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[93-3TheSurge]

Again, a great deal of analysis has gone into the conclusion that, on avedrage, 80% of a station's at home and at work listening takes place inside the 70 dbu contour, and 15% more inside the 64 dbu to 69 dbu contour. Simply put, there is not enough signal for listening inside structure once you leave the 64 dbu.

The dBu stats you put up mean absolutely nothing. The average listener isn't going to pull in a station and say, "this station isn't within the 64 dBu contour at the moment, so I am going to change the channel." Whether you are at home, at work, or in the car, you can pull in KBPA as far as Salado to the north and Floresville to the south. For example:

http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=KBPA&service=FM&status=L&hours=U

As long as it is inside the purple lines, it is a "usable" station. I think the coverage map listed above is for the crappy, $19.95 radio you would put in the office, because it seems pretty modest to me; I have been able to pull in KBPA from much greater distances than what the map indicates. Per the previous proposal, if the stick was in Hunter, it would probably reach as far north as Jarrell and as far south as Karnes City.

As far as the gas station proposal, that was sarcasm on my part, I thought that was pretty easy to see. Of course the Valero on Pat Booker and I-35 isn't going to buy ad space, but others who are wanting to cover both markets, such as Schlitterbahn, Sea World, Fiesta Texas, etc., most certainly would. As far as Honda (why does Honda keep coming up?) and other car dealerships are concerned, I don't see why they would not want to advertise because a radio station covers both Austin and San Antonio. Imagine the feeling a San Antonio dealer would have knowing that he can reach over 2 million people, or that he is making sales to Austinites and his competition isn't?

As far as the poor examples you gave about Riverside, San Bernardino and Los Angeles are concerned, how are these areas supposed to compare to Austin/San Antonio? Not only is this not a similar area, but just because something doesn't work in one area doesn't mean it won't work in another. You have to take chances, just as a previous poster in this thread pointed out. Moving a few sticks wouldn't be a nightmare as JD, my biggest fan, pointed out; it would be an experiment that might lead to greater success in the potential "metropolis" that is the Austin/San Antonio area.

 

[davideduardo]

The dBu stats you put up mean absolutely nothing. The average listener isn't going to pull in a station and say, "this station isn't within the 64 dBu contour at the moment, so I am going to change the channel."

But the study of millions of Arbitron listenening incidents in a variety of markets over nearly a decade shows that 80% of at home and at work listening to commercial FM stations (the only ones studied) occur within the 70 dbu contour and another 15% within the 64 dbu curves. What that really means is that listeners who don't get a station clearly and easily don't use it.

This also takes into account the laws of physics, and the characteristics of nearly all of the kind of radio used at home and on the job. Between the attenuation of walls and the nature of consumer radios, we can easily correlated listening with signal strength.

http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=KBPA&service=FM&status=L&hours=U

The usable contour for non-car reception (70% of all listening time) is justy slightly inside the innermost red contour on radio-locator. This, again, has been proven over years of mapping data in many markets. When you have such consistent and copious consumer data, there is no reason to believe that the data does not reflect the norm.

Per the previous proposal, if the stick was in Hunter, it would probably reach as far north as Jarrell and as far south as Karnes City.

Again, spacing requirements from co-channel stations (that means stations on the same frequency in other cities) and adjacent channels (200 kHz above and below the licenced channel) and second adjacent channels (400 kHz on either side) would likely not allow any station to move with a full facility to that location, and the 64 dbu would miss significant parts of each of the two markets.

As far as the gas station proposal, that was sarcasm on my part, I thought that was pretty easy to see.

For a while, I was hoping you would say the whole concept you present is tongue-in-cheek. Given that it is apparently not a spoof, there is no way anyone could guess that you were being sarcastic.

Of course the Valero on Pat Booker and I-35 isn't going to buy ad space,

Newspapers sell "space" and radio sells time or sells spots... but not space.

As far as Honda (why does Honda keep coming up?) and other car dealerships are concerned, I don't see why they would not want to advertise because a radio station covers both Austin and San Antonio. Imagine the feeling a San Antonio dealer would have knowing that he can reach over 2 million people, or that he is making sales to Austinites and his competition isn't?

