies that the playlist culture-shock is intentional.....
The 4.5 kHz-restricted-for-IBOC bandwidth is objectionable. Mud city. I heard Taylor's "You've Got A Friend" on 990, a song which I have personally intro'ed or backsold on-air probably 1500 times over the past 30 eyars. I had to listen for a good 10 seconds before I could identify it, it was so muffled.
Looooove the l965 PAMS Radio-A-Go-Go jingles, which sound so cool going into Orchestral Maneouvres In The Dark.
Jack for the over-60 crowd? That implies that the playlist culture-shock is intentional.....
The 4.5 kHz-restricted-for-IBOC bandwidth is objectionable. Mud city. I heard Taylor's "You've Got A Friend" on 990, a song which I have personally intro'ed or backsold on-air probably 1500 times over the past 30 eyars. I had to listen for a good 10 seconds before I could identify it, it was so muffled.
Regarding "Broadway on Legends", station General Manager Robert Hammond is obviously a Broadway musical fan of the first magnitude. From the testimonials on the Legends website regarding the Broadway program, comments from Broadway actors including Liza Minelli, one can only surmise that Robert is using the show to gain favor and entree to those actors and actresses that he holds in such high esteem.
Good for Robert! Not so good as far as radio programming! Looks like he's letting his love for the Broadway musical genre get in he way of his business decisions. Too bad.
Good for Robert! Not so good as far as radio programming! Looks like he's letting his love for the Broadway musical genre get in he way of his business decisions. Too bad.
I had a chance to listen to WLGZ earlier in the week while working a job in Clarence and wasn't impressed with what I heard. It's hard to find merit in the erratic blend of pop standards and oldies heard on 990, especially while CHWO and other stations are relatively fresh in our memories; for Rochester, WBBF, for Buffalo, Oldies 104.
Although the WLGZ RF signal was strong, the assessment of Bob Savage regarding the station's audio was dead on: Squishy and without any sparkle. And those jingles? Feh! They're nearly parody material on the scale of The Simpsons.
How can a station justify playing a song the nature of "Cab Driver" by the Mills Brothers followed by a song like "Don't You Care" by the Buckinghams? It's bloody folly! And a Show Tunes block in the middle of afternoon drive on Friday when any self-respecting oldies or standards station would be setting the foundation for its feature weekend?
Fish or cut bait, WLGZ. And if you're in need of a qualified consultant with a good track record in oldies, he can be found in Buffalo programming a news-talk station.
No, not Tim Wenger.
Although the WLGZ RF signal was strong, the assessment of Bob Savage regarding the station's audio was dead on: Squishy and without any sparkle. And those jingles? Feh! They're nearly parody material on the scale of The Simpsons.
How can a station justify playing a song the nature of "Cab Driver" by the Mills Brothers followed by a song like "Don't You Care" by the Buckinghams? It's bloody folly! And a Show Tunes block in the middle of afternoon drive on Friday when any self-respecting oldies or standards station would be setting the foundation for its feature weekend?
Fish or cut bait, WLGZ. And if you're in need of a qualified consultant with a good track record in oldies, he can be found in Buffalo programming a news-talk station.
No, not Tim Wenger.
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On the other end of the scale, reading posts from Savage and Radknowski, do songs from 80s era groups like Orchestral Maneuvers In The Dark fit with songs from James Taylor or the Buckinghams? Are the 80s compatible with the 60s? Combination like this happen from time to time on WJYE and WHTT. 97 Rock mixes 60s songs like the Kink's "You Really Got Me" with "Jump" from Van Halen. Maybe this is more acceptable in rock formats than it is in oldies? Aside from Legends, could an FM station mix songs from the 60s, 70s and 80s and be successful: For example, "If You Leave" by OMD, followed by "Fire and Rain" by James Taylor and then "Good Lovin'" by the Rascals? Or is that too mixed up?
Okay, WLGZ people. Not trying to be offensive here about your programming. I salute you for trying to execute a music format on a local station. But, here comes the unsolicited input from your message-board consultant.
There is a massive difference in cultural appeal and visceral "sound" between 80s pop hits and those from the 60s and 70s. That's why OMD doesn't fit with Taylor or The Young Rascals, but the latter two fit together. Once synthesizers and drum machines and certain vocal techniques became the norm, the core "sound" changed and you can't mix hit tunes from different eras within a single format. WLGZ misses this.
