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If flea powered stations like WURD, WVCH, the Ticket, 1380 DelDot and WEMG, have great clean signals for their power, why is WHAT so distorted and weak, I understand they are a boxed in limited frequency but that should not stop them from having at least a 30 mile clear clean radius. I think the problem is the equipment and ground not the actual frequency. They should spruce up the signal, they would grab a good audiance, I can remember when WJBR-A played Standards, they had a Philly audiance and many people I know listened to them and not WPEN. This was with their limited signal so just imagine what a more powerful signal on WHAT would do.
 
Even when 1290/Wilmington had a single kw-D, they and had a far superior signal to 1340/Philadelphia. 1290 is a much more desirable freq., and now with even 2.5kw day, it's a sweet signal. With an engineering study, and 3 more towers, they could make 25kw day, and 5kw-N. I even see a few tightly tucked, 50 kw-D’s on that freq, KKAR, WHKY, KOUU, and few 25kw-D, WOWZ, WDZY, and plenty of 10 and 5kw’s. There’s no question that Philadelphia’s /1340 ground system went bye- bye’s a long time ago.
Now then, as far as Wilmington/1380 goes, 1380/Del-Dot….........PLAY’S-THE-HITS!
 
Odd thing is when WAMS had the 5 tower array at 5kw they went nowhere now with a piggyback signal on WILM's tower they get out...go figure why Farley never thought of doing that is crazy....
 
I'm thinking some of the weakness and distortion is due to the audio bandwidth not being let out when the IBOC was turned off. The audio sounds brickwalled at 6 kHz. Let it back out to 10 kHz with NRSC filtering, and ease up a bit on the compression for more dynamic range. You'd see a difference. And as far as more power for WHAT? Not a chance, unless they move off 1340. Being on a local channel and inland, they'll never have the kind of signal that'll do the format justice. I'd even listen to this format on a daytimer like WWDB 860. Even 10 kW daytime only on a Canadian clear beats 1340 hands down.
 
It's the nature of the beast..All Class 4 Local Graveyard Frequency stations face the same dilemma..especially at night..As far as daytime reception there is WMID 1340 Atlantic City/WRAW 1340 Reading/1350 in Trenton/1330 in Havre De Grace and probably a few more.
 
Don Niles said:
It's the nature of the beast..All Class 4 Local Graveyard Frequency stations face the same dilemma..especially at night..As far as daytime reception there is WMID 1340 Atlantic City/WRAW 1340 Reading/1350 in Trenton/1330 in Havre De Grace and probably a few more.

Hey Don:

Why are the old class IV AM stations referred to as graveyard stations? A question I've had bouncing around my brain for a while...I know, need to get a life!

Thanks,
Don
 
the old Class IV's(now Class C)stations were referred to as "graveyarders" due to the jumble that those frequencies dissolved into at night.
 
If the rumors are true that Davidson is planning to sell WEMG, should Marconi make a bid for it to move Martini Lounge Radio to 1310AM? (*whispers* why or why not?)
 
For those who don't know..The six Graveyard Frequencies are 1230,1240,1340, 1400,1450,and 1490.
 
RunWithScissors said:
Odd thing is when WAMS had the 5 tower array at 5kw they went nowhere now with a piggyback signal on WILM's tower they get out...go figure why Farley never thought of doing that is crazy....

Ah...Farley is the one who did it! After he sold the Mt. Cuba property, he needed a place to put the station so he wouldn't lose the allocation prior to the deal going down with the state. So he set up a 10-disc cd player, plugged it into a transmitter and used the WILM stick.

And while its true much of the WAMS 5 tower signal went right down the Delaware River, it did have a strong signal in NJ and through most of New Castle County during dayight hours.
 
Don Niles said:
For those who don't know..The six Graveyard Frequencies are 1230,1240,1340, 1400,1450,and 1490.

So these are the official established "graveyard" AM frequencies? Does it expand if they have their IBOC turned on?
 
Two comments on previous posts, 1310 for some reason always had a fantastic signal, when they had the old stand alone tower in Pyne Point Park to the new all silver smaller tower on the banks of the Delaware. Why is this 1kw-D, 250w-N property, have such a great signal, even with the slight tower move, could it be the river ground. Next, about 1230 being graveyard, why is it daytime I can receive WCMC in Philly just as good as WHAT.
 
DG02816 said:
the old Class IV's(now Class C)stations were referred to as "graveyarders" due to the jumble that those frequencies dissolved into at night.

Thanks, Dave!
 
To be more specific (being on one of the graveyard signals,) not only do those six frequencies dissolve into mass nothingness at night until beyond sunrise, but they are graveyard "Local" channels because there are so many stations on each of those frequencies that were some 40 years ago, only at a kilowatt day and 250 at night. Talk about no signals!

If memory serves, it was those frequencies who were stuck at 250 watts full time for years and years, before getting the 1kw daytime power, still lowering power at night ... before getting the fulltime 1kw power back in I believe the early 70s. I know I was still lowering power at night at WILM in 1970.

