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What is up with Top 40/CHR in Atlanta?!

Ha! They added Sick Puppies to KZZP! I think someone may have been reading my posts in the Phoenix section! It's about time SOMEONE did it in Phoenix!

By the way, speaking of Linkin Park, it's nice to see V103 play Linkin Park ft Jay-Z "numb encore"...
 
mike7586 said:
Going from Like A G6 to Smashing Pumpkins or Vertical Horizon or random TLC/All Saints is pretty jumpy though (and maybe "jumpy" isn't the best word to use but it's all I can think of to explain).

So nobody else agrees that Q100 could pick a better list of gold tracks to mix in during the day that are more fitting for a CHR station in 2010/2011? Because that is pretty much what I am saying.

Yeah I think I get what you mean by "jumpy" now, and I think that's what Q100 is purposely trying to do - mix in "surprise tracks" from the 90s/early 2000s during the workday, to keep the mix more exciting, and less predictable for people who have the station on all day at work

Personally, I think it's a great idea, especially considering they're competing against Star during the workday, a station with an extremely predictable recurrent/gold playlist - Kiss 95.1/Charlotte does a similar thing, except they play the "flashback" stuff all at once during lunch hour, instead of mixing it in throughout the day like Q100 does
 
IMO Q100 should follow the steps of either Z100 or KISS 95.1.
 
I can't imagine what being in a room with you people would be like.
 
atlantaboy said:
mike7586 said:
Q100 isn't that far off from Z100 in terms of music. There's a handful of songs Z100 plays that Q100 doesn't. I doubt it would make a huge impact, especially if Q100 played those songs at night instead of the day since they like to play it "safe". Also, you know the NY metro has the same amount of urban stations as Atlanta in addition to 2 CHR's (106.1 BLI and 92.3 Now) and 103.5 KTU and 2 Hot AC stations (95.5 PLJ and Fresh 102.7).

In Atlanta, the Urbans/Urban ACs are rated 1st (8.9), 3rd (5.80), 7th (4.7), and 10th (4.4) - in NYC, the Urbans/Urban ACs are rated 13th (3.0), 14th (3.0), and 17th (2.80) - BIG difference IMO

Also, WBLI is a Long Island CHR (not NYC - just overlaps in the LI suburbs), and Fresh 102.7 is AC, not HAC (although it's pretty borderline IMO)

Q100 and Z100 are WAY different in music - Z100 has a very narrow list of pop/rock recurrents, and Q100 has a pretty extensive catalog, which it plays much more frequently - BTW just noticed looking at yes.com that the list of gold tracks you want Q100 to play is the list Z100 is playing ;D

You have a point about the urban stations (rank higher in ATL) but wouldn't you say urban and rhythmic are different sounds? Usually Urbans stay away from rhythmic/pop sounding songs (for example, Chris Brown - Yeah 3X, Far East Movement, Pitbull, David Guetta, etc).

Oh, and Q100 hasn't really changed their sweepers. Still have the male voiceover shouting "Q100" between most of the songs. Pretty boring and really doesn't sound that good. :(
 
mike7586 said:
You have a point about the urban stations (rank higher in ATL) but wouldn't you say urban and rhythmic are different sounds? Usually Urbans stay away from rhythmic/pop sounding songs (for example, Chris Brown - Yeah 3X, Far East Movement, Pitbull, David Guetta, etc).

Yeah, but if four huge Urban stations are taking all the "ethnic" listeners, that leaves a much smaller audience for the Rhythmic stations
 
As rhythmic and top 40 continue to rise in popularity while urban hip hop has declined from chart domination, it will be interesting to see how things unfold over the next year or two. Eventually, people will "get used to" WWVA. Combine that with the fact that rhythmic and top 40 is no longer dominated with heavy urban material, and the fact that the next 10 years will definitely not be the same as it was when WBTS was competing with all those urbans - while hip hop was still dominating the charts. I believe WWVA and WWWQ have a higher chance of better success this decade, or the next few years, than they did during much of the hip hop heavy 00's.