Most people buy cars from the dealer of a particular brand closed to home. You know, service, relationship, ease, etc.

No station reaches 2 million people, nor would one that covered both markets.

As far as the poor examples you gave about Riverside, San Bernardino and Los Angeles are concerned, how are these areas supposed to compare to Austin/San Antonio?

It's "Riverside / San Bernardino" and it is a single, rated market, adjacent to another single, rated market and where many of the stations from the adjacent market put fully viable signals... yet nobody cares... not advertisers, not even the stations themselves. Radio is just not bought that way, and the example shows that even when another market's signals blanket another market, there is no economic benefit.

Not only is this not a similar area, but just because something doesn't work in one area doesn't mean it won't work in another. You have to take chances, just as a previous poster in this thread pointed out. Moving a few sticks wouldn't be a nightmare as JD, my biggest fan, pointed out; it would be an experiment that might lead to greater success in the potential "metropolis" that is the Austin/San Antonio area.

It would take a decade and the move of perhaps 75 or so stations to new sites or their reduction in power to make this kind of multi-station move happen... and just a few opposing filings by affected smaller market stations claiming that this is not in the public interest might stop it permanently. In any case probably no station could move right now without need to reduce height and power, and nobody is going to do that today in today's economy, even were it possible.

The real fact is that if any station wanted to simultaneously cover both market areas, they could have bought a second FM and simulcast... heck, they could have bought 3 or 4 and covered from Waco to the outskirts of Eagle Pass, if they wanted. It must be that there is and has never been any reason to spend the money to do this... or someone would have done it.

 

[93-3TheSurge]

The usable contour for non-car reception (70% of all listening time) is justy slightly inside the innermost red contour on radio-locator. This, again, has been proven over years of mapping data in many markets. When you have such consistent and copious consumer data, there is no reason to believe that the data does not reflect the norm.

http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=KBPA&service=FM&status=L&hours=U

As far as limiting "usable contour" to what's inside the red contour on the aforementioned map, wow. You have a vast knowledge about radio, and you write very well, but to limit "usable countour" to what is inside the red, well, you are waaaaaaay off. The purple, sure, that is pretty accurate. But the red? That is just ridiculous. Give the crappy "Craig" radio someone just bought at K-Mart for $14.99 more credit.

I'm not the one who started this thread; there are several others here who agree with me. I invite you to go back and start reading from page one. This is a brilliant idea started by Prodigy3, and maybe one of the reasons it hasn't been done is because San Antonio and Austin have never been this close together, in terms of their outskirts expanding and the growth of New Braunfels and San Marcos in between. Another reason it hasn't been done is because no one has a thought of it. And yet another reason is a radio corp has wanted to, but hasn't taken the risk.

No station reaches 2 million people, nor would one that covered both markets.

A station that moved its stick to Hunter and had the power of 96kW and an HAAT of 338 meters would. San Antonio has 1.9 million alone, so I guess it would be closer to 3 million if you add Austin and the surrounding areas.

It would take a decade and the move of perhaps 75 or so stations to new sites or their reduction in power to make this kind of multi-station move happen.

75 stations? Now that is an exaggeration. If you brought six or seven sticks to Hunter, that wouldn't change the landscape all that much. There are a few stations in the Austin/San Antonio area that wouldn't be able to participate, but again, as I mentioned when I started contributing to this thread, only six or seven from Austin and San Antonio combined would be apart of the two-city effort.

96.7 could participate, but 98.5 The Beat from San Antonio would not, because there is a 98.5 translator in Austin and a station in Cameron, TX that could be interfered with. 99.5 KISS may not be able to participate because it could interfere with 99.5 in Bryan/College Station, but KTXN 107.5 could, as there is no radio stations within 150 miles of Hunter, TX with that frequency.

101X would have to arrange something with the LPFM station in Kerrville, similar to what KTXX 104-9 did with the 104.9 in La Grange, asking them to shift their antenna to another direction. Arrangements like that happen often. Mix 94.7 would be able to move their stick to Hunter, TX with no problem, because there isn't a radio station with the same frequency within 130 miles of Hunter.