Vaughan Monroe's "Ghost Riders In The Sky" in 1948, "High Hopes" from Frank Sinatra and anything from Elvis in the late 50s, and "For Your Love" by the Yardbirds were all huge chart hits within a time span of 20 years. But you can't program them together. At least not if you want to be taken seriously. Another example: I'm a huge fan of PAMS jingles from the company's golden era in the 60s, but they only work if used in a certain context. XM's Sixties On Six oldies channel utilizes PAMS' "Fun Vibrations" series from 1969 correctly. They're integral to the overall sound and are fun to hear. WLGZ's "Radio A-Go-Go" series is too old, too cartoony and doesn't mix with what the station's trying to do with its sound.
A good format-radio programmer is very much an artist. The bandwidth is his/her canvas. WLGZ went out and bought a Paint-By-Numbers kit at KayBee and handed it to an announcer. You get colors and shapes but they don't really work together. Or look like anything in the real world. Same for the station's "sound."
Good effort. Try again!
There is a massive difference in cultural appeal and visceral "sound" between 80s pop hits and those from the 60s and 70s. That's why OMD doesn't fit with Taylor or The Young Rascals, but the latter two fit together. Once synthesizers and drum machines and certain vocal techniques became the norm, the core "sound" changed and you can't mix hit tunes from different eras within a single format. WLGZ misses this.
Vaughan Monroe's "Ghost Riders In The Sky" in 1948, "High Hopes" from Frank Sinatra and anything from Elvis in the late 50s, and "For Your Love" by the Yardbirds were all huge chart hits within a time span of 20 years. But you can't program them together. At least not if you want to be taken seriously. Another example: I'm a huge fan of PAMS jingles from the company's golden era in the 60s, but they only work if used in a certain context. XM's Sixties On Six oldies channel utilizes PAMS' "Fun Vibrations" series from 1969 correctly. They're integral to the overall sound and are fun to hear. WLGZ's "Radio A-Go-Go" series is too old, too cartoony and doesn't mix with what the station's trying to do with its sound.
A good format-radio programmer is very much an artist. The bandwidth is his/her canvas. WLGZ went out and bought a Paint-By-Numbers kit at KayBee and handed it to an announcer. You get colors and shapes but they don't really work together. Or look like anything in the real world. Same for the station's "sound."
Good effort. Try again!
Allow me to be the contrarian here. On a few Saturday afternoons during the late winter and early spring, I tuned in the Legend's web stream and found it extremely enjoyable. I heard Bobby Vinton's "Melody of Love" for the first time in 30 years! Now, I wouldn't want to hear it five times a day. And I don't tune in enough to address the concerns some of you have about repetition. But I will say this. Many on this board justifiably criticize the sameness and blandness of today's corporate radio. So, here's a radio station that's breaking the rules. And we're criticizing that! So what if the music is all over the place! It's a refreshing change. A Broadway show on Friday? Go for it, man, if that's what you like. Believe me, there are people out there who enjoy that music and will tune in. The jingles are fine. I especially like the top of the hour jingle. It brings back memories of the jingles WYSL in Buffalo ran at the top of the hour 35 years ago. In any event, if Crawford is able to sell it and make money, more power to them. If advertisers don't feel it's a good buy, the owners will be forced to make changes. But I'm one radio guy who finds Legends refreshing.
Phil, you are one of the most thoughtful posters on the board and your takes often set the bar for rational thought. This having been said, I respectfully disagree with your post.
I concede with your contention that we often bwitch and moan here about the wretched sameness of radio, regardless of the format. (It is, afterall, our charge to do so.) And as far as personal taste goes, you're entitled to listen to what interests and intrigues you. Hell, a few weeks ago I listened to a medical pod cast about repairing a torn scrotum, only because a Google search for information on testicular cancer found the podcast. I was intrigued. I listened. I won't be listening again. Fact is, i just checked. The podcast isn't up there any longer.
But I (as usual) digress.
What Legends is doing is taking variety and depth to an unreasoned Bizzarro World extreme. Savage points out the inconsistencies of sound and appeal that plague WLGZ, which by the way is quite a nice set of call letters, although it brings to mind ZZ Top's quintessential bar buzz song, "Legs." And Svage's "paint by numbers" analogy is a good one.
Who says you can't play "Harbor Lights" next to "Hungry" or "Hungry Like The Wolf?"
