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What percentage of help wanted ads are real?

It seems like if one reads EEO reports of stations, the VAST majority of hires are referrals. It sure gets frustrating responding to dozens of ads, and seeing them filled with the secretary's 23 year old son. Is it about time the EEO requirements are adjusted to discourage the placement of fake ads? They waste everyone's time.

Horror stories about these ridiculous rules are more than welcome.
 
ProducerGuy said:
It seems like if one reads EEO reports of stations, the VAST majority of hires are referrals. It sure gets frustrating responding to dozens of ads, and seeing them filled with the secretary's 23 year old son. Is it about time the EEO requirements are adjusted to discourage the placement of fake ads? They waste everyone's time.

Horror stories about these ridiculous rules are more than welcome.

You are confusing a perceived need to hire from a specific source with the real requirement to make available jobs known to anyone who might be interested.

Stations are required to make known openings. In broad terms, long as there is no EEO violation or lack of compliance the station can hire based on selecting the person they feel most suitable and qualified for the specific job.

The ads are not fake... they are notices of openings or solicitations of resumes for future openings, not guarantees of employment.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Stations are required to make known openings.

Even when the position is filled before it even comes open? That's the kind of deal I'm talking about. Ads placed for positions when the station never had any intention of hiring anyone who answers the ad. The station just places the ad to feign compliance and get points on their EEO form. One station's form that I looked at placed 68 ads for two openings. One opening was given to a referral, the other to a returning employee. Seems like a whole lot of extra work for the station, and a lot of wasted effort for those looking for work.

I'm just curious how widespread it is.
 
I can't tell you how widespread the practice is, but I can tell you a story of the exact situation you describe happening at a top NYC FM station back in the early 1980s.

A friend of mine, who had prior experience in the NY radio market, had taken a PM drive job at a market leading station on the West Coast and had been there a few years.

One day I get a phone call that he has been offered a mid-day gig at one of the top rated stations in NYC and accepted. Both he and his wife give notice on their jobs, and he asks me to keep my eyes open for a house they can buy in the area etc. etc.

All the plans have been rolling for a couple of weeks, when I am scanning the NY Times help wanted section and I see the job advertised. After a panic call to the West Coast he assures me that the NYC station had warned him of the ad, and says that its purpose was to meet EEOC requirements.

While I was delighted that the station wasn't going behind his back, and wasn't going to leave him stranded on the West Coast without a job, I also thought of all the poor radio types who would spend that week assembling air checks, resumes, etc etc. when their effort was all wasted and in vain, since the job was filled long before that ad was ever placed. If that late applicant was out of work, there was distraction from an effort that could actually find a job, and there was the expense, and misplaced hope, that responding to the ad caused.

Something is very wrong about that system, and it's too bad that all these years later it hasn't been fixed. Since for most people, the number of radio formats they fit is small, and the number of stations not that many, the best thing to do is to keep your name and availability on file at all the stations where you would like to work. And when you see an ad, you really have no choice but to respond, but don't get your hopes up.

In the case I mentioned, the person at the NY station who made the decision on hiring was very familiar with my friend's work when he was at a competing station, and my friend had "kept in touch" while he was on the West Coast. It was the legal requirement to run the ad that caused the problem.

By the way, that was the only top level on-air radio job I ever remember seeing in the NY Times, the station really didn't want the flood of responses from radio types around the country it would have gotten with ads in Broadcasting magazine or Radio and Records, or the other usual media. It probably hoped that the ad would go unnoticed by radio job seekers, and yet was in the "newspaper" of record for legal purposes.
 
So really all you're asking is that GMs publish help-wanted ads before they tell their employees they have an opening?
 
GRANDE COMMUNICATIONS NETWORKS, LLC. Notified Grande Communications Networks of its Apparent Liability for Forfeiture in the amount of $10,000 for failure to comply with the Commission's EEO recruitment and self-assessment requirements. by MO&O. Action by: Chief, Media Bureau. Adopted: 06/22/2012 by NALF. (DA No. 12-989). MB
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-12-989A1.doc
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-12-989A1.pdf
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-12-989A1.txt
 
PTBoardOp94 said:
So really all you're asking is that GMs publish help-wanted ads before they tell their employees they have an opening?

No. All I am asking is that if the position is ALREADY FILLED, as in the story above your post, the ad not be placed at all.

Tell the employees first. If you hire one of them, don't place an ad. It's the honest thing to do. I can only imagine how much time it wasted in the days when a demo tape really was a tape.

TomZ said:
GRANDE COMMUNICATIONS NETWORKS, LLC. Notified Grande Communications Networks of its Apparent Liability for Forfeiture in the amount of $10,000 for failure to comply with the Commission's EEO recruitment and self-assessment requirements. by MO&O. Action by: Chief, Media Bureau. Adopted: 06/22/2012 by NALF. (DA No. 12-989). MB
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-12-989A1.doc
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-12-989A1.pdf
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-12-989A1.txt

And herein lies the problem. Forced dishonesty.
 
DavidEduardo said:
All jobs must be widely posted, even if someone "inside" is eventually hired.

Yep. That's the problem. Why bother if you know who is going to be hired? It's a ridiculous requirement and wastes time on all sides. In the past 6 months I've sent out 500 packages to various stations. I'd be willing to bet less than 20 of those were even considered. That's insulting to everyone out there looking for work.
 
ProducerGuy said:
Yep. That's the problem. Why bother if you know who is going to be hired? It's a ridiculous requirement and wastes time on all sides. In the past 6 months I've sent out 500 packages to various stations. I'd be willing to bet less than 20 of those were even considered. That's insulting to everyone out there looking for work.

You can add this to a bunch of other rules imposed on broadcasters that make little or no sense, like posting your EEO info on the station's web site, various Public File requirements, etc. Perhaps these rules are well intended, but were imposed by people who have very little grasp for the way most small businesses work.
 
Chuck said:
You can add this to a bunch of other rules imposed on broadcasters that make little or no sense, like posting your EEO info on the station's web site, various Public File requirements, etc. Perhaps these rules are well intended, but were imposed by people who have very little grasp for the way most small businesses work.

Amen. I've gone through enough transmitter logs to attest to that.
 
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