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What is WKNR thinking?

J

JohnnyMorganWXJX

Guest
Ok, I know the WKNR weirdness topic gets old here, and I'm no slouch in that category.

But this needs a comment. From Roger Brown's Pee-Dee "column" today:

[...] But Roda says even he was taken aback by the intense criticism WKNR took for participating in "Steelers Backers" parties, held by a Parma sports bar, during Pittsburgh's playoff run. "I was surprised by the level of anger, absolutely," Roda says. "We certainly didn't do it to tick off Browns fans at all. It was just something different that a [station] sponsor wanted to do."

Roda popped up briefly at the sports bar for its initial Steelers-Cincinnati playoff party.

Now, it's one thing to have Roda declare on-air that he's a Steelers fan. Personal proclivities have a place in the on-air presentation, and that can be good for sparking "debate" (I use that term loosely in re: sports talk).

But when the station itself, the "Voice of the Fan," is actively sponsoring Steelers playoff parties in CLEVELAND, OHIO (!), something's wrong. Sure the station sponsor wanted to do that. Fine, he may do so.

But no true Cleveland sports station, that is actively "in tune" with the Cleveland sports community, would co-sponsor one of those events. Whoever in promotions and/or sales who came up with this idea should be sacked immediately.

And, if the station agreed to have Roda appear--THAT promotions person should be sacked. And if it was promoted on-air (or worse yet, any remotes from it appeared on air), the person responsible for THAT should be sacked too.

Mike, you grew up here. You KNOW the Pittsburgh vs. Cleveland rivalry is fierce. You're the PD of a Cleveland sports talk station, one that brands itself the "Voice of the Fan". This is inexcusable.

And I have no sympathy for Roda. Kenny--you didn't know it would spark anger? And you say "we"--that means the station too. I don't know what other explanation there is than to say you did it to tick off Browns fans. You MUST have known the impact it would have. Otherwise, you all are morons and the whole lot of you (Roda and management who approved of this) deserve to be run out of town for incompetence or hostility to the city that pays your salaries by listening.

A friggin' Steelers party sponsored by a Cleveland sports talk station!

Pete Franklin's gonna come back from the dead and kick all your asses.
 
I agree---but...

Should the PMD host of a Cleveland sports talk station be involved at all in these events?
The fan in me says no. (With a little profanity thrown in).
However, cash is king so of course WKNR is going to go ahead.
AND it does get people talking-I think Triv mentioned it on his show.

Considering who you are dealing with, in the eyes of Salem it is a win-win.
Cash from the advertiser
Free word of mouth
 
Re: I agree---but...

> Should the PMD host of a Cleveland sports talk station be
> involved at all in these events?
> The fan in me says no. (With a little profanity thrown in).
> However, cash is king so of course WKNR is going to go
> ahead.
> AND it does get people talking-I think Triv mentioned it on
> his show.
>
> Considering who you are dealing with, in the eyes of Salem
> it is a win-win.
> Cash from the advertiser
> Free word of mouth
>

And that's the thing. If it was any other company with an iota of local consciousness (even Clear Channel), this would have been nipped in the bud before it even got started.

WKNR wants to be taken seriously. Mike, remember those increased numbers of listeners? You just kissed them goodbye with this crap.

And WHY is Case basketball on WHK? I caught it this weekend. Why not on the sports station?

That whole outfit weirds me out sometimes. To think, Errol Dengler was once somewhat of a muckety-much with OmniAmerica. Now he's leading a group of blind peasants down Rockside...in rushhour.
 
Sorry but I disagree. If it was a Browns vs. Steelers game I
could maybe agree and I stress the maybe. There are a lot of
Steelers fans in this area (and I am one) and they have as
much right as Browns fans to have their gatherings and have
(more likely hire) the local radio sports station to come in.

>
> But no true Cleveland sports station, that is actively "in
> tune" with the Cleveland sports community, would co-sponsor
> one of those events. Whoever in promotions and/or sales who
> came up with this idea should be sacked immediately.

Well maybe Cleveland should get some true sports teams.