The only main problem I see here is;
When WBTS was a rhythmic competing with WHTA and WVEE during a heavy hip hop dominated generation, they had a big signal to help them survive and compete with the "big boys". Now that the trends in music have shifted more towards the WWVA and WWWQ sound on a nationwide scale, things look better for WWVA, BUT.. at the same time, now WWVA has a LESS powerful signal, so they wont have the chance to fully demonstrate that they could be all they could be.

It's an unfortunate turn of events for WWVA.

Unless some of the urbans start shifting a bit rhythmic, WWVA could easily beat out half of the four urbans over time, within the next five years - and more so IF they [wwva] had BOTH a powerful signal and a "strong playlist", together. I believe that this time around, leaning or being rhythmic could steal a sufficient amount of (younger-mid aged) listeners from at least two of the four urbans. Maybe this wouldn't cause the rhythmic to necessarily beat both of the two urbans they are stealing listeners from, but I'm sure it would help the rhythmic beat at least two urbans out of all four in cume and ratings. I truly believe that these new generation of younger people are easier to "steal" from the heritage urbans than the older crowd.

I do see where it could become a little bit of a problem if both WWWQ and WWVA tried to be rhythmic, though... but WWVA alone could cause a "shake up" in what used to be the Atlanta norm. WVEE and WHTA are seen as heritage to older folks, not the youngsters- who just see them as another regular radio station like any other. Younger folks also don't have that strong "this is what I grew up with" history feeling tied to any specific station, and will be willing to "learn"/ get used to new popular rhythmic hits being played with some urban friendly material - especially if they know it's all popular hit music that's in. Give WWVA a few years and I bet they could surpass what The Beat was able to do - especially ON A MORE POWERFUL SIGNAL!

Unless hip hop has a huge resurgence (which is unlikely), I believe we'll be seeing some things changing up within this decade - especially when the hip hop & r&b artists themselves who are making NATIONAL charts have gone pop & electro. Urbans will eventually be forced to tweak, or start filling in more hip hop recurrents, or letting ONE station feature the hip hop hits. I also don't see 3 r&b stations ALL being continuously successful in coexistence either, so..... 2011-2020 will be very interesting. Unless they kill WWVA or WWVA messes up before they can prove themselves, they'll eventually make a difference.
 
That hip-hop to pop/dance shift has already happened though, and those huge ATL Urban stations are continuing to dominate - I don't think there's any way you can get those listeners to switch to WWVA because their tastes are shifting more towards dance - New York continued to be the dance capital of the U. S. even when dance wasn't popular, and I think Atlanta will continue to be the hip-hop capital of the U. S. even when hip-hop isn't popular - and I'm also almost positive things will shift back towards hip-hop (and maybe rock) in the next 1-2 years

I'm almost positive there's gonna be a backlash against pop/dance in the next couple years, just like there was a backlash against pop/alternative around 1999-2000 - when everything sounds similar, it's just a matter of time before people get sick of it
 
musicman3355 said:
IMO Q100 should follow the steps of either Z100 or KISS 95.1.

I agree, I would just go more with KISS 95.1

If CBS Radio had another FM in the market or DAVE 92.9 wasn't doing great we could maybe see a great CHR. And it wouldn't even hurt V103. As in Charlotte, NC CBS owns both the Urban and CHR.
 
atlantaboy said:
That hip-hop to pop/dance shift has already happened though, and those huge ATL Urban stations are continuing to dominate - I don't think there's any way you can get those listeners to switch to WWVA because their tastes are shifting more towards dance - New York continued to be the dance capital of the U. S. even when dance wasn't popular, and I think Atlanta will continue to be the hip-hop capital of the U. S. even when hip-hop isn't popular - and I'm also almost positive things will shift back towards hip-hop (and maybe rock) in the next 1-2 years

