Let's cut to the chase and leave 97.1 out of this because with the exception of a full blown classic rock tweek, they are irrelevant. Two herritage rock stations have been killed within a 4848 hour period and even those of you that despise modern rock should feel our pain. Im totally confused and if the answer is "We don't know" then answe as such. What is going to happen with 100.5? It was hinted on facebook that something was coming. A tweet was also posted on this board that more changes were coming. 98.9 being the only source for modern rock ain't cutting it considering the signal gets no further out that the perimeter. Do we expect something in coming days on 100.5? Maybe a aaa?alternative hybrid? Im really confused with all these posts on the board with straight up long range speculation. Do we have any facts that may lead up to something changing on 100.5? What about 105.7? What about 105.3?
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What The Hell Is Up With Rock in Atlanta
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acheron82 said:
Well the CC swap / flip rumors were once long range speculation... and look what happened! It turned into FACTS!
Not sure what 100.5 will do, but they should be feeling quite a bit of freedom right now to take advantage of a few golden opportunities... if alternative and oldies are really as needed as people have been suggesting. To be honest, I'm not exactly sure how oldies couldn't work, but oldies isn't my expertise, so I'll just leave that entire situation alone. Not sure about rock or alternative... what passes as alternative music these days? What I've heard lately definitely is not the same as what it used to be.
danman425 said:
I think this is their master plan, hose it and when the Dickey boys and Clear Channel can't keep the lights on, go cry to Wahington for a taxpayer bailout, just like GM.
They certainly aren't giving a damn what listeners in the communities they serve have to say.
MRFLASHPORT said:
Oh come on. One station you like changes format, and you think it will bankrupt the company? When Citadel went bankrupt, they never asked anyone for a bailout. Given the current government stalemate, if any company went looking for a bailout, it wouldn't get passed, regardless of how important. And radio isn't that important.
Think again, you think FEMA buying a ton of AM and FM transmitters and hardware is by accident?
These people are smarter than we give them credit. They KNOW their medium and business model is as old as dialup Internet, VHS VCRs and cassette tapes are. They KNOW their days are numbered. They KNOW that consumers WANT choice.
They also know the federal government is in the business of bailing out corporate America when Wall street will tell you to go enjoy yourself. They will use their "community service" and "vital news and emergency notification" aka EAS to justify their being bailed out by the Feds. The Feds Interest will be in keeping the EAS network alive, and it will always be cheaper to use existing infrastructure than to continue on their buildout of standby facilities.
The Dickeys will be laughing into their retirement, driving a Bentley, on your and my dime, while we struggle to make the payments on our houses and Ford F150s while we fund their retirement.
Watch and see.
These people are smarter than we give them credit. They KNOW their medium and business model is as old as dialup Internet, VHS VCRs and cassette tapes are. They KNOW their days are numbered. They KNOW that consumers WANT choice.
They also know the federal government is in the business of bailing out corporate America when Wall street will tell you to go enjoy yourself. They will use their "community service" and "vital news and emergency notification" aka EAS to justify their being bailed out by the Feds. The Feds Interest will be in keeping the EAS network alive, and it will always be cheaper to use existing infrastructure than to continue on their buildout of standby facilities.
The Dickeys will be laughing into their retirement, driving a Bentley, on your and my dime, while we struggle to make the payments on our houses and Ford F150s while we fund their retirement.
Watch and see.
MRFLASHPORT said:
Huh? The government can't own domestic broadcasting. Against the law.
When was the last government bail out? How many years ago? They won't do it again. And if the GOP gets in charge, they'll never spend another domestic dime. So forget it.
In the last few weeks, both CC and Cumulus have purchased radio stations in other markets. They aren't hurting, and they don't think their business is outdated. However, they think certain formats are losers, and one of them was 99X. Look at the recent ratings for 99X. One of the lowest rated radio stations in Atlanta. You can't "serve the public" if they don't listen, and they weren't. That's why it's changing. To get a format more people will listen to. Maybe not you. But others will.
And before Flash brings up the "it was on a translator" excuse, Journey is on a translator and had better ratings than the pathetic .2/.3 99x was getting. I mostly liked 99x, but it must not have been profitable enough and I understand that.
TheBigA said:
The government already does indeed own broadcast facilities, WPBA in Atlanta: City of Atlanta Board of Education...sounds like government to me. Been to Dallas, TX? WRR-FM, owned and operated by...the city of Dallas, TX- a GOVERNMENT. And it's a commercial class C station. Uh oh, better call the FCC enforcement bureau and let them know! Duh, they've only been at since 1948. So don't think for a minute that the idea of government owning media outlets isn't gonna happen. The bailout of corporate America by the Feds precedent has already been set, and you're a fool if you think it can't/won't happen again. These are the same rat bastards who stole millions and got away free, all paid for by you and I. So get ready, BOHICA, without so much as the courtesy of a reacharound.
99X was on a much weaker translator signal than Journey. 98.9 got all kinds of interference from S.C, and was often covered up from some other country station, even where I live. You're right, hard to serve the public when you no one can hear you because you're running flea power on an FM channel that is already short spaced and overcrowded.
Like I said, less choice, more people tune out radio. And when they leave, they are GONE to Ipod/streaming/Pandora whatever and NEVER coming back. This industry is up to something, and we must be a test market or the first phase of it.
