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garnet
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its not horrible...people i know listen to it?...no ratings...in the toilet...
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Maybe people don't know it's there.
I don't know, I just don't think they have a good music mix - if I do hear something on there I like, it's invariably followed by something I detest. Not just am "meh" on, but have a violent reaction to.
I know that's kind of simplistic, but for the average listener that probably is why they do or don't listen to something.
I don't know, I just don't think they have a good music mix - if I do hear something on there I like, it's invariably followed by something I detest. Not just am "meh" on, but have a violent reaction to.
I know that's kind of simplistic, but for the average listener that probably is why they do or don't listen to something.
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Johnny Morgan
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If anyone is looking for the resident K-Rock defender here, the one calling names of anyone who disagrees with his statements that "K-Rock is the bomb and everything else sucks except Bob FM (can I get an amen)" such...
I expect he'll chime in after study hall is over or algebra lets out.
I expect he'll chime in after study hall is over or algebra lets out.
Hehe..he hasn't been on here in a while...maybe he's camping out for that BS3 or whatever that gaming system is.
Whenever the mother ship drops him off again I am sure that something one of us says will set him off.
The format is an orphan. It was dropped on the local staff by CBS Corp because that's what surronded Howard in New York. Nobody in Foster Plaza ever wanted it or wants it and really doesn't understand it enough to make it fly. That they are now trying a morning show that doesn't have a large enough demographic to stand on makes the whole thing that much more of a hopeless case. Why they didn't just pull the plug and replace it with JACK is beyond me.
The format is an orphan. It was dropped on the local staff by CBS Corp because that's what surronded Howard in New York. Nobody in Foster Plaza ever wanted it or wants it and really doesn't understand it enough to make it fly. That they are now trying a morning show that doesn't have a large enough demographic to stand on makes the whole thing that much more of a hopeless case. Why they didn't just pull the plug and replace it with JACK is beyond me.
I am really surprised CBS has stayed with K ROCK this long considering the ratings. However, if they do pull the plug on K ROCK, there would be only 1 true rock station in
the Burgh.
the Burgh.
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Radio_Realist
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However, if they do pull the plug on K ROCK, there would be only 1 true rock station in the Burgh.
With WRRK, WDVE, and WXDX all playing some version of rock, how could losing K-Rock leave only one rock station?
With WRRK, WDVE, and WXDX all playing some version of rock, how could losing K-Rock leave only one rock station?
The X is rock. It may not be the kind of rock I like, but it is rock. So there would be two.
WRRK- BOB- JACK- whatever you want to call it- plays rock- but then they follow it up with some sort of Mariah Carey tune.
Now, with BOB's ratings success, perhaps Joe Pittsburgh has more of a diversified music taste than I do. Or maybe its just a fad. I don't know.
But come on Realist. You know to call BOB a rock station isn't completely accurate. That would be like calling Star 100.7 a rock station because on Fridays they played "Every Rose Has it's Thorn" by Poison and "Bad Medicine" by Bon Jovi.
Besides, BOB could just as easily be called an adult contemporary station or any number of formats.
The question ought to be- is K-Rock really a rock station with all of the alternate programming they play.
WRRK- BOB- JACK- whatever you want to call it- plays rock- but then they follow it up with some sort of Mariah Carey tune.
Now, with BOB's ratings success, perhaps Joe Pittsburgh has more of a diversified music taste than I do. Or maybe its just a fad. I don't know.
But come on Realist. You know to call BOB a rock station isn't completely accurate. That would be like calling Star 100.7 a rock station because on Fridays they played "Every Rose Has it's Thorn" by Poison and "Bad Medicine" by Bon Jovi.
Besides, BOB could just as easily be called an adult contemporary station or any number of formats.
The question ought to be- is K-Rock really a rock station with all of the alternate programming they play.
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RadioMoo
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Sorry...I'll be eligible to join AARP next summer and I listen to K-ROCK and The X. I like K-ROCK better because they mix it up a little more (Zeppelin, Hendrix, e. g.). Not only is DVE repetitious, but they have pulled so many of the good Classic Rock tunes out of rotation that they're also boring.Johnny Morgan said:
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Radio_Realist
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But come on Realist. You know to call BOB a rock station isn't completely accurate. That would be like calling Star 100.7 a rock station because on Fridays they played "Every Rose Has it's Thorn" by Poison and "Bad Medicine" by Bon Jovi.