I'm almost positive there's gonna be a backlash against pop/dance in the next couple years, just like there was a backlash against pop/alternative around 1999-2000 - when everything sounds similar, it's just a matter of time before people get sick of it

The hip hop to dance thing is still a pretty new "event", so in a hip hop dominated city like Atlanta, I could see why four urbans are still dominating, and the brand new rhythmic isn't "up there", yet... As far as getting listeners to switch from WVEE and WHTA, the ones who are dedicated faithfully will stay on those stations. However, people don't stay young, or the same, forever. The new generation growing up with WWVA will eventually be the new current generation, who aren't seeing WHTA and WVEE as the only two options like the older generation did. New York was the dance capital, but look how they shifted into hip hop (and also look at how long hip hop itself lasted as the genre went through numerous regional sound phases - as the genre itself remained successful, overall). Well, the same way New York shifted to hip hop during a heavy trend, I believe Atlanta could also shift as well. After all, Altanta wasn't always hip hop either... They may continue to be the hip hop capital, but.. I doubt four urbans will all remain as highly successful all together if WWVA stays "in the game" for the next 10 years (especially if rock makes a resurgence, which was a topic I almost slid into in my last post). If anything, a rock resurgence will hurt a rhythmic less than it would a bunch of urbans coexisting in one city. All WWVA would have to do is tweak to a chr pop/ pop rock sound, or start adding rhythmic friendly pop/rock tunes. An urban would have to do a full flip, even just to become top 40 that was rock/pop rock friendly!

Also, a lot of todays electro/pop/dance is still hip hop influenced, so.. I'm not sure if this will help a hip hop resurgence because if it does, then we could easily just consider the past 2 to 3 decades to be decades dominated heavily with various styles of hip hip influenced sounds (many of them containing rap), and that's a pretty long long time to run with a certain style formula before a backlash! With that being said, I feel that rock (or even something else) will most likely have a resurgence, since that sound is much more different from what has mainly been going on for the past couple of decades. Rap & hip hop have been present in different forms for quite a while, and a resurgence of hip hop will only make that "while" seem even longer! Talk about a serious backlash if this happens!

Honestly, I think today's hip hop and r&b sound more the same than it has ever sounded! How many songs have you heard with "boom... click boom click click boom click" patterned beats? I'll be surprised if hip hop resurges nationwide anytime soon... especially after much of what's being done in chart topping hip hop these days. I think out of all, V103 will be the all time survivor, with one of the r&b urbans, and WWVA hanging in there - if they are given the chance.

Not sure how modernization in communication/radio technology over the next few years will effect the entire situation, though...
 
As a matter of fact, think of this entire thread as "the hip hop of the Atlanta section". The topics and types of discussions here have gone through many changes and styles, but the overall "topic genre" itself has outlived and pretty much outlasted all other topics here (just like hip hop in comparison to other genres!).

Now, imagine if this topic were to "have a resurgence" on these boards - while this one was still somewhat going on. A HUGE backlash may occur! I believe the same thing would happen if hip hop somehow managed to re-dominate the hits charts and have another multi-year run. Another sound will eventually have to "take over", and any formats that are not flexible when the new generational sound dominates will be forced to change with the times. CHR is doing well right now because no one knew for sure which direction music was headed, but it was obvious things were changing, and that whatever the next big sound was would most likely become hits, so the smart and safe thing to do would, of course, be to launch chr / hit music stations. What is convenient about so many chr's popping up is that when the next big trend sound comes, most stations (the ones that are now chr) will only have to shift that direction rather than have a full flip - since they are chr's. It wasn't the same case back when many stations were trying to be straight up hip hop or rock (or even reggaeton) or a format that was exclusive to one sound and then trends changed to a point where just tweaking that format wouldn't be enough. At least with a chr or rhythmic, you're more flexible.... like Hot 97 WQHT.