>
> And, if the station agreed to have Roda appear--THAT
> promotions person should be sacked. And if it was promoted
> on-air (or worse yet, any remotes from it appeared on air),
> the person responsible for THAT should be sacked too.

Baloney! Sack someone because of a party? Puhleeze!

>
> Mike, you grew up here. You KNOW the Pittsburgh vs.
> Cleveland rivalry is fierce. You're the PD of a Cleveland
> sports talk station, one that brands itself the "Voice of
> the Fan". This is inexcusable.

Yeah and dont forget the Steelers and fans supported the
Browns fans when Modell screwed you. We didn't like it
anymore than you did.

>
> And I have no sympathy for Roda. Kenny--you didn't know it
> would spark anger? And you say "we"--that means the station
> too. I don't know what other explanation there is than to
> say you did it to tick off Browns fans. You MUST have known
> the impact it would have. Otherwise, you all are morons and
> the whole lot of you (Roda and management who approved of
> this) deserve to be run out of town for incompetence or
> hostility to the city that pays your salaries by listening.

And to be honest I have no sympathy for the Browns. Thanks to
them the people in my department are getting a lot of Doghnuts.
>
> A friggin' Steelers party sponsored by a Cleveland sports
> talk station!

Darn straight skippy.

>
> Pete Franklin's gonna come back from the dead and kick all
> your asses.
>

Pete Who? (sarcastic mode off)

Mike Dane
WSTB-FM 88.9
SundayOldiesJukebox.com
 
> Sorry but I disagree. If it was a Browns vs. Steelers game I
>
> could maybe agree and I stress the maybe. There are a lot of
>
> Steelers fans in this area (and I am one) and they have as
> much right as Browns fans to have their gatherings and have
> (more likely hire) the local radio sports station to come
> in.

Mike, you're looking at it from the wrong side. The bar can do whatever they want. Their lost patronage in on their heads. I'm not arguing they don't have a right to throw the party and hire the local radio station to come in. And the Steelers fans (despite smelling bad :)) can gather if they want. I say raise the beer prices for them, but whatever.

I'm FAULTING the local radio station for actually DOING it. Rule #1 in Cleveland sports: you don't root for the Steelers. (Rule #1a: you don't root for the Ravens.) Rule #1 especially applies if you are a Cleveland radio station. Rule #1 super-duper especially applies if you are a Cleveland sports station.

Rule #1 super-duper double secret especially applies if the Cleveland sports station's management grew up in Cleveland and has worked here for any appreciable amount of time. They should know better.

WKNR is getting what they deserve for this idiotic stunt.

Ground one to making Cleveland a better place is having the media portray it as such. In the mid-90s, there wasn't a successful radio or TV station in town that didn't show their love for Cleveland and show it in the best light possible.

Now: when was the last time you saw a pro-Cleveland ad campaign started by a radio station? A TV station? Even a "Cleveland proud" news promo? (The last one I can think of was Fox 8 about two/three years ago.)

A Cleveland sports station sponsoring a Pittsburgh Steelers party does wonders for Pittsburgh.

Meanwhile, Cleveland falters.
 
> Mike, you're looking at it from the wrong side. The bar can
> do whatever they want. Their lost patronage in on their
> heads. I'm not arguing they don't have a right to throw the
> party and hire the local radio station to come in. And the
> Steelers fans (despite smelling bad :)) can gather if they
> want. I say raise the beer prices for them, but whatever.
>
> I'm FAULTING the local radio station for actually DOING it.
> Rule #1 in Cleveland sports: you don't root for the
> Steelers. (Rule #1a: you don't root for the Ravens.) Rule
> #1 especially applies if you are a Cleveland radio station.
> Rule #1 super-duper especially applies if you are a
> Cleveland sports station.
>
> Rule #1 super-duper double secret especially applies if the
> Cleveland sports station's management grew up in Cleveland
> and has worked here for any appreciable amount of time.
> They should know better.
>
> WKNR is getting what they deserve for this idiotic stunt.
>
> Ground one to making Cleveland a better place is having the
> media portray it as such. In the mid-90s, there wasn't a
> successful radio or TV station in town that didn't show
> their love for Cleveland and show it in the best light
> possible.
>
> A Cleveland sports station sponsoring a Pittsburgh Steelers
> party does wonders for Pittsburgh.

