What stations does K-Love compete with specifically? If you can't say don't bother.

[brian_marchand]

Since K-Love seems to be competing with about every locall ccm station in the country or so it would seem from some people I am curious to know which ones. I get the feeling these are other radio people in competion with K-Love who are mainly saying this. At least it appareas that way when they never talk specifically about any market. I wish people would stop talking if they can't give a specific city and stations. I understand they do not want to give away who they are maybe for the sake of their job I guess but I am sick of it genericac comments. Personally if you can not say where you are from then don't bother. I like to know the exact station or stations. Saying some station someone in america gets old hearing. So just me but if you can't say the station don't bother because it is frustrating not knowing. I know it is because this board shares both radio people who don't or can't say who they are who like to discuss the industry and hobbiest like me only looking for facts about radio stations.

K-Love has maybe 200 or so stations. So how many of those K-Love stations are directly competing with other locally owned, full power, full time, non-commercial adult ccm middle aged woman stations. (From this board it sounds like all of them.) There will be some rimshot overlap in rural areas but lets manly focus on areas of overlap in major target areas of urban population. That is what counts the most because that is where the most people are. Commercial ccm stations do not count or other networks like AFR or wayfm. It is the local stations K-Love is competing with that people complain about. AFR is alot more politically motivated and wayfm more hot ac anyway. K-Love goal is to have a non-commercial ccm station in an area even if there is a commercial one already there. Those are usually salem owned commercial stations. The few commercial ccm stations not owned by salem but by secular companies are always flippng formats and will not last.

Austin, TX with KNLE but K-Love has 8 stations in the area trying to reach a large area from Corpus Christi to San Antonio to Waco. When K-Love got the Austin station it was a package deal with another stion south of Austin not reached by KNLE. I have heard K-Love tried to buy KNLE several times.

Kansas City with KLJC. KLJC used to be inspirational. K-Love may have been there before they switched to ccm I don't know or shortly after. KLJC is a college station. KC never had a ccm FM station until around the time K-Love came on. And K-Love is a rimshot into KC. Also the spirit-fm KCVO network competes with it in rural areas but the purpose was to reach KC.

Flint, Mi with smileFM station WTAC but K-Love will use it to have a station to reach Detroit with tranlators.

Midland/Bay city/Saginaw with rimshot smilefm station WEJC. WEJC is a rimshot there and I guess K-Love wants to have a regional network from Toledo to Detroit to Flint to Saginaw.

Indianapolis. but K-Love serves the west side where no ccm station is. My brother went to college in that area of Greencaste, IN and there was never a ccm in the area west of Indianapolis until K-Love came on. College station WQME serves the northeast. WQME is not even 24 hours a day and has a few teaching programs and different music style blocks. And WJCF is on the east side but WJCF has a weak signal in the areas they would overlap with K-Love.

K-Love has a translator in Decatur, IL where WBGL operated WNLD has a station. I don't know why K-Love keeps that translator instead of making it air1.

Fort Smith , AR but KZKZ might be commercial I am not sure.

I like the bare facts not someone in the industry who can't say where they are from. Don't bother me with that please. That is letting out some frustration. Not frustation to K-Love because I don't even listen to them but to generic posts who can't say who they are and what K-Love station is hurting them. That is about it. It does not sound like they are competing with that many full-time, non-commecial, locally owned, full power adult ccm stations where both have a strong signal in the main urban area. Yes you could mention the Raleugh, NC area with the hisradio network but his radio only reaches the area with translators. The spiritfm network of stations from Roanoke, VA - WPAR has some overlap in rural areas.

Not from experience, but from other posters I get the picture K-Love is very agressive in buying new stations before anyone else can buy it and in competing for concert promotions. I do not now what the deal is with that.

 

[brian_stevens]

Re: What stations does K-Love compete with specifically? If you can't say don't bother.

> My brother went to college in that area of
> Greencaste, IN and there was never a ccm in the area west of
> Indianapolis until K-Love came on.

The old Love 98 sat about a dozen miles west of Indy with a tower just south of Rockville Road and west of the Marion / Hendricks County line. CCM from 1980 to the spring of 2003. Listenable in Greencastle.

 

[brian_marchand]

Re: What stations does K-Love compete with specifically? If you can't say don't bother.

That is off topic (most discussions seem to go off topic quicky unfortunately which I don't care for) but I have to disagree with you from my expererince on WXIR. My question still is what specific full power, non commercial, female leaning christian adult AC, all music FM station does K-Love currently compete with having a full market signal. I listed a couple. WXIR was a commercial station so it would not have counted. I remeber having trouble hearing music on WXIR when I could get them in because WXIR had a lot of programs. Either way they were gone before K-Love came there. ME driving from IL on interste 74 then cutting south down to Greencaste 98.3 never came in on my radio. Not even in the car could I pick it up in Greencastle. In my brothers dorm I was able to mess with the antenna and barely pick up a scracthy signal. College students to blair the radio abd that was not possible with a static signal. So I doubt 98.3 had many listeners in Greencaste when it was so hard to pick. You had to drive a few miles east before it started to come in. This was about 1987-1991 when he was there. I have a blaubunk radio now that would pick it up better, but you were going to struggle with a cheap radio to get it.


