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What will WRKO do to improve their product (if anything)?
- Thread starter frnkp2000
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They are resistant to make 97.7 an FM simulcast of RKO and I don't know of any FMs that are up for sale should Ent. want to buy one to make it happen. (Imagine what WEEI's lot would be like had they
not bought 93.7 when they did! Maybe they'd be like the 850 in Cle., WKNR, which got competition on FM from CBS, on 92.3; as I said all 3 Cle. teams are apparently on AM 1100 WTAM, and you've got "The Fan" 92.3 with sports talk--though they'd be wise to move it to their 98.5 there if they can--
and WKNR is stuck on AM...the Tribe will be simulcast on 100.7 this year, WMMS, another CC
property.)
Would RKO become C's flagship or would that hurt WEEI? In 2006 a deal was made by Ent.* to keep the Sox with RKO becoming flagship, the idea to help RKO ratings. It started the next year and the Sox went all the way to a World Series championship; EEI carried some games. By 2009,
Sports Hub debuted (August) and by a strange co-incidence Ent. switched the Sox back to
WEEI. Wow! That was a surprise, eh? Then 2 years and 1 month later, Ent. finally pulled
the plug on Mike and put EEI on 93.7.
*--Greater backed off from a proposed deal to carry the Sox and maybe even make the team
a partner. We would have had either "Sports 92.9 WBOS" or they could have kept it a music
station but with Sox games.
not bought 93.7 when they did! Maybe they'd be like the 850 in Cle., WKNR, which got competition on FM from CBS, on 92.3; as I said all 3 Cle. teams are apparently on AM 1100 WTAM, and you've got "The Fan" 92.3 with sports talk--though they'd be wise to move it to their 98.5 there if they can--
and WKNR is stuck on AM...the Tribe will be simulcast on 100.7 this year, WMMS, another CC
property.)
Would RKO become C's flagship or would that hurt WEEI? In 2006 a deal was made by Ent.* to keep the Sox with RKO becoming flagship, the idea to help RKO ratings. It started the next year and the Sox went all the way to a World Series championship; EEI carried some games. By 2009,
Sports Hub debuted (August) and by a strange co-incidence Ent. switched the Sox back to
WEEI. Wow! That was a surprise, eh? Then 2 years and 1 month later, Ent. finally pulled
the plug on Mike and put EEI on 93.7.
*--Greater backed off from a proposed deal to carry the Sox and maybe even make the team
a partner. We would have had either "Sports 92.9 WBOS" or they could have kept it a music
station but with Sox games.
As for Laurojrm's idea, RKO may feel "don't fix what ain't broke" but suppose they do want to try these to make themselves better.
Weekdays
America Tonight--again they may be happy with C2C and maybe they have to carry it
WRKO Today--they do have local in there with Jeff Kuhner, for now
The Good Life Show--don't know if they would
>>Listen to Big City 101.3 weekdays 8am hour-They have Various Topics
Ah, that's right, emulate a pirate.
John Batchelor--maybe, who knows, but for now they have a contract to run Levin
and then Doyle. Would they consider replacing the Doyle delayed show with Savage?
Weekends
I don't know if Jen Brien is under contract to WBZ; prob not as she may be on only
once a wk or so for them and I think she does weekends on the Cape, doesn't she?
I hadn't heard of Genesis Comm. before and not sure how many stations they're on with
all these shows. They have Alex Jones, whom I've heard of; one time Charlie Sheen got on there and wondered if the Twin Towers may have been brought down by the government.
http://www.gcnlive.com/
Weekdays
America Tonight--again they may be happy with C2C and maybe they have to carry it
WRKO Today--they do have local in there with Jeff Kuhner, for now
The Good Life Show--don't know if they would
>>Listen to Big City 101.3 weekdays 8am hour-They have Various Topics
Ah, that's right, emulate a pirate.
John Batchelor--maybe, who knows, but for now they have a contract to run Levin
and then Doyle. Would they consider replacing the Doyle delayed show with Savage?
Weekends
I don't know if Jen Brien is under contract to WBZ; prob not as she may be on only
once a wk or so for them and I think she does weekends on the Cape, doesn't she?
I hadn't heard of Genesis Comm. before and not sure how many stations they're on with
all these shows. They have Alex Jones, whom I've heard of; one time Charlie Sheen got on there and wondered if the Twin Towers may have been brought down by the government.
http://www.gcnlive.com/
oh yeah, "Alison Slade" show is LIVE at that time, her show is another one, it is simular to Howie Carr show, and has various topics
oj, if not Jen Brien, put Avi Nelson on both weekend days
I never mentioned Alex Jones show.
I think that sometimes people forget that the Entercom cluster was designed as a cluster of inferior signals. When Infinity/CBS/Westinghouse/ARS became one big happy family, signals had to be spun off. The weakest signals were packaged up and sold to Entercom, and CBS kept the best signals.