I have to respectfully disagree with your thoughts on this. While I can clearly see what your point/beef is, there is a difference between "hating" Pittsburgh and actually hating Baltimore. Art didn't take the Browns to Pittsburgh. He took them to Baltimore. That is the whole issue. The Browns/Steelers rivarly is one thing.

There is no rivalry between us and Baltimore. Cleveland fans just want to see the Browns kick the ish out of Art and his team (now whether that happens is for another thread on another forum of a sports nature ;) ).

So, I can totally understand the whole thing behind wanting to see the Steelers stomp on the Ravens and hosting this party. I really don't think there was anything wrong with this promotion -- especially since the Browns' players weren't playing on any field that weekend LOL.
 
> Steelers fans in this area (and I am one) and they have as
> much right as Browns fans to have their gatherings and have
> (more likely hire) the local radio sports station to come
> in.


Hey Kid, Check with your Uncle Bill. He might be able to put in a good word for you and get you on one of those 500 watt daytimers over around Beaver Falls or Ellwood City. Might make you feel a little more at home.

You have a lot of nerve.
 
>
> Mike, you're looking at it from the wrong side. The bar can
> do whatever they want. Their lost patronage in on their
> heads. I'm not arguing they don't have a right to throw the
> party and hire the local radio station to come in. And the
> Steelers fans (despite smelling bad :)) can gather if they
> want. I say raise the beer prices for them, but whatever.

No I'm not. The radio station can do what ever it wants too.
Browns fans aren't the only ones who listen to KNR, nor are
they the only ones to support the advertisers, the local
Steelers fans do too.
>
> I'm FAULTING the local radio station for actually DOING it.
> Rule #1 in Cleveland sports: you don't root for the
> Steelers. (Rule #1a: you don't root for the Ravens.) Rule
> #1 especially applies if you are a Cleveland radio station.
> Rule #1 super-duper especially applies if you are a
> Cleveland sports station.

I must have never been shown these rules. As I travel around
the Akron/Cleveland area I see a whole lot of black and gold.
>
> Rule #1 super-duper double secret especially applies if the
> Cleveland sports station's management grew up in Cleveland
> and has worked here for any appreciable amount of time.
> They should know better.

Anybody that grew up in this area should know that there are
a lot of Steelers fans here.

>
> WKNR is getting what they deserve for this idiotic stunt.

yeah a lot of grief from the fans of a losing team. right.

>
> Ground one to making Cleveland a better place is having the
> media portray it as such. In the mid-90s, there wasn't a
> successful radio or TV station in town that didn't show
> their love for Cleveland and show it in the best light
> possible.
>
> Now: when was the last time you saw a pro-Cleveland ad
> campaign started by a radio station? A TV station? Even a
> "Cleveland proud" news promo? (The last one I can think of
> was Fox 8 about two/three years ago.)
>
> A Cleveland sports station sponsoring a Pittsburgh Steelers
> party does wonders for Pittsburgh.
>
> Meanwhile, Cleveland falters.
>

For Cleveland to be a better place is going to take work from
the politicians and people, not a sports team or broadcast
station.

Mike Dane
WSTB-FM 88.9
SundayOldiesJukebox.com
 
>
> Hey Kid, Check with your Uncle Bill. He might be able to put
> in a good word for you and get you on one of those 500 watt
> daytimers over around Beaver Falls or Ellwood City. Might
> make you feel a little more at home.

I wouldn't mind helping our or filling in, but I couldn't
afford the pay cut. So thanks but no thanks.

>
> You have a lot of nerve.
>
You're right I do and I have what it takes to back it up.
You Browns fans amaze me. Even though I am a Steelers fan
I am always happy for the team and fans when they do well
(as long as it's not against us). When Modell screwed you
the steelers fans were just as mad and vocal. And yet the
fans act like this? time to grow up.