I realize it's not completely accurate. But that's more due to the fact that the entire rock genre has so morphed, branched, divided, replicated itself, and otherwise expanded that almost anything on the air can be referred to as some hyphenated form of "rock". Even some of Mariah Carey's songs get accurately labeled "soft-rock". Between hard rock and soft rock and new rock and classic rock and acoustic rock and progressive rock and rock fusion anyone attempting to define a "rock station" is stuck between a rock and a hard place.
It has gotten to the point where "rock" is as vague a term as "jazz". After all, jazz encompases everything from banjo-based dixieland to ultra-cool be-bop to atonal avant-garde improvising to carefully arranged big band stuff. Rock has become just as big a tent.
I realize it's not completely accurate. But that's more due to the fact that the entire rock genre has so morphed, branched, divided, replicated itself, and otherwise expanded that almost anything on the air can be referred to as some hyphenated form of "rock". Even some of Mariah Carey's songs get accurately labeled "soft-rock". Between hard rock and soft rock and new rock and classic rock and acoustic rock and progressive rock and rock fusion anyone attempting to define a "rock station" is stuck between a rock and a hard place.
It has gotten to the point where "rock" is as vague a term as "jazz". After all, jazz encompases everything from banjo-based dixieland to ultra-cool be-bop to atonal avant-garde improvising to carefully arranged big band stuff. Rock has become just as big a tent.
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K-RockFan
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RadioMoo said:
Amen to you radiomoo thats why i listen to k-rock.
Changing the subject a bit-
What I am sensing here is there is a following for the station despite the fact it tends to shoot itself in the foot.
Be it myself, Moo, the guy who writes like an elementary school student, or a few selected others- there have been enough people who appriciate the fact K-Rock is an alternative.
Furthermore, it is an alternative whose time has come. Their songs are fresher and livlier than WDVE's, yet you don't have to be in high school to listen to it like The X.
Look, you lose your monster morning guy, then blow your entire budget promoting his failed replacement, and then put in two unlistenable talk shows taking away six hours from your format every day- and a morning show that is not music intensive either- you're not going to do very well in the ratings.
That's 10 hours every broadcast day where they are not in their format.
In the 19 hours in which people are awake- from 6 a.m. to 1 a.m.- there are only nine hours in which they play their music format.
Now, what if they did blow it up? What if they changed the format back to whatever B-94's was.
If they take 10 hours away from that music format- or ANY music format- it simply won't succeed.
Keep O and A- keep the music format- get rid of Kidd and Loveline- and I think you'll have a very successful station.
What I am sensing here is there is a following for the station despite the fact it tends to shoot itself in the foot.
Be it myself, Moo, the guy who writes like an elementary school student, or a few selected others- there have been enough people who appriciate the fact K-Rock is an alternative.
Furthermore, it is an alternative whose time has come. Their songs are fresher and livlier than WDVE's, yet you don't have to be in high school to listen to it like The X.
Look, you lose your monster morning guy, then blow your entire budget promoting his failed replacement, and then put in two unlistenable talk shows taking away six hours from your format every day- and a morning show that is not music intensive either- you're not going to do very well in the ratings.
That's 10 hours every broadcast day where they are not in their format.
In the 19 hours in which people are awake- from 6 a.m. to 1 a.m.- there are only nine hours in which they play their music format.
Now, what if they did blow it up? What if they changed the format back to whatever B-94's was.
If they take 10 hours away from that music format- or ANY music format- it simply won't succeed.
Keep O and A- keep the music format- get rid of Kidd and Loveline- and I think you'll have a very successful station.
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K-RockFan
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Keep O and A- keep the music format- get rid of Kidd and Loveline- and I think you'll have a very successful station.
I agree with ya.
Or keep the Kidd Chris show and get rid of O & A and Loveline. I never cared for loveline anyway O & A is good too. I just wish k-rock would play music all day.
I agree with ya.
Or keep the Kidd Chris show and get rid of O & A and Loveline. I never cared for loveline anyway O & A is good too. I just wish k-rock would play music all day.That's cutting it a bit hard.