The listeners. They just don't get it.
Take "Harry from Avon" who has fond memories of strolling, back in the day, with his darlin' accompanied by "Harbor Lights." He hears the song and he's transmogrified to another time. (Gimme a dollar for using that word at least halfway coherently.) And then what happens to poor Harry after "Harbor Lights?" He gets wacked by Duran Duran, "Hungry Like The Wolf," with the chick laughing on the intro and breathing heavily during the bridge as if she's being... ummm... chased by wolves.
Duran Duran = Not good Not good.
On the other hand, you might get Sheila who was Sweet 16 now working on 38 (the underlying theme of Bob Segere's "Rock n Roll Never Forgets".) She had green hair in the 80's and knew every Duran Duran song ever made. By some cosmic freak accident of nature, she stumbles upon the AM band, hears "Hungry like The Wolf," digs it and she's in the mood for "The Reflex." Then what does she hear? Paul Revere and the Raiders, "Hungry!"
That ain't workin.
So, while radio goofs like us might cut a little slack for a station like WLGZ, the average consumer just doesn't get it.
WLGZ's smorgasbord format is like going to Dairy Queen for a cone, checking the flavors of the day board and seeing "Cabbage" listed as one of the flavors. Cabbage ice cream. What the hell is that?
Maybe, just maybe, the customer is adventuresome and tries it, but after two bites, he/she is not likin' it and he/she will NEVER gonna order it again. They trash the cone, wish they could get their money back and know for sure that the next time they step up to order, it's gonna get something they (1) recognize and (2) can digest.
Radio being free, there's no money involved, so they just turn away and think, "That was strange... won't be goin' back for seconds."
Jack, Mike, Frank and Fickle offer a flavor of the day list that includes "strawberry watermelon" or "cherry chocolate." Their customers have a better idea of what the cones will taste like. If they buy them, they're likely to finish the whole cone and not walk away thinking they wasted their 3 bucks.
Not so with Legends 990. It's cabbage.
I concede with your contention that we often bwitch and moan here about the wretched sameness of radio, regardless of the format. (It is, afterall, our charge to do so.) And as far as personal taste goes, you're entitled to listen to what interests and intrigues you. Hell, a few weeks ago I listened to a medical pod cast about repairing a torn scrotum, only because a Google search for information on testicular cancer found the podcast. I was intrigued. I listened. I won't be listening again. Fact is, i just checked. The podcast isn't up there any longer.
But I (as usual) digress.
What Legends is doing is taking variety and depth to an unreasoned Bizzarro World extreme. Savage points out the inconsistencies of sound and appeal that plague WLGZ, which by the way is quite a nice set of call letters, although it brings to mind ZZ Top's quintessential bar buzz song, "Legs." And Svage's "paint by numbers" analogy is a good one.
Who says you can't play "Harbor Lights" next to "Hungry" or "Hungry Like The Wolf?"
The listeners. They just don't get it.
Take "Harry from Avon" who has fond memories of strolling, back in the day, with his darlin' accompanied by "Harbor Lights." He hears the song and he's transmogrified to another time. (Gimme a dollar for using that word at least halfway coherently.) And then what happens to poor Harry after "Harbor Lights?" He gets wacked by Duran Duran, "Hungry Like The Wolf," with the chick laughing on the intro and breathing heavily during the bridge as if she's being... ummm... chased by wolves.
Duran Duran = Not good Not good.
On the other hand, you might get Sheila who was Sweet 16 now working on 38 (the underlying theme of Bob Segere's "Rock n Roll Never Forgets".) She had green hair in the 80's and knew every Duran Duran song ever made. By some cosmic freak accident of nature, she stumbles upon the AM band, hears "Hungry like The Wolf," digs it and she's in the mood for "The Reflex." Then what does she hear? Paul Revere and the Raiders, "Hungry!"
That ain't workin.
So, while radio goofs like us might cut a little slack for a station like WLGZ, the average consumer just doesn't get it.
WLGZ's smorgasbord format is like going to Dairy Queen for a cone, checking the flavors of the day board and seeing "Cabbage" listed as one of the flavors. Cabbage ice cream. What the hell is that?
Maybe, just maybe, the customer is adventuresome and tries it, but after two bites, he/she is not likin' it and he/she will NEVER gonna order it again. They trash the cone, wish they could get their money back and know for sure that the next time they step up to order, it's gonna get something they (1) recognize and (2) can digest.