Mike Dane
WSTB-FM 88.9
SundayOldiesJukebox.com
 
Re: I agree---but...

> Should the PMD host of a Cleveland sports talk station be
> involved at all in these events?
> The fan in me says no. (With a little profanity thrown in).
> However, cash is king so of course WKNR is going to go
> ahead.
> AND it does get people talking-I think Triv mentioned it on
> his show.

Indeed he did, which is where I first heard about it.

It's a bit of a head-scratcher... the afternoon drive host on the market's local sports talk station heading up promotion for a Steelers party in THIS area. I already knew Roda was a long-time Steelers fan, so it didn't surprise me... it just surprised me that it wasn't a private activity not sanctioned by the show or the station.

> Considering who you are dealing with, in the eyes of Salem
> it is a win-win.
> Cash from the advertiser
> Free word of mouth

#1 in that list is most important. 'KNR's sales staff sold an event. It's all about the Benjamins.

Now, does that hurt the station's credibility among its supposed core audience, fans of the Browns and other Cleveland pro teams? Maybe at the next Browns/Steelers game, if they promote any events. Other than that, it's just a sale. But in general, I don't listen to, or not listen to, Kenny Roda because of him being a Steelers fan. I don't really take any of it all that seriously.

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
Roger Brown said it best...

>
> And that's the thing. If it was any other company with an
> iota of local consciousness (even Clear Channel), this would
> have been nipped in the bud before it even got started.
>
> WKNR wants to be taken seriously. Mike, remember those
> increased numbers of listeners? You just kissed them
> goodbye with this crap.
>
> And WHY is Case basketball on WHK? I caught it this
> weekend. Why not on the sports station?
>
> That whole outfit weirds me out sometimes. To think, Errol
> Dengler was once somewhat of a muckety-much with
> OmniAmerica. Now he's leading a group of blind peasants
> down Rockside...in rushhour.
>

Frankly, Browns fans should be more angry that their team barely showed up for its two butt-whippings against Pittsburgh during the 2005 season and less over who showed up at a silly sports-bar party.

Mike Dane
WSTB-FM 88.9
SundayOldiesJukebox.com
 
Don't Know Pete?

> I wouldn't mind helping our or filling in, but I couldn't
> afford the pay cut. So thanks but no thanks.

By the way, are you serious when you say that you didn't recognize Pete Franklin's name? Has sports talk in this region gotten so bad that active listeners don't know who he was?

Pete was only the long-time king of Cleveland sports talk radio, holding forth in the night-time "Sportsline" slot on then-WWWE/1100 for some 15 years or so. He left town in the mid-80's, bound for then-new sports talk station WFAN in NYC. He eventually landed in San Francisco, and died not long ago...just over a year ago.

<a target="_blank" href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Franklin>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Franklin</a>

(The article isn't correct 100%, because it messed up 1100's current calls when talking about his brief return to local airwaves a few years ago.)

WTAM's current afternoon drive motormouth, Mike Trivisonno, first aired on Cleveland radio as a regular caller to Franklin's "Sportsline"...under the nickname "Mr. Know-It-All".

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
Re: Don't Know Pete?

> By the way, are you serious when you say that you didn't
> recognize Pete Franklin's name? Has sports talk in this
> region gotten so bad that active listeners don't know who he
> was?

Sorry OA, I was being sarcastic. I thought I said something
about sarcastic mode off. I will have to check and see if I
left that off.
I remember Pete although I didn't listen to him. I'm not a
big team sports fan. I remember when he went to NY. It was
one of those things that just didn't seem right to me.
Pete was a part of Cleveland.

Mike Dane
WSTB-FM 88.9
SundayOldiesJukebox.com
 
> Pete Franklin's gonna come back from the dead and kick all
> your asses.
>

Roger missed it, of course, but the real storyline here is the damage done to the restaurant (Harpos). Browns fans on the OBR forums and elsewhere are very ticked off at the restaurant and saying that they'll never go there again. For a sports bar, that's not good news.
 