K-Rock's numbers had a modest rise in the summer.
But this last book, which coincides with the arrival of Kidd, saw them plummet by more than 25%.
Again, if you have spent your entire budget on promoting a failed morning show, then you are going to take a hit in the book.
K-Rock's numbers had a modest rise in the summer.
But this last book, which coincides with the arrival of Kidd, saw them plummet by more than 25%.
Again, if you have spent your entire budget on promoting a failed morning show, then you are going to take a hit in the book.
Radio_Realist said:
It's that 800-pound gorilla we call format fragmentation. What used to be AC is now divvied up into at least five varieties of same. Rock, urban and even oldies aren't safe anymore.
There was no need for K-rock. There were not enough unhappy DVE and X listeners who wanted another choice, particularly when the choice was just a different mix of the same stuff for the most part. It was only because corporate wanted Stern on in the market and felt he needed to be on a rock station. When Howard left the format should have gone with him.
There are holes for smooth jazz, FM talk (the Opie & Anthony genre, not 104.7 conserva-talk), and CHR in the market, pick one and flip it.
There are holes for smooth jazz, FM talk (the Opie & Anthony genre, not 104.7 conserva-talk), and CHR in the market, pick one and flip it.
Parttimer said:
That would make sense now, wouldn't it?
I don't think it would.
As I said- ANY music format is going to fail if you have the majority of your time during waking hours devoted to talk. Go to Smooth Jazz or CHR or any other music format and it simply isn't going to work.
Now- hot talk- you might be on to something. I wouldn't like to see it- but my opinions as to what I'd like to see are above.
Last thing. Why do you feel Stern needed to have a "rock station" to be broadcast on? He could have easily worked on a CHR.
But CHR is simply a dying format- and I simply cannot believe there are more smooth jazz or pop music fans in Pittsburgh than hard rock fans.
As I said- ANY music format is going to fail if you have the majority of your time during waking hours devoted to talk. Go to Smooth Jazz or CHR or any other music format and it simply isn't going to work.
Now- hot talk- you might be on to something. I wouldn't like to see it- but my opinions as to what I'd like to see are above.
Last thing. Why do you feel Stern needed to have a "rock station" to be broadcast on? He could have easily worked on a CHR.
But CHR is simply a dying format- and I simply cannot believe there are more smooth jazz or pop music fans in Pittsburgh than hard rock fans.
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Radio_Realist
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Now- hot talk- you might be on to something. I wouldn't like to see it- but my opinions as to what I'd like to see are above.
I have to agree with you on that. I wouldn't listen to it, but plenty of other people would. And, from a sales perspective, talk formats should be an easier sell. Music stations are often "listened" to as background noise. Commercials are only heard on an almost subliminal level. Any talk format requires the listener to actually listen. The audience might not be as large, but advertisers can be pretty sure that the listener has heard their sales pitch.
But CHR is simply a dying format-
Again, I have to agree. Contemporary Hits is a dying format because the recording industry isn't putting "hit" music onto the market like they used to.
I simply cannot believe there are more smooth jazz or pop music fans in Pittsburgh than hard rock fans.
I don't think there are enough jazz fans who'd pick smooth jazz over the hot jazz that WDUQ plays. As for pop (as in "popular") music, isn't that pretty much what Contemporary Hits are supposed to be?
Isn't it ironic that one of the least popular musical genres currently is "popular" music?
I have to agree with you on that. I wouldn't listen to it, but plenty of other people would. And, from a sales perspective, talk formats should be an easier sell. Music stations are often "listened" to as background noise. Commercials are only heard on an almost subliminal level. Any talk format requires the listener to actually listen. The audience might not be as large, but advertisers can be pretty sure that the listener has heard their sales pitch.
But CHR is simply a dying format-
Again, I have to agree. Contemporary Hits is a dying format because the recording industry isn't putting "hit" music onto the market like they used to.
I simply cannot believe there are more smooth jazz or pop music fans in Pittsburgh than hard rock fans.
I don't think there are enough jazz fans who'd pick smooth jazz over the hot jazz that WDUQ plays. As for pop (as in "popular") music, isn't that pretty much what Contemporary Hits are supposed to be?
Isn't it ironic that one of the least popular musical genres currently is "popular" music?
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