> > My brother went to college in that area of
> > Greencaste, IN and there was never a ccm in the area west
> of
> > Indianapolis until K-Love came on.
>
> The old Love 98 sat about a dozen miles west of Indy with a
> tower just south of Rockville Road and west of the Marion /
> Hendricks County line. CCM from 1980 to the spring of 2003.
> Listenable in Greencastle.
>
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by brian_marchand on 10/24/05 02:08 AM.</FONT></P>

 

[whatzthat]

Re: What stations does K-Love compete with specifically? If you can't say don't bother.

"I understand they do not want to give away who
> they are maybe for the sake of their job I guess but I am
> sick of it genericac comments. Personally if you can not say
> where you are from then don't bother."

I think this is a free forum and anyone can say what they want (within the rules), feel free not to read it - obviously you are not in radio. Why do you think most people have a user name -not their own - there are ramifications of speaking aloud even in the Christian radio industry. You can be sure the ones that speak out "generically" are speaking in truth and from experience.

 

[brian_marchand]

I know the facts of every ccm station in the country.

The fact is I can not have an itelligent discussion with you because I do not know the station you are at. All I can do is guess and I hate that. It makes talking to you pointless and your post, even if true, undiscusable in any way of true understanding. I just look at these boards for information about specicific stations especially format flips and new stations to keep my list of all ccm stations in america current. I am only posting hear to clear up decepetion. Deception because a couple of posts talking about how K-Love does not need to be in a specific market because there is already a ccm station there makes it seem like that is the normal case. Reading posts here that is what most beleive.

So a few posts about stations that can not be disclosed makes it seem like K-Love is in alot of markets where a ccm is not needed because they already have a ccm. Without knowing what stations someone is talking about nothing can be defended or understood completely. There are always reasons for things.

Anyone can post here but there is boards more for professionals. I would prefer talk about specific stations. Not ones we can't mention. Talking about station that can not be mentionied solves nothing and causes misunderstandings. We can not have a complete discussion but only rants and the spread of false information withoutsome details. I think that is wrong. I blame you for that and others. But I am only one person who stands up to these people.

Really me saying that just kind of spilled out. I only wanted a discussion of what K-Love radio stations are currently in the same city/market with locally owned non-commercial, fulltime FM stations targeting the same adult ccm audience. I have said that above. That was all I was going to post. But from the response so far I think we have a few radio professionals who can't talk specifics or hobbiests not fimilar with the topic to talk about it and that is frustrating.

If that is the case no one should be saying anything in the future anymore. It makes me mad that there is a continuing blasting of K-Love hurting local ccm radio. But when I look at all the ccm stations nationwide I only see a handful of stations in the same market and things get blown out of proportion if we can not list the exact stations involved. It is wrong to say K-Love is hurting ccm nationwide when you can't even list what staions those are. In reality maybe around 5-7 stations nationwide out of the 300 or so stations they own have another noncomm ccm in that market.

It proves to me that there are a couple of people from those markets on this board who speak up and no one else knows enough about every ccm station nationwide to really know what is going on. Or these people complaining could be a commercial ccm.

Some will post K-Love has a new station and then someone will say it is ok since no other ccm station was there. Saying that you assume most K-Loves are in markets with other non-commercial ccm's. But the numbers do not back that up. In almost every market Klove is in execpt maybe 6 out of 300 they are the only adult non-comm full power ccm station there. I say 300 including translators or around 200 full power stations. But they all replacing translators with full power stations in many markets. And also have more translator CP's. At least over a hundred. But those are to rebroadcast outlying areas of existing signals not overlaping other non-com ccm stations.

So the number will rise to 400 in a couple years if God allows peace to remain in America. I say that because America is going to the path of world war 3 soon and continued natural disasters as God has taken hand of protection off this country. That is another topic but prophesied by many.

Those couple of times EMF has a K-Love station in a city with another local noncomm ccm there are reasons for it or how it happened in most circumstances. But we can not even discuss that because when someone does complain they can't even give any details. Or no one knows all the ccm stations in america to have an intelligent discussion but only wants to rant.

Well I do know all the ccm station in america and I know the facts. I can tell you exactly. Who else can name every single ccm FM station in the country. People just know what is in their market for the most part and what they read from others or a couple of the well known stations. I am not boasting but telling you I know what is going on. You name the market and I can tell you what ccm station or stations are there anywhere in the United States without looking it up with rare excepts. I have several maps with evey ccm station in the United states on it I update daily.

Those people assuming things without hard facts are wrong and deceiving. And not being able to talk about specifics perpetuates lies. It is no more than hear say then that can not be defended.

What people say may be truth and from experience but they are not listing the details of the market and do not know every ccm station in america. That causes things to be assumed. And then people beleive K-Love hurting most local non-commercial ccm stations ia america when it is not true. I wish a few on this board would shut up or put up. But that is not going to happen.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by brian_marchand on 10/25/05 09:56 AM.</FONT></P>

 

[HurricaneRun]

Re: I know the facts of every ccm station in the country.