You see how easy that was? It wasn't a nightmare as my biggest fan JD pointed out, all I did was go to radio-locator.com, scrolled down to the bottom, typed in the number of miles I wanted to find a certain frequency from Hunter, and just like that, you are able to tell which stations would be on top of another if it were moved, and which stations wouldn't be effected by such a move.

 

[fredcantu]

The purple, sure, that is pretty accurate. But the red? That is just ridiculous. Give the crappy "Craig" radio someone just bought at K-Mart for $14.99 more credit.

93-3, You remind me of the station that hired an outside audio engineer who spent hours overnight tweaking the audio chain only to have the morning guy come in and redo the settings by ear because he didn't like the way it sounded to him.

 

[beaun]

It's amazing that a truly educated radio person that would take the time to share real-world insight would get argued with on this thread.

'933', your suggestion that 94.7 would/could move to Hunter to serve San Antonio illustrates your lack of understanding. KAMX used to share a tower sight with KBPA, and DID show up in the San Antonio ratings. But they were not happy with the Austin signal, and thru some creative engineering and considerable cost were able to move to the hill in Austin. I'm sure KBPA would love to be on the hill in Austin too and not in the middle of some field in Kyle.

 

[davideduardo]

As far as limiting "usable contour" to what's inside the red contour on the aforementioned map, wow. You have a vast knowledge about radio, and you write very well, but to limit "usable countour" to what is inside the red, well, you are waaaaaaay off. The purple, sure, that is pretty accurate. But the red? That is just ridiculous.

First, before getting carried away, the rado-locator.com site is labled plainly on each page as being for amusement and entetainment purposes only. The innermost contour is apparently the 60 dbu, the second is the 54 and the outer one is likely the 40, based on guessing on my part.

The FCC has written an explanation of contours, and it is pretty much in the sense of "the 70 is where all kinds of radios in almost every situation can hear a station. The 60 is where most car radios and some portables and home devices can, in the right situation, hear a sation. The 54 dbu is an administrative market, and in the cases of some kinds of facilities, is the extent to which a station will be protected from interference by another licensed station; in other classes, the 60 may be the limit of protection.

So, for all practical purposes, the radio-info map can be labled as the inner contour indicating where home devices, portables and car radios will all hear the station, subject to terrain. The middle curve is the practical limit for enjoyable car radio reception. The outer curve is where geeky posters to radio-info.com with hearing that is not bothered by interference and multipath and fading will sometimes pick up a station that nobody else in thier right mind would give a monent's listening time to.

[/quote]...and maybe one of the reasons it hasn't been done is because San Antonio and Austin have never been this close together, in terms of their outskirts expanding and the growth of New Braunfels and San Marcos in between. Another reason it hasn't been done is because no one has a thought of it. And yet another reason is a radio corp has wanted to, but hasn't taken the risk. [/quote]

The main reason this has not been done is that radio is all about the benjamins. In other words, nobody can show us the money.

No station reaches 2 million people, nor would one that covered both markets.

A station that moved its stick to Hunter and had the power of 96kW and an HAAT of 338 meters would. San Antonio has 1.9 million alone, so I guess it would be closer to 3 million if you add Austin and the surrounding areas.

You are confusing coverage with reach, also called "cume". Reach is a precise industry term (as in "reach and frequency") and indicats the number of different people who tune a station each week. Coverage is just the land mass and the population living on it that a signal covers with a particular field strength.

No station in SA reaches 2,000,000 persons a week. No station in Dallas, for that matter, does.

It would take a decade and the move of perhaps 75 or so stations to new sites or their reduction in power to make this kind of multi-station move happen.

75 stations? Now that is an exaggeration. If you brought six or seven sticks to Hunter, that wouldn't change the landscape all that much.

To move 6 or 7 stations there would have a snowball effect, with each one impacting one or more cochannel stations, as well as anywhere between 4 and 8 adjacent and next adjacents at minimum. In most cases, the impact would require all the stations to change location, power, height, etc. In today's NIMBY invironment, trying to move one site may require over a dozen permits... and citizen opposition even in the seemingly least attractive locations is usually a problem, too.