Radio being free, there's no money involved, so they just turn away and think, "That was strange... won't be goin' back for seconds."
Jack, Mike, Frank and Fickle offer a flavor of the day list that includes "strawberry watermelon" or "cherry chocolate." Their customers have a better idea of what the cones will taste like. If they buy them, they're likely to finish the whole cone and not walk away thinking they wasted their 3 bucks.
Not so with Legends 990. It's cabbage.
Element9 said:
I would respectfully disagree with the honorable E9 on just one point - in a very unscientific sampling of one "average consumer" (that being my 60-something mom, who's not at all a radio person, her offspring to the contrary) and one "semi-average consumer" (that being my wife, who has worked in the biz but is not obsessive about it like all of us), WLGZ-FM/AM in its current incarnation appears to be working, somehow.
I say this because we're down one car (the wife's) in the household, which means that she's been using my car quite a bit, and every time I get in it now, the radio's on either 102.7 or 107.7. (Yes, the Lake has at least a small audience over here in Rochester.) And when I had to borrow mom's car for a bit last week, both the "FM1" and "FM2" bands were set to 102.7, and I was warned sternly against "messing with my buttons so I can't find Legends when I get the car back." (Mom was a regular WLGZ listener in its earlier, standards-heavy incarnation on 990, also.)
Why is Legends' mix of oldies, standards and approximately three jingles working for them? I'll have to ask. Stay tuned.
Fybush said:
Honorable? Well, I've never! (insert appropriate emoticon here) What a wicked sense of humor you have, Mr. Fybush!
Y'know... I can understand some people actually liking the Can Of Worms mash-ups on Legends, in a way they're so bad that they become kind of a "I can't wait to hear what they'll play next" game.
What I find interesting is the number of posters who have responded. Personally I like the idea of having live, local personalities on Legends. As for the music, yes it does need to be fixed, and I’m hoping that eventually that will happen, especially if Legends wants their TSL numbers to increase.
Unfortunately I don’t have a radio at work so I have to listen to the station over the internet and there are days when their streaming doesn’t work.
If the folks who run Legends are reading these posts I hope that they understand that there are a number of us “regulars” on this board who hope that your station proves to be a success because your format is what many of us current, and former broadcasters worked with when we started out in the business years ago.
Everyone talks about returning to “personality radio” and here is a golden opportunity to prove to the corporate mega companies that this format can work if given the chance. But in order for it to work, it has to be programmed correctly.
And finally my personal observation. If your format targets "boomers" then give serious thought to the idea of having drive time news on your station. Having your program director, or morning host reading wire copy or the newspaper isn't the way to go.
Unfortunately I don’t have a radio at work so I have to listen to the station over the internet and there are days when their streaming doesn’t work.
If the folks who run Legends are reading these posts I hope that they understand that there are a number of us “regulars” on this board who hope that your station proves to be a success because your format is what many of us current, and former broadcasters worked with when we started out in the business years ago.
Everyone talks about returning to “personality radio” and here is a golden opportunity to prove to the corporate mega companies that this format can work if given the chance. But in order for it to work, it has to be programmed correctly.
And finally my personal observation. If your format targets "boomers" then give serious thought to the idea of having drive time news on your station. Having your program director, or morning host reading wire copy or the newspaper isn't the way to go.
Nobody has answered my original question. What happened to Yvonne? Did she quit, or was she asked to leave?
"HUMPHH," Scott Fybush. "60-Something??"
Better SMILE when you type that. "60" is looming on the horizon for SOME of us.
My personal guess is that WLGZ "works" for some people simply because: it's not the homogeneous pap cranked out by the typical group-owned corporate-programmed station. It's DIFFERENT. This is less an endorsement of WLGZ's somewhat loopy programming, than it is a lesson for centrally focus-group programmed radio.
Which, of course, will be ignored rather than analyzed for what wisdom it might offer.
Better SMILE when you type that. "60" is looming on the horizon for SOME of us.
My personal guess is that WLGZ "works" for some people simply because: it's not the homogeneous pap cranked out by the typical group-owned corporate-programmed station. It's DIFFERENT. This is less an endorsement of WLGZ's somewhat loopy programming, than it is a lesson for centrally focus-group programmed radio.
Which, of course, will be ignored rather than analyzed for what wisdom it might offer.
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