> Without knowing what stations someone is talking about
> nothing can be defended or understood completely. There are
> always reasons for things. Anyone can post here but there is
> boards more for professionals. I would prefer talk about
> specific stations. Not ones we can't mention. We can not
> have a complete disscussion but only rants and the spread of
> false information without all the details. I think that is
> evil amd wrong. But I am only one person who stands up to
> these people. Really me saying that just kind of spilled out
> from my subcouscious. I serious wanted a discussion of what
> K-Love radio stations are currently in the same city/market
> with locally owned non-commercial, fulltime stations
> targeting the same adult ccm audience K-Love goes after
> nationwide. I have said that above. That was all I was going
> to post. But from the response so far I think we have a few
> radio professionals who can't talk specifics or hobbiests
> not fimilar with the topc to talk about it and that is
> frustating. If that is the case no one should be saying
> anything in the future anymore. It makes me mad, not even
> liking K-Love, that there is a contining blasting of K-Love
> hurting local ccm radio but when I look at all the ccm
> stations nationwide I only see a handful of stations in the
> same market and things get blown out of proportion if we can
> not list the exact stations involved. There is a big
> difference in implying as amost do hear that K-Love is
> hurting ccm nationwide when they can't even get a list
> together of what staions those are nationwide. In reality
> maybe around 5-7 stations nationwide out of the 300 or so
> stations they own are actually are in the same market with.
> It proves to me that there are a couple of people from those
> markets on this board who speak up and no one else knows
> enough about every ccm station nationwide to really know
> what is going on. Some will post K-Love has a new station
> and then someone will say it is ok since no other ccm
> station was there but inplies that that is rare and most
> K-Loves are currently hurting other non-com ccm's. But the
> numbers do not back that up. In almost every market Klove is
> in execpt maybe 6 out of 300 they are the only adult
> non-comm full power ccm station there. I say 300 including
> translators or around 200 full power stations. But they all
> replacing translators with full power stations in many
> markets. And also have more translator CP's. At least over a
> hundred but those are to rebroadcast current outlying areas
> of existing signals not overlaping other noncom ccm
> stations. So the number will rise to 400 in a couple years
> if God allows peace to remain in America. I say that because
> America is going to the path of world war 3 soon and
> continued natural disasters as God has taken hand of
> protection off this country. That is another topic but
> prophesied by many. Those couple times EMF has a K-Love
> station in a city with another local ccm there are reasons
> for it or how it happened in most circumstances. But we can
> not even discuss that because when someone does complain
> they can't even give any details or no one knows all the ccm
> stations in america to have an intelligent doscussion but
> only wants to rant. Well I do know all the ccm station in
> america and I know the facts. I can tell you exactly. Who
> else can name every single ccm FM station in the country. I
> can. People just know what is in their market for the most
> part and what they read from others or a couple of the well
> known stations. None of that would hold up in court. Can
> anyone but me name every single ccm station in america? I am
> not boastimng but telling you I know what is going on. I do
> have the facts. I challenge anyone. I am very serious. You
> name the market and I can tell you what ccn station or
> stations are there anywhere in the United states by heart
> without looking up with rare excepts. I have several maps
> with evey ccm station in the United stes on it I update
> daily. I know the facts. It is obvious no one else does.
> Those people assuming things without hard facts are wrong
> and deceiving. And not being able to talk about specifics
> perpetiuates lies. It is no more than hear say then that
> can not be defended. What people say may be truth and from
> experience but they are not listing the details of the
> market and do not know every ccm station in america or they
> would not be telling lies. Yes lies about K-Love hurting
> most locall non-comm ccm stations ia america when it is not
> true. Personally I do not beleive in bashing other
> christians even if they are wrong and that is what makes me
> the madest. I wish a few on this board would shut up or put
> up. But that is not going to happen.
>

Dear Brian,

Please learn how to use the "enter" button to seperate your message into different paragraphs. This should reduce run-on sentances and make your comments easier to read.

Sincerely,


The World

 

[brian_marchand]

I am offended by sacastic comments

I am currently at work and did not have time to re-read it. I was just putting some thoughts down to go back over but then got busy at work. But I hate your sarcastic comments. I was going to go back over it later with the edit function thinking no one would read it now overnight. And I hate typing. But thanks for the Postive and encouraging words from someone anonimous or however you spell it. I hate spelling too. The christian music industry is sure full of a lot of compassionate and loving people not bitter and ranting. That is saracasium. On this board the oppisite is true. There are about 3 people on this board I can sense the presence of the Holy Spirit in. That is sad.

> > Without knowing what stations someone is talking about
> > nothing can be defended or understood completely. There
> are
> > always reasons for things. Anyone can post here but there
> is
> > boards more for professionals. I would prefer talk about
> > specific stations. Not ones we can't mention. We can not
> > have a complete disscussion but only rants and the spread
> of
> > false information without all the details. I think that is
>
> > evil amd wrong. But I am only one person who stands up to
> > these people. Really me saying that just kind of spilled
> out
> > from my subcouscious. I serious wanted a discussion of
> what
> > K-Love radio stations are currently in the same
> city/market
> > with locally owned non-commercial, fulltime stations
> > targeting the same adult ccm audience K-Love goes after
> > nationwide. I have said that above. That was all I was
> going