Re: Roger Brown said it best...

> Frankly, Browns fans should be more angry that their team
> barely showed up for its two butt-whippings against
> Pittsburgh during the 2005 season and less over who showed
> up at a silly sports-bar party.
>
Roger's main job is to sell papers, and he does it by inciting the fan by taking on their passions. That's fine by me, until he tries to make it a racial issue. As far as WKNR is concerned, I listen as little as possible. Haven't listened much since 1998 when Jacor bought the station, raped them of Indians broadcast rights, and then sold them off. I live in Wayne County, and can't get their signal all that well at night. Besides the Wooster stations do a better job at covering sports.
 
Re: I agree---but...

> > Should the PMD host of a Cleveland sports talk station be involved at all in these events?

KNR is struggling to find an identity. While they claim to be the voice of the fan - supposedly Cleveland - the best they can do is Ohio State and a lot of network programming. I can turn that station on every six months and not miss anything local. And as long as the Buckeyes are on TV - I don't need 'em.

> > The fan in me says no. (With a little profanity thrown
> in).
> > However, cash is king so of course WKNR is going to go
> > ahead.

The money is the moniker in the business anyway - they just don't have many local/promotable sources of revenue for it. The station needs some type of association and the Pittsburgh group wanted a cheap voice. It's a marriage made in heaven.

Throw in the restraunt and you can let all three have each other!
 
> Browns fans aren't the only ones who listen to KNR, nor are
> they the only ones to support the advertisers, the local
> Steelers fans do too.

Christians aren't the only ones that listen to 1220, but should the lineup over there devote a day to discussing the merits of atheism? Should Michael Medved appear at a socialist event for WHK? Steelers fans can listen to whatever they want providing they realize where they live.
 
I would like to throw my two cents into this:

1) I don't see anyone going after WTAM for playing the broadcast of the Steelers and Colts Game!! Why is that? Triv will rip WKNR for everything and anything but nobody rips him .. HMMMM!
2) Why not rip WTAM - they have played plenty of Steelers game in the past. Also, going to college for a moment, they played Michigan games and of course they are the Notre Dame affiliate in Clevland. Start ripping them!!
3) Why does this really matter. The station that has been through hell and back and then back to hell and they just trying to make some money. Big deal that they sponsored a Steelers game. Yea, I know browns fans, they are supposed to be the voice of Cleveland sports fan and they shouldn't sponsor an event like this but if you are management here is what you are probably thinking - "we will take some critisism over this, but we will get people talking about it especially the fat boy down the dial". "We can make some extra cash".
4) I think they Browns fan need to chill for a second. Yes, if you are wondering I'm a Steelers fan. My best friend is a browns fan and we have had plenty of discussions about the state of the Browns and here is my take on this. BROWNS FANS HAVE BEEN SCREWED!! Modell took the team to Baltimore, Carmen didn't do anything for the team. he took his money and left. Clark - enough said. Butch Davis - don't even get me started. Poor draft picks. Poor team management. The drive, the fumble, red right 88. Anything and everything has happened to you, but you can't a radio station for all of the problems of your Cleveland Browns. Blame the Cleveland Browns!!!
5) So what Roda's a Steelers fan. At least he goes to the games and talk to player's and give you some insight on what's going on. At least on KNR you can give your opinion without having a blowhard like triv give you excusses and is a shill for the team - oh, I'm sorry - a homer as he would say.

All in all WKNR is just doing what they have to do so give them a break!
 
> I would like to throw my two cents into this:
>
> 1) I don't see anyone going after WTAM for playing the
> broadcast of the Steelers and Colts Game!! Why is that? Triv
> will rip WKNR for everything and anything but nobody rips
> him .. HMMMM!

Play-by-play of a playoff game. WKNR SHOULD have had the rights to the PBP of the NFL playoffs.

Second, airing play-by-play of a game is non-partisan. No sides were taken; it was within WTAM's schedule of broadcasting ALL the playoff games; and it used Westwood One's feed.

