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What is "Radio DSP"?

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awj223

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Panasonic has a feature in some of its car receivers called "Radio DSP." What exactly is it? It claims to reduce adjacent channel interference and multipath distortion. Does it have something like SSB/ECSS on the AM side?
 
> Panasonic has a feature in some of its car receivers called
> "Radio DSP." What exactly is it? It claims to reduce
> adjacent channel interference and multipath distortion.
> Does it have something like SSB/ECSS on the AM side?
>

If it's anything like what's in the Pioneer and Blaupunkt radios, it is a digital front end which manipulates the bandwidth of the receiver based on conditions. Sounds good, right? Well, it increases selectivity with two tradeoffs

1) Distortion is very high

2) Sensitivity seems to suffer a bit

Blaupunk claims 6dBf (usable) decibel femtowatts.. it acts more like 17dBf . Big difference.

Pioneer claims 8dBf (usable). It's probably a bit overrated as well, although I don't remember sensitivity being as bad as the Blau.

As a rule, Don't touch anything that doesn't yield better than 17dBf stereo // 12dBf usable for sensitivity.. lower numbers are better. Also, try and compare different models from each brand. Look for a brand that has the same tuner spec across the board. You're most likely getting their best design, even in the cheaper models.

The Blaupunkt gives you the option to turn it on or off. The Pioneer does not. The Blaupunkt also gives you the option of turning off the high blend circuit. Pioneer doesn't, thus, the Pioneer is distorted and dull sounding MOST of the time. Both the Pioneer and Blaupunkts fall back to mono long before they really need to.

If the Panasonic is anything like these two, forget it. It's not worth the raised distortion level and sensitivity loss. Get a Clarion (17dBf stereo // 11dBf usable) or an Eclipse (13 dBf stereo // 10dBf usable). Both have much better than average selectivity, the Clarion has no blend circuit for the highs (it does go to mono) and the Eclipse has no high blend *OR* mono blend (in stereo, even under poor signal conditions, the noise floor is much lower than one would expect... Eclipse did an excellent job).

With the Pioneer and Blaupunkt, you may end up with 5 extra miles of coverage in first adjacent shoehorn situations, but it's not worth putting up with the decreased sound quality.

FWIW: Sony (9 dBf usable) also has a digital front end, but they don't use it for increased selectivity (Sony radios are still behind in the selctivity department). The goal is decreased multipath. However, the result is the same distorted audio, which usually happens with co-channels or on the fringes, or in multipath areas (HAHA!) just where you would want the "innovative" technology to help. Yeah, you don't get the spitting and hashing of multipath, instead you get distortion. Is there much of a difference???

P.S. With the digital front end, I wonder if Panasonic fixed their AM problems. Their most recent models had HORRIBLE upper sideband selectivity and were prone to all sorts of noise and hum from power lines, signs, car alarms, traffic signals. You couldn't even drive side streets listening to locals, all you heard was CONSTANT hum under the audio within 100 feet of ANY power line. Also, music stations with bass would cause the AGC circuit to lose its mind.
 
> As a rule, Don't touch anything that doesn't yield better
> than 17dBf stereo // 12dBf usable for sensitivity.. lower
> numbers are better. Also, try and compare different models
> from each brand. Look for a brand that has the same tuner
> spec across the board. You're most likely getting their
> best design, even in the cheaper models.

Are there any references for the sensitivity/selectivity of OEM receivers, so you can compare what's out there with what you have now? I have no idea how good or bad my OEM receiver is. Even for aftermarket models, sensitivity and especially selectivity specs aren't in very obvious places, but for OEM ones I haven't even come across any specs. I just know that the sideband splatter on my OEM is a lot worse than on my ICF-SW7600GR portable. I'd say FM performance is fairly good but it's hard to say for sure because I have nothing to compare with.
 
> Are there any references for the sensitivity/selectivity of
> OEM receivers, so you can compare what's out there with what
> you have now? I have no idea how good or bad my OEM
> receiver is. Even for aftermarket models, sensitivity and
> especially selectivity specs aren't in very obvious places,
> but for OEM ones I haven't even come across any specs. I
> just know that the sideband splatter on my OEM is a lot
> worse than on my ICF-SW7600GR portable. I'd say FM
> performance is fairly good but it's hard to say for sure
> because I have nothing to compare with.
>

You may be able to google it, but you'll probably have a hard time since it's usually NEVER mentioned in the literature.

I've found MOST OEM radios have decent to good reception. Delco is usually the best for FM of the US automakers while Ford and Chrysler have great AM sections with decent FM sections (I've owned two Chryslers and the FM radio in one was excellent... a 2001 model, but average in the other, a 1995 model... they've improved).

For foreign cars, usally the radio is made by a "brand name". Toyota is usually Pioneer (and the Pioneer for Toyota's are 100X better than the aftermarket stuff they sell.. indicating that Pioneer can make a radio when they want). Mitsubishi is Infinity, Bose makes some stuff for Acura, Lexus and Nissan and Blaupunkt used to make for VW (I don't know if they do anymore).
 
> Bose makes some stuff for
> Acura, Lexus and Nissan

and Honda. :)

I used to have a bose setup, complete with a 50x4 bose amp with dsp designed for the acoustics of the car. After swapping out the reciever to one of the "cheaper" competition Clarion units, and adding a 10" JL in sealed enclosure in the trunk... It's still one of the best sounding systems I've heard in a car to date, and I've heard "a few" quality-based competition systems.

I'de still like to hear what Sound Physics Labs could do to a car tho :D
http://www.servodrive.com/
 
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