> > to post. But from the response so far I think we have a
> few
> > radio professionals who can't talk specifics or hobbiests
> > not fimilar with the topc to talk about it and that is
> > frustating. If that is the case no one should be saying
> > anything in the future anymore. It makes me mad, not even
> > liking K-Love, that there is a contining blasting of
> K-Love
> > hurting local ccm radio but when I look at all the ccm
> > stations nationwide I only see a handful of stations in
> the
> > same market and things get blown out of proportion if we
> can
> > not list the exact stations involved. There is a big
> > difference in implying as amost do hear that K-Love is
> > hurting ccm nationwide when they can't even get a list
> > together of what staions those are nationwide. In reality
> > maybe around 5-7 stations nationwide out of the 300 or so
> > stations they own are actually are in the same market
> with.
> > It proves to me that there are a couple of people from
> those
> > markets on this board who speak up and no one else knows
> > enough about every ccm station nationwide to really know
> > what is going on. Some will post K-Love has a new station
> > and then someone will say it is ok since no other ccm
> > station was there but inplies that that is rare and most
> > K-Loves are currently hurting other non-com ccm's. But the
>
> > numbers do not back that up. In almost every market Klove
> is
> > in execpt maybe 6 out of 300 they are the only adult
> > non-comm full power ccm station there. I say 300 including
>
> > translators or around 200 full power stations. But they
> all
> > replacing translators with full power stations in many
> > markets. And also have more translator CP's. At least over
> a
> > hundred but those are to rebroadcast current outlying
> areas
> > of existing signals not overlaping other noncom ccm
> > stations. So the number will rise to 400 in a couple years
>
> > if God allows peace to remain in America. I say that
> because
> > America is going to the path of world war 3 soon and
> > continued natural disasters as God has taken hand of
> > protection off this country. That is another topic but
> > prophesied by many. Those couple times EMF has a K-Love
> > station in a city with another local ccm there are reasons
>
> > for it or how it happened in most circumstances. But we
> can
> > not even discuss that because when someone does complain
> > they can't even give any details or no one knows all the
> ccm
> > stations in america to have an intelligent doscussion but
> > only wants to rant. Well I do know all the ccm station in
> > america and I know the facts. I can tell you exactly. Who
> > else can name every single ccm FM station in the country.
> I
> > can. People just know what is in their market for the most
>
> > part and what they read from others or a couple of the
> well
> > known stations. None of that would hold up in court. Can
> > anyone but me name every single ccm station in america? I
> am
> > not boastimng but telling you I know what is going on. I
> do
> > have the facts. I challenge anyone. I am very serious. You
>
> > name the market and I can tell you what ccn station or
> > stations are there anywhere in the United states by heart
> > without looking up with rare excepts. I have several maps
> > with evey ccm station in the United stes on it I update
> > daily. I know the facts. It is obvious no one else does.
> > Those people assuming things without hard facts are wrong
> > and deceiving. And not being able to talk about specifics
> > perpetiuates lies. It is no more than hear say then that
> > can not be defended. What people say may be truth and from
>
> > experience but they are not listing the details of the
> > market and do not know every ccm station in america or
> they
> > would not be telling lies. Yes lies about K-Love hurting
> > most locall non-comm ccm stations ia america when it is
> not
> > true. Personally I do not beleive in bashing other
> > christians even if they are wrong and that is what makes
> me
> > the madest. I wish a few on this board would shut up or
> put
> > up. But that is not going to happen.
> >
>
> Dear Brian,
>
> Please learn how to use the "enter" button to seperate your
> message into different paragraphs. This should reduce
> run-on sentances and make your comments easier to read.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> The World
>

 

[whatzthat]

Re: I know the facts of every ccm station in the country.

Your quotes my friend with my replies:

" There are always reasons for things."
hummnnnn........I'm not going to sit around and figure that statement out. You think there is a reason for a station that seems to have no radio etiquette. Possibly true - greed and power.

" Anyone can post here but there is boards more for
> professionals."
For one thing, you sentence has horrible grammar but are you throwing professionals off of this board? I would dare say there are more professionals on here than someone who is a radio lover. Who are you???

"We can not have a complete discussion but
> only rants and the spread of false information withoutsome
> details. I think that is wrong. I blame you for that and
> others. But I am only one person who stands up to these
> people. "

Excuse me but we professionals live our professions every day. You can choose to believe our experiences or live in a dream world. You don't understand radio it seems and it's inner workings. I'm not going to defend what I wrote, I already know that others have experienced the same. Who is the "people" you are standing up to - someone who has been through it and is giving you an insight to the inner workings of our daily life with a steamroller network?
You don't have to be a CCM station to be run over by these people - they could care less what your format is.

It makes me mad that there is a continuing
> blasting of K-Love hurting local ccm radio.
"you are such an innocent. You think it makes you mad to read about it, you should live it. I reacted to another situation of working with them because it was fresh. I'm praying about it and turning it over with God. He is my defender and down the road, I have no doubt that He won't take care of this situation that I and others have to face.
>
" Some will post K-Love has a new station and then someone
> will say it is ok since no other ccm station was there."

I think that is great - going into a market that has no CCM station is great. It's a shame that they have such a high standard of not going into many areas that need Christian radio - they must only go into highly populated areas.
>
" Those couple of times EMF has a K-Love station in a city
> with another local noncomm ccm there are reasons for it or
> how it happened in most circumstances. "

How do you know that? Clue us all in please.