WKNR actively sponsored a Pittsburgh Steelers' party--and had its PM drive host appear (possibly on his own volition). Partisan sponsorship.

> 2) Why not rip WTAM - they have played plenty of Steelers
> game in the past. Also, going to college for a moment, they
> played Michigan games and of course they are the Notre Dame
> affiliate in Clevland. Start ripping them!!

1. I have questioned why WTAM played Steelers games on Browns bye weeks. I know they set it up as a make fun of Myron Cope thing (Yoi! Mmmm..hah), but being the flagship for the Browns makes it odd. And they used the Steelers broadcast team too.

2. I have no recollection of them airing Michigan games, but you may be right. And that is similarly inexcusable--unless it was part of WTAM's overall college football coverage or a bowl package. WKNR has the Buckeyes' rights--one of the only things they've gotten right in the last 5 years.

3. Notre Dame? Compared to Michigan, ND is a good friend to Ohio State. Weak argument. Now, USC v ND? There's a rivalry.

> 3) Why does this really matter. The station that has been
> through hell and back and then back to hell and they just
> trying to make some money. Big deal that they sponsored a
> Steelers game. Yea, I know browns fans, they are supposed to
> be the voice of Cleveland sports fan and they shouldn't
> sponsor an event like this but if you are management here is
> what you are probably thinking - "we will take some
> critisism over this, but we will get people talking about it
> especially the fat boy down the dial". "We can make some
> extra cash".

And making some extra cash is what they thought. And what's sad is that WKNR is so hard pressed in the market to get sponsors who aren't selling foot creme and various weedy medicinals that they resorted to a Steelers' party.

Again, the sales and promotions team should be sacked over this. And get a damn team who can sell. Errol was a sales guy at OmniAmerica 10 years ago. He should know how to do this.

And if Mike Luczak and the boys "down the dial" are tailoring their programming to Mike Trivisonno (which you proffer), then they need their heads examined. I don't think they're doing that.

> 4) I think they Browns fan need to chill for a second. Yes,
> if you are wondering I'm a Steelers fan. My best friend is a
> browns fan and we have had plenty of discussions about the
> state of the Browns and here is my take on this. BROWNS FANS
> HAVE BEEN SCREWED!! Modell took the team to Baltimore,
> Carmen didn't do anything for the team. he took his money
> and left. Clark - enough said. Butch Davis - don't even get
> me started. Poor draft picks. Poor team management. The
> drive, the fumble, red right 88. Anything and everything has
> happened to you, but you can't a radio station for all of
> the problems of your Cleveland Browns. Blame the Cleveland
> Browns!!!

Has nothing to do with the Browns. This has to do with a radio station knowing its market. Imagine the outrage if ESPN 1250 sponsored a Browns party at SportsRock in the Strip. Same deal. Unless it was a spoof, which this wasn't, 1250 would be a laughing stock, and rightly so.

> 5) So what Roda's a Steelers fan. At least he goes to the
> games and talk to player's and give you some insight on
> what's going on. At least on KNR you can give your opinion
> without having a blowhard like triv give you excusses and is
> a shill for the team - oh, I'm sorry - a homer as he would
> say.

This isn't Triv vs. Roda. I can't stand Triv, but neither can I stand Roda. No, this is about the PLACE of a PM drive host on a sports talk station in Cleveland, and the place of THAT STATION in the city. Neither one should be appearing, let alone sponsoring, a Steelers' party in the heart of Cleveland Browns territory. Doesn't matter when, doesn't matter how bad the Browns are.

> All in all WKNR is just doing what they have to do so give
> them a break!

What they have to do? Come on, you don't really believe that, do you?
 
> Play-by-play of a playoff game. WKNR SHOULD have had the
> rights to the PBP of the NFL playoffs.
>
> Second, airing play-by-play of a game is non-partisan. No
> sides were taken; it was within WTAM's schedule of
> broadcasting ALL the playoff games; and it used Westwood
> One's feed.
>
> WKNR actively sponsored a Pittsburgh Steelers' party--and
> had its PM drive host appear (possibly on his own volition).
> Partisan sponsorship.