96.7 could participate, but 98.5 The Beat from San Antonio would not, because there is a 98.5 translator in Austin and a station in Cameron, TX that could be interfered with. 99.5 KISS may not be able to participate because it could interfere with 99.5 in Bryan/College Station, but KTXN 107.5 could, as there is no radio stations within 150 miles of Hunter, TX with that frequency.

You have done an engineering study for all the 15 channels involved? Did you know that translators are subject to full station moves and upgrades? Please look at KXTN again... and the 5 separate channels it has to respect and protect. .

You see how easy that was? It wasn't a nightmare as my biggest fan JD pointed out, all I did was go to radio-locator.com, scrolled down to the bottom, typed in the number of miles I wanted to find a certain frequency from Hunter, and just like that, you are able to tell which stations would be on top of another if it were moved, and which stations wouldn't be effected by such a move.

You failed to take into account the adjacent and next adjacents for each station, as well as terrain, zoning, costs, loss of service, etc.

Nobody is going to lose listenable signal in thier original market to put a bad signal over part of another market.

 

[jd]

You see how easy that was? It wasn't a nightmare as my biggest fan JD pointed out, all I did was go to radio-locator.com, scrolled down to the bottom, typed in the number of miles I wanted to find a certain frequency from Hunter, and just like that, you are able to tell which stations would be on top of another if it were moved, and which stations wouldn't be effected by such a move.

A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. Let me repeat myself:

(Details of the "plan" I mentioned, if you'd like to research it, can be found at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/proceeding/view?name=00-148 )

I'm guessing you didn't bother to look into that. It would give you an idea of the complexity of a massive reallocation which directly involved stations in Austin and San Antonio. And there's more. This is a link to a later addition, which sought to revise some of the original proposals, and it's another chance for you to grasp some understanding:

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/proceeding/view?name=05-112

Moving a few sticks wouldn't be a nightmare as JD, my biggest fan, pointed out; it would be an experiment that might lead to greater success in the potential "metropolis" that is the Austin/San Antonio area.

What I see here is a person who likes to latch onto a preposterous idea and run with it, all the while ignoring reasonable statements backed by years of research. There are those that come here to converse and hopefully learn from discussion and there are a few who come here for no other reason than to advance their own agenda and to argue with anyone who disagrees.

I probably should regret the fact that I have wasted time responding to your inane remarks. If ever there was a person whose posts deserved to be moved to Take It Outside where they could argue to their heart's content, you are it.

The outer curve is where geeky posters to radio-info.com with hearing that is not bothered by interference and multipath and fading will sometimes pick up a station that nobody else in their right mind would give a moment's listening time to.

David, clearly you are a much more patient person than I am.

 

[davideduardo]

David, clearly you are a much more patient person than I am.

Nah, I am just annoyingly argumentative.

I do agree, though, with your assesment of the patient: terminal.

 

[Kabrich]

What if (in many years from now) San Antonio and Austin became one market, it's possible especially with the growth of Austin's Southern Suburbs (San Marcos, Buda, Kyle) and San Antonio's Northern Suburbs (New Braunfels, Schertz, Smithson Valley etc).... What do you think would happen to our media outlets here in Southern Central Texas, just using imagination.

It's not possible - nor will it be no matter how vivid your imagination might be - especially if one understands what makes up a market.

 

[grantchester]

My ears were burning, then I found this:

The outer curve is where geeky posters to radio-info.com with hearing that is not bothered by interference and multipath and fading will sometimes pick up a station that nobody else in their right mind would give a monent's listening time to.

Guilty as charged! Back before S.A. had an NPR station, I had a 12 foot mast on a rotator on the two story duplex near Hildebrand Avenue, so I could pick up KUT. Every time a jet flew into the airport, the signal would fade out.

I remember when I was growing up, on S.A.'s northeast side, and one day KRMH popped in. I made an effort to listen to it whenever I could, but even with the transmitter just 60 miles away, it was intermittent at best and completely gone a lot of the time. Still, I thought at the time it would be a great thing, to have a station that could cover both markets. Little did I know how much trouble 103.7 had just covering Austin. From Round Rock to Somerset Road is more than 120 miles. Any transmitter element high enough to reach both would suffer regular tropo interference, and skip over much of the intended audience. Besides, with the internet in your car, who cares what crummy corporate radio station is on the air any more?