"Well I do know all the ccm station in america and I know the
> facts. I can tell you exactly. Who else can name every
> single ccm FM station in the country."

Who cares???????????????

"Those people assuming things without hard facts are wrong
> and deceiving. And not being able to talk about specifics
> perpetuates lies. It is no more than hear say then that can
> not be defended."

Well don't say that to reporters who are going to jail for their
not revealing their sources.
You can choose to believe the info or not.I don't need to defend what I said because I live it. I just need my head examined for trusting you to understand.

 

[whatzthat]

Re: I am offended by sacastic comments

Brian: "I am currently at work and did not have time to re-read it.
> I was just putting some thoughts down to go back over but
> then got busy at work. But I hate your sarcastic comments. I
> was going to go back over it later with the edit function
> thinking no one would read it now overnight. And I hate
> typing. But thanks for the Postive and encouraging words"

And I loved it!

 

[HurricaneRun]

Re: I am offended by sacastic comments

> I am currently at work and did not have time to re-read it.
> I was just putting some thoughts down to go back over but
> then got busy at work. But I hate your sarcastic comments. I
> was going to go back over it later with the edit function
> thinking no one would read it now overnight. And I hate
> typing. But thanks for the Postive and encouraging words
> from someone anonimous or however you spell it. I hate
> spelling too. The christian music industry is sure full of a
> lot of compassionate and loving people not bitter and
> ranting.

Not to kick a guy when he is down, but does anyone else find it amusing that in a K-LOVE defense thread someone used the phrase "Positive and encouraging"?

As far as your thread is concerned, I basically agree with you. I think EMF (K-LOVE and AIR1's parent) is a good ministry that is touching a lot of lives. As with any organization that is successful and becomes the leader in their industry, there are a lot of people envious of their position. A lot of these people frequent this board.

EMF is not without sin. They have they're faults (short playlist, lack of localism, etc.) but unlike a lot of Christian radio i would be proud to tell a non-believer to listen. There are a number of Christian stations/networks that make a little embarrassed to be a human. The sound quality and processing on EMF stations is fantastic, and the whole station sounds very smooth with great transitions and good jocks. The quality of their product overall is very good.

One final thought for Brian. If you want people to take your post seriously, you need to use decent grammar. I am not talking English professor quality, just decent. Hitting one button to separate thoughts into different paragraphs is not a time-consuming endeavor. If you don't have Microsoft Word or something else that has a spell-checker you can use Google. It has a wonderful spell-checker built right into the search.

HR


>That is saracasium. On this board the oppisite is
> true. There are about 3 people on this board I can sense the
> presence of the Holy Spirit in. That is sad.
>
> > > Without knowing what stations someone is talking about
> > > nothing can be defended or understood completely. There
> > are
> > > always reasons for things. Anyone can post here but
> there
> > is
> > > boards more for professionals. I would prefer talk about
>
> > > specific stations. Not ones we can't mention. We can not
>
> > > have a complete disscussion but only rants and the
> spread
> > of
> > > false information without all the details. I think that
> is
> >
> > > evil amd wrong. But I am only one person who stands up
> to
> > > these people. Really me saying that just kind of spilled
>
> > out
> > > from my subcouscious. I serious wanted a discussion of
> > what
> > > K-Love radio stations are currently in the same
> > city/market
> > > with locally owned non-commercial, fulltime stations
> > > targeting the same adult ccm audience K-Love goes after
> > > nationwide. I have said that above. That was all I was
> > going
>
>
> > > to post. But from the response so far I think we have a
> > few
> > > radio professionals who can't talk specifics or
> hobbiests
> > > not fimilar with the topc to talk about it and that is
> > > frustating. If that is the case no one should be saying
> > > anything in the future anymore. It makes me mad, not
> even
> > > liking K-Love, that there is a contining blasting of
> > K-Love
> > > hurting local ccm radio but when I look at all the ccm
> > > stations nationwide I only see a handful of stations in
> > the
> > > same market and things get blown out of proportion if we
>
> > can
> > > not list the exact stations involved. There is a big
> > > difference in implying as amost do hear that K-Love is
> > > hurting ccm nationwide when they can't even get a list
> > > together of what staions those are nationwide. In
> reality
> > > maybe around 5-7 stations nationwide out of the 300 or
> so
> > > stations they own are actually are in the same market
> > with.
> > > It proves to me that there are a couple of people from
> > those
> > > markets on this board who speak up and no one else knows
>
> > > enough about every ccm station nationwide to really know
>
> > > what is going on. Some will post K-Love has a new
> station
> > > and then someone will say it is ok since no other ccm
> > > station was there but inplies that that is rare and most
>
> > > K-Loves are currently hurting other non-com ccm's. But
> the
> >
> > > numbers do not back that up. In almost every market
> Klove
> > is
> > > in execpt maybe 6 out of 300 they are the only adult
> > > non-comm full power ccm station there. I say 300
> including
> >
> > > translators or around 200 full power stations. But they
> > all
> > > replacing translators with full power stations in many
> > > markets. And also have more translator CP's. At least
> over
> > a
> > > hundred but those are to rebroadcast current outlying
> > areas
> > > of existing signals not overlaping other noncom ccm
> > > stations. So the number will rise to 400 in a couple
> years
> >
> > > if God allows peace to remain in America. I say that
> > because
> > > America is going to the path of world war 3 soon and
> > > continued natural disasters as God has taken hand of
> > > protection off this country. That is another topic but
> > > prophesied by many. Those couple times EMF has a K-Love
> > > station in a city with another local ccm there are
> reasons
> >
> > > for it or how it happened in most circumstances. But we
> > can
> > > not even discuss that because when someone does complain
>
> > > they can't even give any details or no one knows all the
>
> > ccm
> > > stations in america to have an intelligent doscussion
> but
> > > only wants to rant. Well I do know all the ccm station
> in
> > > america and I know the facts. I can tell you exactly.
> Who
> > > else can name every single ccm FM station in the
> country.
> > I
> > > can. People just know what is in their market for the
> most
> >
> > > part and what they read from others or a couple of the
> > well
> > > known stations. None of that would hold up in court. Can
>
> > > anyone but me name every single ccm station in america?
> I
> > am
> > > not boastimng but telling you I know what is going on. I
>
> > do
> > > have the facts. I challenge anyone. I am very serious.
> You
> >
> > > name the market and I can tell you what ccn station or
> > > stations are there anywhere in the United states by
> heart
> > > without looking up with rare excepts. I have several
> maps
> > > with evey ccm station in the United stes on it I update
> > > daily. I know the facts. It is obvious no one else does.
>
> > > Those people assuming things without hard facts are
> wrong
> > > and deceiving. And not being able to talk about
> specifics
> > > perpetiuates lies. It is no more than hear say then
> that
> > > can not be defended. What people say may be truth and
> from
> >
> > > experience but they are not listing the details of the
> > > market and do not know every ccm station in america or
> > they
> > > would not be telling lies. Yes lies about K-Love hurting
>
> > > most locall non-comm ccm stations ia america when it is
> > not
> > > true. Personally I do not beleive in bashing other
> > > christians even if they are wrong and that is what makes
>
> > me
> > > the madest. I wish a few on this board would shut up or
> > put
> > > up. But that is not going to happen.
> > >
> >
> > Dear Brian,
> >
> > Please learn how to use the "enter" button to seperate
> your
> > message into different paragraphs. This should reduce
> > run-on sentances and make your comments easier to read.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> >
> > The World
> >
>