And WAMS' 5 tower signal was something. One couldn't hear it's 1kw nite power a mile from the back of the array and there were those pattern changes ... 4 a day at best and up to 12 on Sundays and at times in the dead of winter.
 
oaktree said:
And WAMS' 5 tower signal was something. One couldn't hear it's 1kw nite power a mile from the back of the array and there were those pattern changes ... 4 a day at best and up to 12 on Sundays and at times in the dead of winter.

Yikes! Why so many?
 
Did WAMS have to also add CH protection, or was it mainly walking the tightrope to protect WBNX and WAWZ? Seems like the pattern switching was for for the shared-time situation in NY on 1380.
 
    WAMS had to protect a little share timer on 1380 in Zarepheth NJ., WAWZ, which shared time with WBNX, (Bronx N.Y.). 1380/WAWZ generally had specific broadcast hours on 1380, 6am-9am, daily. All other hours were generally WBNX’s broadcast time, 9am until midnight. WAMS had to critically protect the Zarepheth 1380, so when WAWZ signed on, WAMS was relegated to a critical directional antenna pattern. That is what most of the 5 towers were for, the Zarepheth protected contour array. Sundays were really a gas, when WAWZ signed on midday’s 12-2 and in the afternoons 4pm-6pm, in addition to mornings. So for example, in the winter, on Sunday, you would have to switch from 1kw-DA-N to 1kw-DA day protected contour at 6am, then to 5kw-DA day signal protected contour at sunrise, then at 9am 5kw-DA liberal, then at noon, 5kw-DA protected, then at 2, 5kw-DA liberal, then at 4pm, 5kw-DA protected, then at sundown 1kw-DA protected, then at 6pm, 1kw-DA night. It may have been even more at some point in the frequency's history.
    As we all remember, up until relatively recent rule changes, the licensed on duty transmitter operator, which was usually the DJ, must have his eyes in view of the transmitter readings, variable base current and phase loop meters, etc., when in the air studio. That was made possible at WAMS with numerous television monitors across the ceiling perimeter directly in front of the on air board, with the connecting cameras fixed on the transmission equipment. So all you had to do was look up, and you could take a meter reading, watch the clock, and change to the applicable antenna pattern then raise or lower the power, which ever is applicable. Power, and antenna phase loop readings, for each tower, at every change, usually took the better of the equivalent of two segue-way’s, if you were lucky. There was very little tolerance on being late with the pattern change, or phase loops being out of whack on the applicable time sensitive pattern. As you might imagine, top 40 rock, was a little hard to digest over WAWZ’s signal area.
    Hy was on WAMS in 1973, and we will be playing many of those broadcast moments, along with other historical radio content, and narration description of these stations later this month on HyLitRadio.com.
 
Or, as my mom used to call it when I was there, "Wilmington's Awful Music Station..." The pattern changes in the middle of a song didn't help, either. There was also a bright red light bulb sticking out of a rack holding a pair of Gates Criterion cart decks that about blinded you when the phaser kicked in during pattern changes.

Of course, the florescents above eerily glowed weird colors too, especially during "Incense & Peppermints" or anythng by Jefferson Airplane at the time...

And, personally, I'll not forget the mechanical 3-tone top-of-hour time signal that coincided with the old Western Union clock with the little red light in the middle that glowed on the hour. And the Hammond reverb set to "deep 55 gallon drum."
 
WAMS, like WTUX, was one of the frequency allocations in the days following WW2. The stations coming on in the 1947-48 period with awful AM signals (1kw for WAMS and 500w for WTUX) were also given FM allocations.

At the start, WAMS used their FM to stay on the air when they had to shut down for the NJ station. At first, it wasn't the difficult pattern changes, it was off the air entirely. WTUX never used their FM (99.5) and actually lost the frequency due to a gambling charge (broacasting race results before the race was actually over, allowing placing of bets in those days).

After time, WTUX got up to the 1kw we knew it as and WAMS got their weird pattern with 5k day and 1k night.
 
oaktree said:
Or, as my mom used to call it when I was there, "Wilmington's Awful Music Station..."  The pattern changes in the middle of a song didn't help, either.  There was also a bright red light bulb sticking out of a rack holding a pair of Gates Criterion cart decks that about blinded you when the phaser kicked in during pattern changes.

Of course, the florescents above eerily glowed weird colors too, especially during "Incense & Peppermints" or anythng by Jefferson Airplane at the time...

And, personally, I'll not forget the mechanical 3-tone top-of-hour time signal that coincided with the old Western Union clock with the little red light in the middle that glowed on the hour. And the Hammond reverb set to "deep 55 gallon drum."


Yo Oak,

When the bright phaser light kicked in, didn’t that impair the operator’s ability to see the little red light in the clock and confirm it was the correct time? Maybe management felt temporary color blindness, should be part of the mood orientation for the meter readings. Perhaps that is what necessitated the deep 55 gallon drum settings, so the operator could hear the top of the hour time tone reverberate incessantly while you were blinded by the light. That is too much. Damn, I wish I could get my hands on one of those clocks.
 
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