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WHAT IS WRONG WITH US?

What is wrong with us in Atlanta radio???

Going through the dial, we have so many format holes in the market that it is laughable.

We are the 8th largest market yet we lack....

  • A light rock station
  • An alternative station
  • A CHR that will take the mantle of being a true Top 40 with two stations shaking in their boots at the thought of playing "all the hits."

The only formats in this market that are superserved are news/talk and R&B (and to some extend Christian/Gospel radio).

Atlanta used to be one of the best markets for radio; now, not so much.
 
Did you mean light rock or true AC? We have light rock in B98.5 and urban AC in Kiss (and we can discuss how good of a job they do, but as Kabrich will point out, the proof is in the ratings). We don't have a true white-bread AC.

Define "alternative". We used to have alt, but we didn't have AAA or active rock back then. Would Dave + Project constitute an alt replacement? What's the remaining gap?

We don't have classic country (Legend and their walkie-talkie transmitter doesn't count), although that might qualify as a niche format.

I agree that Q and Star are timid in their play of top 40-M, and have a bit of a man crush on B98.5. IMO you could combine them and bring back "94Q". One of them needs to take a risk, or one of them needs to get out. The market isn't big enough for both of them--not with B98.5 on the AC end and Beat on the CHR-R end.

I wouldn't call news/talk superserved, simply because a market as big as ATL needs more, more powerful news/talk/sports stations. It's WSB and a bunch of other AMs with coverage problems and poor programming in some cases (and as a result of the poor coverage in some cases).

Urban is definitely superserved, but has the ratings to justify it.

White-boy Christian contemporary isn't superserved, with just Fish and J taking a one-size-fits-all approach to ConChr programming.

AOR (classic rock and heritage rock) is a little underserved--I'd like a true classic rock station like the old Z93--but I am not sure how it could be programmed among True Oldies, River, and Rock 100.5 without excessive overlap (and taking a ratings hit, in the case of River).
 
I'm not sure "alternative" in its truest sense even exists anymore. In the early days, it consisted of bands and songs that Pop stations were too timid to include, but as time passed it all became blended. Now there is so much crossover, it would be more appropriate to ask "alternative to WHAT?" That would seem to suggest a playlist of songs mostly excluded by the other formats, and I'm not certain what that would be.
 
Probably Alternative as in a New Rock or Modern Rock station. Yes, it's a tragedy that Atl lacks a top performing station in this format. I mean really?

A new New Rock station could come into Atlanta and blow away anything 99x used to do. I am not talking about that go paint your toenails and listen to some Coldplay stuff in a closet that cumulus stuck with till the very end. I am talking about a true New Rock Station that knows who their audience is and caters to Men 18-34 or 49 minus all the classic rock before 1991, and instead of everyone and everybody 18-54 like 99X wanted.

The fact that Atlanta feels like it's so unique makes it it's own worse enemy. The old 99X is just one of the many examples of mistakes like that. "Oh we have to have someone with Atlanta roots".... Who cares???? Atlanta just wants to be entertained, with people that at least sound like they belong in major market radio. That's the bottom line!

Hire some young talent, and put people back in an environment where chemistry is allowed to happen and take some chances, instead of repeatedly rehiring washed up people that didn't work somewhere else in town. And sorry, but some people just need to know when it's time to move to a more appropriate format for the golden years.
 
I think the easiest way to answer your question is the powers that be don't see the money in those formats. HOWEVER, I'm not a radio professional so I don't know the numbers and stats involved in that area. I would imagine that the new PPM would offer better insight into what will work (or really SURVIVE) in this market. From a listener standpoint, it seems like there's so much flux going on...listening habits have changed so people are listening to different sources...but then the economy is in the crapper, so there's the potential that they might scrap pay services (which can include 3G wireless services, if you think about it). Atlanta, IMHO, is quite a diverse collection of cultures too...trying to find that niche that would cover more ground may be more of a challenge today that it was 10 years ago.

As for the genres: I kind of agree with Richard on the "Alternative" angle. Alternative music radio managed to cover so many genres over the years...punk, grunge, brit-pop, electronica, nu-metal (yeeesh), the list goes on. But I'm sure it has to do with the market too. P961 seems to play some of the same songs as Rock 100.5 (which I hope they rename because it's not a brand that rolls off the tongue)...and they both play some of the 'heavier' songs that 99x played at one point. Dave does the same but in a lighter sense...and in the earlier years of Dave, I'd say they were an alternative alternative station because they were playing artists that the other stations wouldn't touch...mixed in with the DMB's, the Elton John's and the Coldplay's.

Not discounting what trig said, but the best years for 99x where the first 10. After that, I think they had a hard time competing musically with the stations that often times started playing 8-12 months later what 99x played first. I then those stations started to add the token 'alternative/new rock' artist into the mix just so they could say "yeah, we play them too". But I agree, an alternative/new rock station could survive in this market if it got innovative and let the music be played by those people who knew the music rather than the numbers. (i'm guessing that's a pipe dream from a listener....may as well just stick with the ipod)

News Talk: I would much rather hear locally based talk radio than syndicated...even if it's parroting what's been said from 9am to 3pm. Radio is one of those things that always get one a sense of locale...you knew you were almost home from a road-trip when you could turn on this station and pick up your normal afternoon show...now you have to double check the dial to make sure you're listening to Rush in your home town vs. Rush in neighboring city. I have so much of a disconnect from local radio these days.

Does Q100 have a progressive dance program or something? 99x used to have the Beat-Factory (lonnnnnng time ago) on Saturday nights. If they don't, it's a genre they could capitalize on.

It'll be interesting to see what happens with radio in Atlanta in the next couple of years.
 
Hi Andy-

Yes- Beat Factory-Yvonne Monet, bring her back! Some friends actually still have tapes of her show from way back when.

Q100 does have something...but the mixing sounded like something I used to do with my turn table and cassette recorder (ya know, when I was a little tyke).

It could make us old folks (30-40 somthing) smile.
 
format holes: ok. they don't make any money.
that's what's wrong (or right).
other industries have the same problem, like:
1. the NFL has no Southern California team.
pro football doesn't sell in SoCal.
2. Live Concerts (the Big Ones) are all about Kids
and Country. Hannah Montana and Hat Acts.
Hip-Hop is a 2K venue at best, retro gets big
face on tix and resell much less for the 10-row
and back. Celine Dion stands out as an exception.
3. finally, the killer app: porn on TV. cable/sat/otherwise.
the internet took all that made any money including
the DVD's. my 2 cents: porn distribution channels have
lead the market since VHS. if it's worked for 30 years,
it works. period.
 
It's simple.

What do you have as one of the fastest growing markets in the nation?

Major market demands on a mid-market mentality.
 
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