 

[davideduardo]

Guilty as charged! Back before S.A. had an NPR station, I had a 12 foot mast on a rotator on the two story duplex near Hildebrand Avenue, so I could pick up KUT. Every time a jet flew into the airport, the signal would fade out.

That would not be the airport that has / had painted on the wall near the outer market the pleasant phrase, "Welcome to Texas, home of Ole' Sparky. 238 customers served."

Ah, that would be Austin, a different market.

Not exactly a Burma-Shave sign.

Besides, with the internet in your car, who cares what crummy corporate radio station is on the air any more?

And that is what we should be concerned about; it's an opportunity to get away from radio's dead idea that it is in the transmitter business rather than the content business.

If all the time spent on HD had been spent on new channels of distribution... (complete this sentence). Prizes for the best entry, void in Nebraska (just kidding... they cut prizes out of the budget.)

 

[grantchester]

radio's dead idea that it is in the transmitter business rather than the content business.

this.

 

[93-3TheSurge]

There are those that come here to converse and hopefully learn from discussion and there are a few who come here for no other reason than to advance their own agenda and to argue with anyone who disagrees.

It's my #1 fan!!! How are you doing today, JD?

That is exactly what I am doing, I am conversing, hoping to learn from the discussions that I have with the great posters of radio-info, San Antonio/Austin addition. I just disagree with what you and DavidEduardo are posting, I believe that four to seven stations could move to Hunter and serve both SA and Austin as one, and do so with a "usable" signal. KBPA is doing it right now, this minute. Do I have magical powers? Am I the only one who can pick up this station in both cities, from the northside of Williamson County to the southside of Wilson County? Am I the only one that can do so whether I am in the car or using home stereo? NO!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyone can. I would invite you and DavidEduardo to give it a try.

And JD, if anyone's comments should be moved to TIO, its yours. I never once attacked your posts, I have respected your feedback and have never called them inane or proposterous, and you should treat my posts with the same respect. That's what makes the board so great, the right to disagree! There is no right or wrong answer here, if I want to disagree with the almighty, smartest guy in the room, DavidEduardo, that is my right. And as much as you would like to believe it, he isn't right, because there is no right or wrong answer. The only way to prove who is right and wrong would be for Mix 94.7, KXTN 107.5, etc., to move their sticks to Hunter and see if it becomes a success. Until that happens, are Win-Loss records remain 0-0.

I probably should regret the fact that I have wasted time responding to your inane remarks.

Inane? There is nothing empty about my remarks. I gave you the plan that would make this thing work, a solid plan that would put sticks at the halfway point of Austin and SA, then find the frequencies that are 130 miles clear of any other radio station with that frequency. You may not agree with it because you are blinded by "old school" techniques instead of trying something that could rock the very foundation of radio, a station that covers and unites two cities. This isn't 1968, JD, and the quicker you and everyone else who thinks like you are out of radio, the sooner it will be a successful industry again. I would encourage you to stop obsessing over DavidEduardo's posts and look at JimmyATX, Prodigy3, DomeniqueRadio, Wild949Austin, etc., posters who represent thousands of potential listeners who would love to listen to a station that covers two markets, two club scenes, two options.

Please look at KXTN again... and the 5 separate channels it has to respect and protect.

What five stations would it have to protect? There aren't any stations with the same frequency within 170 miles of Hunter. You have KGLK 107-5 in Lake Jackson/Houston which is 171 miles away, and KSJT in San Angelo, which is 188 miles west. As far as stations with neighboring frequencies, KLFX 107-3 is 92 miles to the north and has a very weak signal so it should not be affected, and then La Jefa, 107.7, 60 miles to the north and would still be able to cover what it expects to cover with no "crowding" effect.

The outer curve is where geeky posters to radio-info.com with hearing that is not bothered by interference and multipath and fading will sometimes pick up a station that nobody else in thier right mind would give a monent's listening time to.