MRFLASHPORT said:
FEMA is the Feds. They can't own anything. Bailouts come from the feds. There's a difference between feds and states. It's in the Constitution. Cumulus won't be going to the Atlanta BOE for a bail out. They won't get one, either.
MRFLASHPORT said:
For every listener like you who says they're going away, there are lots more to replace them. Overall numbers are just fine.
Blame the record labels. They're the ones who ruined rock music. Had they done a better job signing and marketing music, rock would still be the format it once was.
Are there any college stations featuring alternative or rock?
MRFLASHPORT said:
IIRC, in 1920, the city of Dallas tried an experiment to establish wireless communication for its fire and police departments, which evolved into WRR when they started playing music during the "down times". WRR was the oldest AM station in Dallas, but was sold to a private company. However, the city kept WRR's FM outlet because its citizens demanded it keep classical music on the air. WRR has always been owned by "government"; there's no surprise there.
However the "surprise" is to find out that FEMA, specifically (because you said so), owns AM and FM stations or transmitters. Since I can't find any link to any AM or FM station or transmitter owned specifically by FEMA, please provide the name(s) and location(s) of the station(s) or transmitter(s) owned specifically by FEMA. Thanks.
TheBigA said:
Can someone explain why people keep posting this?
MARKET #2: LOS ANGELES
Hot AC + Alternative = 10.7 share
CHR/M + Rhythmic = 13.8 share
Not a huge difference...
MARKET #8: PHILADELPHIA
Hot AC + Alternative + Active Rock + AAA = 15.8 share
CHR/M + Rhythmic = 9.5 share
Looks like in Philly, Rock has better ratings than pop...
And again, look at the ITunes chart...
#3 = Fun "Some Nights"
#7 - Phillip Phillipps "Home"
#9 - Neon Trees "Everybody Talks"
#11 - Jason Mraz "I Won't Give Up"
#14 - Train "50 Ways To Say Goodbye"
#23 - The Lumineers "Ho Hey"
#28 - Matchbox Twenty "She's So Mean"
With the exception of Neon Trees, radio airplay is FAR BELOW SALES - the idea that there isn't quality pop/rock out there is obviously a myth - people are buying pop/rock in huge quantities even though radio is barely playing it
ccinsider said:
Agreed. Probably your best bet after DAVE finishes circling the drain.
On another note: I've been wondering about the state of rock music in the US for a while. It's obviously bigger in some cities than it is in others but in general, it feels like it's been on ignore by the music industry...kind of tucked away to the back room where nobody would see it, like the black sheep of the family.
Look at, for example, the Billboard music awards.
TOP ALTERNATIVE ARTIST
COLDPLAY, FOSTER THE PEOPLE, FOO FIGHTERS, MUMFORD & SONS, THE BLACK KEYS
TOP ROCK ARTIST
COLDPLAY, FOSTER THE PEOPLE, FOO FIGHTERS, MUMFORD & SONS, THE BLACK KEYS
This looks like nobody cared enough to consider the artists and the genres and essentially just did a simple copy/paste. (This happened with the Top Rock and Alternative Album categories as well.) I like Foo Fighters..I like The Black keys...but I don't think they other artists really needed to be in both categories and I really don't consider Coldplay much of a rock band...not in the sense we are used to. Maybe it was a name recognition thing...I don't know. This just screams "we're billboard magazine...and we're out of touch". I seem to recall a time when billboard was pretty much cutting edge..not status quo.
But then we have THIS....
TOP ROCK SONG
ROLLING IN THE DEEP - ADELE, SOMEONE LIKE YOU - ADELE, PARADISE - COLDPLAY, PUMPED UP KICKS - FOSTER THE PEOPLE, WALK - FOO FIGHTERS
Adele? How? To quote Ricky Ricardo "Please 'splain this to me, Lucy." How does an artist who's all over the top 100, top 200, hot 100, pop, female, etc. somehow get into the top rock song category? Or even....
TOP ALTERNATIVE SONG
ROLLING IN THE DEEP-ADELE, SAIL - AWOLNATION, PARADISE - COLDPLAY, PUMPED UP KICKS - FOSTER THE PEOPLE, THE CAVE - MUMFORD & SONS
....I'm confused. Is there a secret reorganization of the genres going on?
Billboard has a hard rock category. Why weren't they included? Are they afraid to scare someone with band names such as Slipknot and Five Finger Death Punch?
Even the Grammy awards just dissed the hell out of rock altogether by combining the rock categories:
Past:
Best Female Rock Vocal Performance
Best Male Rock Vocal Performance
Best Rock Solo Vocal Performance
Best Rock Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocal
Best Rock Instrumental Performance
Best Hard Rock/Metal Performance, Vocal or Instrumental
Best Hard Rock Performance
Best Metal Performance
Present:
Best Rock Performance
Best Hard Rock/Metal Performance
Best Rock Song
Best Rock Album
Is it really the music or is it the costs involved in making the music? Let's be honest, many of the larger studios have shut down because technology got less expensive. I imagine it may cost more money for a band to record an album than it might for a hip-hop artist. Having worked in the production side of music years ago, my experience with hip-hop artists was that the musicians were often the producers as well. It also didn’t take as much time to produce such a record because everything was done with MIDI and computers, so less bad takes and mistakes.
I guess, in the end, while I'm a bit bummed that there doesn't appear to be much support for rock right now, on the other hand, I don't mind being part of a musical minority. But it's made it harder for people who don't have access to satellite or internet radio.
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