Regardless, 2011-2020 will SURELY be fascinating.
 
(Sorry for the change of subject lol)

Just realized tonight that the guy that's been introducing songs on Q100 by just stating the title and artist is Billy Bush!!!! I can understand stations airing syndicated stuff like Seacrest or even Delilah, cause they have interviews, dedications, long personality segments, etc., but why are they syndicating a guy that just comes on the mike and says the title and artist of songs?They could save a lot of money by just having a pre-recorded voice do that (like they do on The Fish and Project 96.1)
 
Had the day off today, so I finally got to hear Q100 during the workday - I'm just really wondering who's idea it was to start playing Somewhere I Belong by Linkin Park - not only does it sound strange, no CHR in the country touched it, back then or now - you'd think they would want to play the new Linkin Park single (which is Top 40) instead of a Rock Format-only track from six years ago

Also agree that it sounded strange to hear All Saints mixed in with all the current CHR stuff, but at least that was a big pop hit back in the day - Somewhere I Belong just baffles me lol - might as well throw in Faith by Limp Bizkit
 
I heard all those songs play on Q100 today. I am quite impressed with how much better Q100 is sounding lately, although I did find the Linkin Park song somewhat peculiar. I do notice that they've been playing All Saints, but have never heard the song they are playing by All Saints before. I wonder who that midday girl is who starts and ends everything she says between the songs with "Q100"?
 
...Ok I'll just come out and finally say it.
I'm still wondering how long it will take for Q100 to add Edward Maya's "stereo love"? It's beginning to look apparent that no one else in Atlanta will do it. That's a song I bet would work during both the midday and evening dayparts.
 
KDM 7000 said:
...Ok I'll just come out and finally say it.
I'm still wondering how long it will take for Q100 to add Edward Maya's "stereo love"? It's beginning to look apparent that no one else in Atlanta will do it. That's a song I bet would work during both the midday and evening dayparts.

I'm still wondering that myself. ??? "Stereo Love" is huge everywhere else and has a great "big city" sound. What I will STILL never understand is why Q100 never....NEVER ONCE touched "Empire State Of Mind" by Jay-Z/Alicia Keys nor did they play "Run This Town". Now, I know other stations here did but as big as those two songs were, I can't believe Q never added either one of those. So, while Q100 has improved slightly as a CHR, It seems they will never quite complete the circle as long as Cumulus is running the show. And there's still about 5 songs over the last two years that I can mention that have hit Top 10 that Q has never played.

(so annoying)
 
Q100 not playing Stereo Love has nothing to do with Cumulus-

WNKS/Charlotte (a CBS station) just added it THIS WEEK, and it's only being played 15x a week
WDCG/Raleigh (a Clear Channel) only plays it 3X A WEEK

Dance music doesn't do well in the Southeast - don't think it ever has
 
EDIT: (Sorry lol just looked up two more stations)...

WFBC/Greenville SC (Entercom) doesn't play Stereo Love AT ALL
WNOK/Columbia SC (Clear Channel) plays it 14x a week, and it's dropping
 
I think it's funny they just started playing Cascada - Evacuate The Dance Floor... but better really really late than never I guess. I still hate the dayparting and always will until they pick a better selection of songs that are more relevant today for a CHR. Some of their choices are good, but others not so much. About Edward Maya - Stereo Love... they could play it a few times (like no more than 5 times a day) in the afternoon/night... it wouldn't kill anyone. The only time I've heard it on Q100 is on Sunday mornings during the American top 40 countdown. If it's good enough for that countdown, you think it would be good enough for Q100's regular playlist?

Also, their sweepers are sounding better, they seem to be using the jingles a bit more, the on-air jocks are talking more, but they still use two sweepers I can't stand every once in awhile... where the male voiceover basically shouts "Q100" or says it really slow and that's it. Sounds like crap and his voice is so harsh sounding. They could still use a little creativity over there.

Other than that, the station has improved some.
 
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