What is going to happen to J93.3?

[bearevolutionary]

More people cut last week. What is going to happen? Has anyone heard?

 

[TheRealOtherNeil]

Rapture?

 

[RTibbs]

On the third day it will rise again in fulfillment of it's FCC obligation.

 

[X-14]

http://www.allaccess.com/net-news/a...aeffer-among-cuts-at-j93-3-atlanta?ref=search

 

[BIGSTICK]

I remember back in the mid to late 70s this was WFDR and it was a master blaster, awesome format with a full 100k signal that reached all of Metro Atlanta at that time. This is just a lost lamb now. They ought to simulcast WGUN....

 

[secondchoice]

Is the Fish's success hurting J93?

 

[BIGSTICK]

Is the Fish's success hurting J93?

Most definitely, the signal is basically a very weak rim shot now, only the far south suburbs can pick it up clearly. 27k cannot penetrate into the hash of Atlanta's sticks. Although they do have a CP to go to 88k but lower height, Not much difference ...???

 

[jaxradidio]

I don't see a sale...they're on a mission (which at this point is not dissimilar from Gen. Custer's). I do see piping in all content from maybe His Radio or KLOVE, or all voicetracked from talent in Greenville. Or, I suppose you could staff it using all amateur volunteers from area churches, although I don't know if you could do that ethically without going non-commercial.

 

[ngriffin]

Provident is connected with Radio Training Network, the non-profit that operates the His Radio stations in the Carolinas and Dothan, as well as the Joy FM stations in Florida.

 

[Rogue]

I remember back in the mid to late 70s this was WFDR and it was a master blaster, awesome format with a full 100k signal that reached all of Metro Atlanta at that time.

I'm interested to know what transpired to bring about the power downgrade after this time.

 

[RoddyFreeman]

I remember back in the mid to late 70s this was WFDR and it was a master blaster, awesome format with a full 100k signal that reached all of Metro Atlanta at that time.

I'm interested to know what transpired to bring about the power downgrade after this time.

There's no way WFDR could have covered all of metro Atlanta at 93.3 in the mid-to-late 70's because of WZGC at 92.9. The call letters suggest the former site near Manchester (and Warm Springs).

 

[Rogue]

I remember back in the mid to late 70s this was WFDR and it was a master blaster, awesome format with a full 100k signal that reached all of Metro Atlanta at that time.

I'm interested to know what transpired to bring about the power downgrade after this time.

There's no way WFDR could have covered all of metro Atlanta at 93.3 in the mid-to-late 70's because of WZGC at 92.9. The call letters suggest the former site near Manchester (and Warm Springs).

That's what I was also thinking, but I have no knowledge of the technical aspects and history of the license.

Was it in fact a 100k signal prior at one point, and if so, what happened to bring about the downgrade?

 

[jabba17]

WFDR may have been 100k, but it sure as heck did NOT cover the metro. Maybe Newnan and the SW quadrant. This was back in the day when I was DXing 97 FOX and Wide 107 (106.7), and occasionally 104.1 and 95.5 and [email protected] in the northern tip of DeKalb, as well as WBBQ out of Augusta, before all of them moved in.

I thought the downgrade, all of this is IIRC from a previous thread, was to move into the metro--especially after WZGC downgraded from a full class C when they moved their stick off of the Peachtree Plaza (the Westin for non-ATL natives).

 

[littlejohn]

The result of what was, in hindsight, a Spectacularly Bad Decision...'We can be an ATLANTA station and make zillions'. (remember, hindsight is 20 - 20). Didn't happen. they would have been far better off to stay a middle Georgia station and make thousands. Although, if the previous owners moved it and then sold it, at least they made millions.

 

[secondchoice]

I thought the downgrade, all of this is IIRC from a previous thread, was to move into the metro--especially after WZGC downgraded from a full class C when they moved their stick off of the Peachtree Plaza (the Westin for non-ATL natives).