 

[CPAlistener]

Re: What stations does K-Love compete with specifically? If you can't say don't bother.

I can name one. WRXV Rev FM 89.1 in State College, PA. 10 months after the new WRXV CCM formatted station signed on the air, EMF signed an lease-time agreement on a full power station serving the same area. The satellite dish that picks up the K-Love feed sits less than 4 miles from the studio of WRXV. It's hard enough to start a new radio station, but to face competition from a well established network who can buy their way into the market is really tough!

What's worse, the owners of the local station were a part of a seminar with Dick Jenkins, president of EMF at GMA Week back in 2000. Mr. Jenkins promised EMF/K-Love would never come into a market with a local CCM station. When the owners of WRXV confronted Mr. Jenkins on it, he produced a coverage map that supposedly showed they weren't in competition because their 70dbu contours barely overlapped. The FCC doesn't use 70dbu contours when determining service area for non-commercial radio stations, they use the 60dbu contour. Basically, Mr. Jenkins just wanted to justify breaking his promise.

I think it's great that unserved areas can get a CCM format through K-Love, but it's not very Christ-like of EMF to come in and crush the dreams laid on the hearts of local people who worked for over a decade to bring a local CCM station on the air -- Just because EMF has the money to do it.

 

[brian_stevens]

Re: What stations does K-Love compete with specifically? If you can't say don't bother.

> That is off topic (most discussions seem to go off topic
> quicky unfortunately which I don't care for) but I have to
> disagree with you from my expererince on WXIR.

I will defer to your expertise and simply offer my apology.

 

[radioelizabeth]

Reply and Regarding threads as this...

CPAlistener wrote:
"I think it's great that unserved areas can get a CCM format through K-Love, but it's not very Christ-like of EMF to come in and crush the dreams laid on the hearts of local people who worked for over a decade to bring a local CCM station on the air -- Just because EMF has the money to do it."


I'm really not too certain I'm seeing how EMF is "not very Christ-like" in this action? We really have no idea how God is using either of these stations to touch hearts and change lives. And none of us know the hearts of those behind these decisions. It's a bold assumption and broad judgement to define these actions in such a way.

We live in a capitalistic society. This allows for locals to follow their dreams and companies like EMF to follow theirs also. Best of success to all who try!

I'll have to back another post that gave KLOVE kudos for quality work. There are MANY stations (local and network) that I would have a hard time introducing to my friends.

Competition forces quality. Being a "Christian" and wanting to "do Christian radio" simply aren't enough. Seems to me, there is often a lot of bitterness because a new store in town is attracting some business. Welcome to Main Street, USA.

What a privilege for us to live in a country so blessed.


Regarding safety, industry backlash, job security, or any other post about hiding behind usernames on boards as this: I heard a great quote recently about how monsters hide in the dark. The point is, (and this is truly just my opinion for what it is worth) if you can't stand tall and proud behind your words, why say them. I have more respect for someone who speaks too soon, but at least speaks in the open than anyone who puts on a false front to save their neck.