For the first time, I agree with you. I enjoy attempting to pull in FM stations that are barely perceptible, and I don't expect others to do the same; however, that is not the case with KBPA. I have been able to pull in KBPA with a home, portable, and car radio anywhere inside the purple circle on the coverage map I've listed below. There is no interference, multipath, or fading, just a clear signal. I use KBPA because it is the best model for moving a station's tower to Hunter, TX. KBPA's tower is in Mountain City, which is 18 miles north of Hunter. Bringing the tower 18 miles southwest would give even better coverage to San Antonio. It would limit its "usable" signal to about Jarrell, TX, but again that is if you are using a home or portable radio, and I'm not real concerned with the area north of Williamson County.

http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=KBPA&service=FM&status=L&hours=U

 

[fredcantu]

93-3, Please read up on the different classes of FMs-- C0, C1, C2, etc...-- their tower height and power limitations, and their required protections to co-channels and 1st and 2nd adjacent channels before you suggest moving towers around. Great engineering minds have considered similar move-ins before realizing they were technically impossible under the current FCC rules. We learned from their mistakes. You need to do this, too.

 

[davideduardo]

93-3, Please read up on the different classes of FMs-- C0, C1, C2, etc...-- their tower height and power limitations, and their required protections to co-channels and 1st and 2nd adjacent channels before you suggest moving towers around. Great engineering minds have considered similar move-ins before realizing they were technically impossible under the current FCC rules. We learned from their mistakes. You need to do this, too.

Speaking of FMs and their class and their regulations, could you update us on what you know about the progress of the Mexican moves from AM to FM?

For those not following this (and along the border, it's probably important to follow) Mexico has created a plan where the bulk of AM stations can move to FM. The change is being implemented on a region by region bases, and per reports, all AMs in the fist zone, the 6 southeastern states, will move to FM.

 

[Kent]

I just disagree with what you and DavidEduardo are posting, I believe that four to seven stations could move to Hunter and serve both SA and Austin as one, and do so with a "usable" signal. KBPA is doing it right now, this minute. Do I have magical powers? Am I the only one who can pick up this station in both cities, from the northside of Williamson County to the southside of Wilson County? Am I the only one that can do so whether I am in the car or using home stereo? NO!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyone can. I would invite you and DavidEduardo to give it a try.

No, you're not the only one who can get KBPA in both markets. It meets the minimum reporting standards for both. However, I wouldn't say anyone could pick it up. If KBPA were viable in San Antonio, it would get better than a 0.7 in the ratings. Given the average listener's habits, 95% of that 0.7 San Antonio share is from listeners in Comal County. It's one thing for a signal to be listenable in a market; it's another for it to be viable.

My mother is a classic example of an average listener. She lives in midtown Tulsa, OK, and loves smooth jazz. I don't know how familiar you are with the Tulsa market, but there's a smooth jazz outlet licensed to Okemah at 103.7 with the call letters KOCD. She's listened to it with me in the car and says she likes the format and agrees the station has a great stereo sound. However, she's also said she'll never be a regular listener to the station because, "My seek won't stop on it. I don't want to try to get the station while driving. Besides, my clock radio won't pick it up."

In other words, radio isn't something most people will work at to enjoy. If the average listener can't hear KBPA by pushing the "seek" button, they're not going to listen to it, ever. Also, the poorest commonly used radio defines listening habits. Again, if the average listener can hear Bob FM on the Walkman only to find it drops out, has some static, or even doesn't have the sound quality of "Jack," that listener won't be back and won't listen to it on any radio.

 

[jd]

93-3, Please read up on the different classes of FMs-- C0, C1, C2, etc...-- their tower height and power limitations, and their required protections to co-channels and 1st and 2nd adjacent channels before you suggest moving towers around.