WKNR used to have the pbp and the playoffs but Clear Channel somehow got thier grubby hands on it and took it away from WKNR.

Yes, It's non-partisan but seeing how opposed that station is against the Steelers or anything that is not Cleveland sports related, it doesn't make sense to me why the fans are not outraged at WTAM for airing the game.

as far as Roda sponsoring it, I can agree to some degree.
>
> 1. I have questioned why WTAM played Steelers games on
> Browns bye weeks. I know they set it up as a make fun of
> Myron Cope thing (Yoi! Mmmm..hah), but being the flagship
> for the Browns makes it odd. And they used the Steelers
> broadcast team too.
>
> 2. I have no recollection of them airing Michigan games,
> but you may be right. And that is similarly
> inexcusable--unless it was part of WTAM's overall college
> football coverage or a bowl package. WKNR has the Buckeyes'
> rights--one of the only things they've gotten right in the
> last 5 years.
>
> 3. Notre Dame? Compared to Michigan, ND is a good friend
> to Ohio State. Weak argument. Now, USC v ND? There's a
> rivalry.
>
1) exactly my point!
2) They aired the OSU v. Michigan game last year, if my memory serves me correctly. Plus, they used the Michigan feed because OSU was on KNR.
3) it was just to point out that even the great WTAM isn't all Cleveland sports all the time.

> And making some extra cash is what they thought. And what's
> sad is that WKNR is so hard pressed in the market to get
> sponsors who aren't selling foot creme and various weedy
> medicinals that they resorted to a Steelers' party.
>
> Again, the sales and promotions team should be sacked over
> this. And get a damn team who can sell. Errol was a sales
> guy at OmniAmerica 10 years ago. He should know how to do
> this.
>
> And if Mike Luczak and the boys "down the dial" are
> tailoring their programming to Mike Trivisonno (which you
> proffer), then they need their heads examined. I don't
> think they're doing that.

I agree with you on this one. The sales staff is terrible and Errol really doen't care because WKNR is second to the FIsh. I never meant that they were tailoring their progamming to Mike Trivisonno, but they know he listens, and believe he does, It's may not be intentional but they know it may get mentioned. Like they say "even bad publicity is good publicity"

> Has nothing to do with the Browns. This has to do with a
> radio station knowing its market. Imagine the outrage if
> ESPN 1250 sponsored a Browns party at SportsRock in the
> Strip. Same deal. Unless it was a spoof, which this
> wasn't, 1250 would be a laughing stock, and rightly so.

I understand it has nothing to do with the Browns, but instead of focasing you anger of displeasure with WKNR people should really be more interested in what are the Browns going to do for the future and not what a radio station is doing or not doing or promoting or not promoting.

> This isn't Triv vs. Roda. I can't stand Triv, but neither
> can I stand Roda. No, this is about the PLACE of a PM drive
> host on a sports talk station in Cleveland, and the place of
> THAT STATION in the city. Neither one should be appearing,
> let alone sponsoring, a Steelers' party in the heart of
> Cleveland Browns territory. Doesn't matter when, doesn't
> matter how bad the Browns are.

I know it isn't a Triv vs. Roda. However, it is just to point out that Roda takes allot of flake from Browns fans. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve it, but you have to give him some credit. He is a Steelers fan on the radio in Cleveland. Durning the season he'll talk about the Browns and I would even have to say is that he knows more about the Browns then he does the Steelers. He at least gives you some insight on what is really happening in Berea. He may not be able to get some of the higher up at the Browns but it is because of WTAM and their higher up s is the reason behind that. I know what you are going to say "Stuff like this doesn't help either" I agree.

> What they have to do? Come on, you don't really believe
> that, do you?

I believe that when Jacor bought them and stripped them of everything, plus going through about 5 different ownerships, and now being owned by Salem. Yes to some degree it is what they have to do! Radio sales are down almost everywhere, especially in Cleveland.

I respect your opinion and thanks for responding to my post!
 
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