You will find a few of us who post regularly who have never feared for future employment or the risk of our jobs. Wisdom isn't about finding a place to hide, it's about watching your step.

I'm sorry Brian, that you have not seen results from your thread. I imagine with some time and research you can find the information on your own. A message board may not be the best place to uncover it. Kudos to you for challenging the very broad brush strokes painting EMF and other quality radio in a negative light.


e
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[GaryThompson]

Re: Reply and Regarding threads as this...

Wisdom.

Good to see it. This post is filled with it, E.

And "here here" about hiding behind usernames.

Character is not what you do when everyone is looking. It's what you do when no one can see you (or who you really are).

Ouch. I stung myself on that one.




>
>
> I'm really not too certain I'm seeing how EMF is "not very
> Christ-like" in this action? We really have no idea how God
> is using either of these stations to touch hearts and change
> lives. And none of us know the hearts of those behind these
> decisions. It's a bold assumption and broad judgement to
> define these actions in such a way.
>
> We live in a capitalistic society. This allows for locals to
> follow their dreams and companies like EMF to follow theirs
> also. Best of success to all who try!
>
> I'll have to back another post that gave KLOVE kudos for
> quality work. There are MANY stations (local and network)
> that I would have a hard time introducing to my friends.
>
> Competition forces quality. Being a "Christian" and wanting
> to "do Christian radio" simply aren't enough. Seems to me,
> there is often a lot of bitterness because a new store in
> town is attracting some business. Welcome to Main Street,
> USA.
>
> What a privilege for us to live in a country so blessed.
>
>
> Regarding safety, industry backlash, job security, or any
> other post about hiding behind usernames on boards as this:
> I heard a great quote recently about how monsters hide in
> the dark. The point is, (and this is truly just my opinion
> for what it is worth) if you can't stand tall and proud
> behind your words, why say them. I have more respect for
> someone who speaks too soon, but at least speaks in the open
> than anyone who puts on a false front to save their neck.
>
> You will find a few of us who post regularly who have never
> feared for future employment or the risk of our jobs. Wisdom
> isn't about running and hiding, its about watching your
> step.
>
> I'm sorry Brian, that you have not seen results from your
> thread. I imagine with some time and research you can find
> the information on your own. A message board may not be the
> best place to uncover it. Kudos to you for challenging the
> very broad brush strokes painting EMF and other quality
> radio in a negative light.
>
>
> e
>

 

[whatzthat]

Re: What stations does K-Love compete with specifically? If you can't say don't bother.

"Mr. Jenkins promised EMF/K-Love would never come into a market with a local CCM station."

A memory lapse perhaps -Well you know Christians don't have to keep their word - it's the "new age".:0)

I actually have met a few men of integrity in radio - one station came to see us area years ago as they were thinking about buying an open frequency in our area - they then decided they would be infringing on us if they did since we both had similar formats. That is a decent station & since then God has doubled their power and they also have another station in a location a little further away from their orginal signal and that signal is huge.

There are probably many more like that one but you know most local stations feel a little squeeze from one side EMF and the on other side Salem, although Salem doesn't really care about being local or showing up anywhere. They just like to buy up everything, magazines, frequencies etc.

I, and I am sure most of us value integrity and fight for it in whatever we do and it is so annoying to see it as unacceptable behavior elsewhere. Radio stations should show respect for each other - its called radio etiquette and these people from CA don't have it. Crashing exclusive concerts or events takes guts and that they do have. I have so many stories.............it is foolishness and it's time for this network to grow up and act responsible.

One last positive and encouraging thing, I would rather have them in the area. I know their tricks now and it has helped us stay on our toes and gotten us out of the studio into the community - sort of an iron sharpening iron thing. We just find them unbelievable quite often, though all local stations shouldn't be intimated by them. A Pastor once said if you know God has given you a direction and the anointing to do something then He will keep you going no matter what powerhouse comes in your neighborhood.

 

[whatzthat]

Re: What stations does K-Love compete with specifically? If you can't say don't bother.

"Mr. Jenkins promised EMF/K-Love would never come into a market with a local CCM station."

A memory lapse perhaps -Well you know Christians don't have to keep their word - it's the "new age".:0)

I actually have met a few men of integrity in radio - one station came to see us area years ago as they were thinking about buying an open frequency in our area - they then decided they would be infringing on us if they did since we both had similar formats. That is a decent station & since then God has doubled their power and they also have another station in a location a little further away from their orginal signal and that signal is huge.

There are probably many more like that one but you know most local stations feel a little squeeze from one side EMF and the on other side Salem, although Salem doesn't really care about being local or showing up anywhere. They just like to buy up everything, magazines, frequencies etc.

I, and I am sure most of us value integrity and fight for it in whatever we do and it is so annoying to see it as unacceptable behavior elsewhere. Radio stations should show respect for each other - its called radio etiquette and these people from CA don't have it. Crashing exclusive concerts or events takes guts and that they do have. I have so many stories.............it is foolishness and it's time for this network to grow up and act responsible.