From the FCC website's FM Station Classes and Service Contours, located at www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/fmclasses.html
Protected Distance to Distance to
"Service" "Service" "City-Grade"
FM Class Max ERP Max HAAT Contour Contour 70dBu Contour

Class A 6.0 kW / 100 meters 60 dBu/1.0 mV/m 28.3 km 16.2 km
Class B1 25.0 kW / 100 meters 57 dBu/0.71 mV/m 44.7 km 23.2 km
Class B 50.0 kW / 150 meters 54 dBu/0.50 mV/m 65.1 km 32.6 km
Class C3 25.0 kW / 100 meters 60 dBu/1.0 mV/m 39.1 km 23.2 km
Class C2 50.0 kW / 150 meters 60 dBu/1.0 mV/m 52.2 km 32.6 km
Class C1 100.0 kW / 299 meters 60 dBu/1.0 mV/m 72.3 km 50.0 km
Class C0 100.0 kW / 450 meters 60 dBu/1.0 mV/m 83.4 km 59.0 km
Class C 100.0 kW / 600 meters 60 dBu/1.0 mV/m 91.8 km 67.7 km

Notes: Class B and B1 stations are authorized only in Zones I and I-A, which include the following states and areas: CA (south of 40° latitude), CT, DC, DE, IL, IN, MA, MD, coastal ME, MI (south of 43.5° latitude), NJ, NH (south of 43.5° latitude), NY (south of 43.5° latitude), OH, PA, PR, RI, northern & eastern VA, VI, VT (south of 43.5° latitude), southeastern WI, WV. Class C, C0, C1, C2, and C3 stations are not authorized in Zones I or I-A, but may be authorized elsewhere.

Minimum spacing requirements are at: www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/spacing/index.html

And for convenience: www.metric-conversions.org/length/kilometers-to-miles.htm

What five stations would it have to protect? There aren't any stations with the same frequency within 170 miles of Hunter. You have KGLK 107-5 in Lake Jackson/Houston which is 171 miles away, and KSJT in San Angelo, which is 188 miles west. As far as stations with neighboring frequencies, KLFX 107-3 is 92 miles to the north and has a very weak signal so it should not be affected, and then La Jefa, 107.7, 60 miles to the north and would still be able to cover what it expects to cover with no "crowding" effect.

Distance from KXTN (Class C0) at proposed site to various stations, in miles:

KHFI 96.7C1 Austin (IF channel) required 23, actual 38 CLEAR
KHLE 106.9A Kempner required 53, actual 89 CLEAR
KLZT 107.1C2 Bastrop required 55, actual 34 SHORT
KLFX 107.3A Nolanville required 94, actual 93 CLOSE/SHORT
KMVK 107.5C1 Fort Worth required 161, actual 201 CLEAR
KGLK 107.5C Lake Jackson required 175, actual 172 SHORT
KLJA 107.7C3 Georgetown required 101, actual 61 SHORT
KFAN 107.9C3 Johnson City required 54, actual 46 SHORT

[Location (Hunter TX) is within "border zone" and Mexican assignments must be taken into consideration per FCC Rules Sec. 73.207 Table C. Also note that any existing 73.215 contour protection spacing is not considered in the above study]

I would invite you and DavidEduardo to give it a try.

If David and I rode in the same car, I doubt "Bob" could get a word in edgewise. We'd be too busy talking radio the whole trip!

 

[willdav713]

They only way this is possible and I used to draw this in grade school I am such a nerd, back in 1991 I drew a Satelite Radio that was supposed to let listeners tune in every radio station in the country you would have the LED show 004 028 102.7 if you wanted to listen to KTFM in San Antonio and 009 054 102.1 If you wanted to listen to KMJQ in Houston. The radio station would be hooked up to a satelite which would beam their antenna to space and your box would be feed through either a dish or to the cable line like then Paragon Cable's Digital Music Express keep in mind this was before XM ever took off. The 004 would be the Largest City Number The 028 would be the Radio Market (this is not exact I just use this as an illustration) and then the radio frequency number 102.7. Now if the FCC were to patent and liscense that and require all radio stations to do such thing this would be practical, as cable networks have done this for years. One for mobile audio using the celluar network would be practical as well but much more expensive. But moving sticks is not practical. You want this to happen call your congressman and tell them to invest in this type of proposal Satelite FM and AM.

 

[willdav713]

KXTN is broadcasting on KLZTs Austin HD's stream. In fact their calls around midnight tuesday june 22nd said KXTN FM San Antonio KLZT-HD2 Austin, Tejano 107.5. Instead of the aboveforementioned satelite fm route, they could do this with HD but the same company would have to be in that particular city i.e. Univision San Antonio with Univision Austin.