Why Did Z 93 move off of the Westin? The antenna had to be a “wide band” because IIRC 94.1 was there too thus allowing HD. And if they had to move, find another rooftop or buy the old Channel 17 tower and stayed a full “C”. CBS has the bucks to have made either happen. A full power “C” (one of only 7 or 8) in the #7 market has to be worth BIG BUCKS. The old channel 17 tower is going to cost megabucks to dismantle (welded not bolted so cutting torches required). Its footprint is not that many square feet (freestanding) and a building have been built around the tower. They built a building “over” a Church in New York.

 

[jabba17]

The result of what was, in hindsight, a Spectacularly Bad Decision...'We can be an ATLANTA station and make zillions'. (remember, hindsight is 20 - 20). Didn't happen. they would have been far better off to stay a middle Georgia station and make thousands. Although, if the previous owners moved it and then sold it, at least they made millions.

I think the lesson here is, if you're going to move in, then MOVE IN in a meaningful way. Otherwise, don't bother. Especially on the less-valuable southside.

I will say, though, I am impressed that CC (and whoever owned WYAI/WMAX/WBZY before CC bought them) was able to shoehorn 105.3 in and still get it to cover most of the metro well (except the NE quadrant). Of course, McClure's prior work moving WCHK from 105.5 to 105.7 helped there, too.

I wonder if a case could be made that 100.5 would have been more valuable back in Anniston/Gadsden, since it struggles to get a 2 share here. But we are market #7...

 

[littlejohn]

A resounding NO. Not a lot of loot in Annie's Town.

 

[RoddyFreeman]

I thought the downgrade, all of this is IIRC from a previous thread, was to move into the metro--especially after WZGC downgraded from a full class C when they moved their stick off of the Peachtree Plaza (the Westin for non-ATL natives).

Why Did Z 93 move off of the Westin? The antenna had to be a “wide band” because IIRC 94.1 was there too thus allowing HD. And if they had to move, find another rooftop or buy the old Channel 17 tower and stayed a full “C”. CBS has the bucks to have made either happen. A full power “C” (one of only 7 or 8) in the #7 market has to be worth BIG BUCKS. The old channel 17 tower is going to cost megabucks to dismantle (welded not bolted so cutting torches required). Its footprint is not that many square feet (freestanding) and a building have been built around the tower. They built a building “over” a Church in New York.

WZGC has not been a full C for years and years. Around 1989, the FCC mandated that to remain a full C, stations had to be over 1,000 feet. That's when the New Street facility was built, and WSTR, WSB-FM, WVEE and WABE moved there. WSTR has not been on the Westin since about 1989. But WZGC chose to stay on the Westin as less than a full C.

WZGC had problems at that site as the transmission line deteriorated. The new tower at Richland was a more state-of-the-art site facility and probably a little better geographically for Dave-FM's target audience. WZGC moved there in 2005 after the station's transmission line at the Westin died.

 

[secondchoice]

But WZGC chose to stay on the Westin as less than a full C.

Who in thier right mind would give up Full C in Atlanta ?!!!

 

[jabba17]

I thought the downgrade, all of this is IIRC from a previous thread, was to move into the metro--especially after WZGC downgraded from a full class C when they moved their stick off of the Peachtree Plaza (the Westin for non-ATL natives).

Why Did Z 93 move off of the Westin? The antenna had to be a “wide band” because IIRC 94.1 was there too thus allowing HD. And if they had to move, find another rooftop or buy the old Channel 17 tower and stayed a full “C”. CBS has the bucks to have made either happen. A full power “C” (one of only 7 or 8) in the #7 market has to be worth BIG BUCKS. The old channel 17 tower is going to cost megabucks to dismantle (welded not bolted so cutting torches required). Its footprint is not that many square feet (freestanding) and a building have been built around the tower. They built a building “over” a Church in New York.

WZGC has not been a full C for years and years. Around 1989, the FCC mandated that to remain a full C, stations had to be over 1,000 feet. That's when the New Street facility was built, and WSTR, WSB-FM, WVEE and WABE moved there. WSTR has not been on the Westin since about 1989. But WZGC chose to stay on the Westin as less than a full C.

WZGC had problems at that site as the transmission line deteriorated. The new tower at Richland was a more state-of-the-art site facility and probably a little better geographically for Dave-FM's target audience. WZGC moved there in 2005 after the station's transmission line at the Westin died.

Thanks for the info Roddy! And congrats on the 2k posts.