One last positive and encouraging thing, I would rather have them in the area. I know their tricks now and it has helped us stay on our toes and gotten us out of the studio into the community - sort of an iron sharpening iron thing. We just find them unbelievable quite often, though all local stations shouldn't be intimated by them. A Pastor once said if you know God has given you a direction and the anointing to do something then He will keep you going no matter what powerhouse comes in your neighborhood.

 

[whatzthat]

Re: Reply and Regarding threads as this...

"There are MANY stations (local and network) that I would have a hard time introducing to my friends"

Well lets just talk them into selling to a network so you can be proud. God certainly couldn't use a station that doesn't come up to your standards. Am I being correct about your statement?
I certainly agree with your statement about competition forcing quality but in comparison with my local secular stations, they have more quality than the network we are referring to. At least they don't cut off their words in mid sentences, put out wrong information because they can't pull if off the air when events change, and they have respect for each other even if it is forced. No secular station is going to bust someones concert, they will just call the police and have the other station escorted out. Perhaps we should do that to disrespectful Christian stations, or do you think it is acceptable behavior to crash exclusive concerts/events?

Concering our posting; in your own words "What a privilege for us to live in a country so blessed." You are so right, we have the right to post as we want, you have the right to read it or not.

 

[whatzthat]

Re: I am offended by sacastic comments

"there are a lot of people envious of their position"

Please know I do not envy their position. I want to make that very clear. I was actually excited when they came to this area. I don't dislike the people on the air, I don't even dislike the reps, it's the inner workings that take the joy away from what we do. I do my very best to work with them, I've held hands with them on the stage and felt the knife in my back afterwards. There are always surprises and tricks - I find that a waste of time for the work of the Kingdom. To quote Greta Garbo "I vant to be alone".

 

[radioelizabeth]

Re: Reply and Regarding threads as this...

whatzthat wrote:
"God certainly couldn't use a station that doesn't come up to your standards."

God is able to do anything and everything. But let's not let our faith be an excuse for poor performance and lack of effort. It's very easy to make a claim that because it's "Christian radio" it is better than any other station in town. That is simply not the case. Content and message may be narrower and the vision may point to a greater purpose, but it is a mistake to assume another frequency isn't a better choice for a listener OR a tool used by our God.



"No secular station is going to bust someones concert, they will just call the police and have the other station escorted out."

Wrong. Happens ALL the time. All formats. All markets.



"do you think it is acceptable behavior to crash exclusive concerts/events?"

I think it is naive to rely on "radio etiquette" or even assume it exists. Certainly we should show professional respect (including on boards as this), and obey the law and all guidelines required within the city of license, but to create some secret standard of behavior that has no real parameters and definitely no way to measure it's application just isn't good business sense.


I'd like to address the tone and inference to the "right to post whatever we want" because I sense offense. By all means, post and comment in your own way. It's a forum, a board, a free exchange of ideas. We all do the same. And then we prepare ourselves for others to determine our experience and education while they interpret our use of wisdom, discretion, honor, and character in every word.

e




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[varedhead]

Re: Reply and Regarding threads as this...

> CPAlistener wrote:
> "I think it's great that unserved areas can get a CCM format
> through K-Love, but it's not very Christ-like of EMF to come
> in and crush the dreams laid on the hearts of local people
> who worked for over a decade to bring a local CCM station on
> the air -- Just because EMF has the money to do it."
>
>
> I'm really not too certain I'm seeing how EMF is "not very
> Christ-like" in this action? We really have no idea how God
> is using either of these stations to touch hearts and change
> lives. And none of us know the hearts of those behind these
> decisions. It's a bold assumption and broad judgement to
> define these actions in such a way.
>
> We live in a capitalistic society. This allows for locals to
> follow their dreams and companies like EMF to follow theirs
> also. Best of success to all who try!
>
> I'll have to back another post that gave KLOVE kudos for
> quality work. There are MANY stations (local and network)
> that I would have a hard time introducing to my friends.
>
> Competition forces quality. Being a "Christian" and wanting
> to "do Christian radio" simply aren't enough. Seems to me,
> there is often a lot of bitterness because a new store in
> town is attracting some business. Welcome to Main Street,
> USA.
>
> What a privilege for us to live in a country so blessed.
>
>
> Regarding safety, industry backlash, job security, or any
> other post about hiding behind usernames on boards as this:
> I heard a great quote recently about how monsters hide in
> the dark. The point is, (and this is truly just my opinion
> for what it is worth) if you can't stand tall and proud
> behind your words, why say them. I have more respect for
> someone who speaks too soon, but at least speaks in the open
> than anyone who puts on a false front to save their neck.
>
> You will find a few of us who post regularly who have never
> feared for future employment or the risk of our jobs. Wisdom
> isn't about finding a place to hide, it's about watching
> your step.
>
> I'm sorry Brian, that you have not seen results from your
> thread. I imagine with some time and research you can find
> the information on your own. A message board may not be the
> best place to uncover it. Kudos to you for challenging the
> very broad brush strokes painting EMF and other quality
> radio in a negative light.
>
>
> e
>
Capitalism is great but aren't we instead heading toward a monopoly in Christian radio? It seems we are losing stations to big networks too often - that means no capitalism just one network everywhere. Is that what you look forward to in radio, if so there are going to be a lot of unemployed people including yourself "e". There are only so many slots open in California and each station sold to this network means a whole lotta people out of work. Just something to think about.