97.7 and 107.3 will never be split up, regardless of what's airing on them. Neither signal is considered "good enough" to cover the full market.
97.7 and 107.3 will never be split up, regardless of what's airing on them. Neither signal is considered "good enough" to cover the full market.
Right, I just said that Genesis has him and I have heard of him, but not the company (till now).
I heard of Genesis ?? About two years ago? Maybe, a year and a half ago? Something like that.
I understand what you and others are saying about their Podcasting, but some people don't have computers at home, like myself, and some people, like myself don't have IPhones
Regardless, some of their shows, are ok.
Most Talk Stations I listen to, most talk about Politics, no matter what President it is, no one is ever happy. All I hear on most Radio Talk shows, most of them are President Bashing, always saying something bad about the President.
Not many people like to hear that all day.
That's why I'm trying to give ideas, that might have a slight difference than that everyday politics such as "America Tonight", "Hollywood 360", and "Angelique Allen Show" to name a few. That way, if they have different shows, they will get many different listenners, not only one group of listenners.
know what I'm getting at?
I don't mean to say bad things about WRKO, I hope they last a long time and become more sucessfull
I understand what you and others are saying about their Podcasting, but some people don't have computers at home, like myself, and some people, like myself don't have IPhones
Regardless, some of their shows, are ok.
Most Talk Stations I listen to, most talk about Politics, no matter what President it is, no one is ever happy. All I hear on most Radio Talk shows, most of them are President Bashing, always saying something bad about the President.
Not many people like to hear that all day.
That's why I'm trying to give ideas, that might have a slight difference than that everyday politics such as "America Tonight", "Hollywood 360", and "Angelique Allen Show" to name a few. That way, if they have different shows, they will get many different listenners, not only one group of listenners.
know what I'm getting at?
I don't mean to say bad things about WRKO, I hope they last a long time and become more sucessfull
raccoonradio said:
They were also the last syndicator of The John & Jeff Show. 8)
NERadio2007 said:
How many times does it need to be said? NO NO NO NO NO NO NO...
Putting an angry-old-white-man format on FM does NOT make it automatically suck in those under-40's. Young people do NOT listen to formats like this. It's already been proven on the few stations that have tried it.
NERadio2007 said:
This. You want to put WRKO's programming on FM? Kill the right-wing syndicated shows, fire the local hosts who don't know how to do anything else except Obama-bad-Republicans-good, and hire hosts who can entertain young people. Otherwise moving it to FM is a waste of time, energy and money.
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fmradio1
Guest
Clear Channel just ended the FM simulcast of their talk station KOGO/San Diego in favor of, ironically, a format similar to Hot 96.9. Merlin has a talker in Philly, WWIQ, but after spiking in the three share range around the elections, it's back down into the ones. In other markets, political talk stations are being pulled from FM in favor of sports or music programming. In Hartford, CC moved in 97.9 from the Springfield market and the speculation was they were going to pull their talkers off WTIC/AM and put them on FM. They went with ESPN instead. CBS Radio doesn't program political talk on FM in any of their markets. Sports and all news do better for them.
Talk, in it's present form is over. It's essentially going to die with the AM band. It hasn't worked on FM, and the few listeners it does have are resistant to a moderation of the extremist right-wing rhetoric. Rush will retire eventually, and that will kill off many of the ones that are still profitable. Some will hang on as long as possible, particularly in rural areas in deep red states, but eventually it will go away as the angry white male audience dies off and becomes elderly.
WEEI was a brand worth saving. That's why Entercom moved it to FM. The Sports Hub would have crushed them by now if they hadn't. But at this point, is WRKO worth saving? Once Rush and Howie are gone....and both are in their 60's, what's left? Not much. It's a good placeholder format until Entercom gets around to selling 680 off, if they're able to. It's just a matter of time. The Talk Station is on life support. Eventually they'll have to pull the plug...
Talk, in it's present form is over. It's essentially going to die with the AM band. It hasn't worked on FM, and the few listeners it does have are resistant to a moderation of the extremist right-wing rhetoric. Rush will retire eventually, and that will kill off many of the ones that are still profitable. Some will hang on as long as possible, particularly in rural areas in deep red states, but eventually it will go away as the angry white male audience dies off and becomes elderly.
WEEI was a brand worth saving. That's why Entercom moved it to FM. The Sports Hub would have crushed them by now if they hadn't. But at this point, is WRKO worth saving? Once Rush and Howie are gone....and both are in their 60's, what's left? Not much. It's a good placeholder format until Entercom gets around to selling 680 off, if they're able to. It's just a matter of time. The Talk Station is on life support. Eventually they'll have to pull the plug...
Atlanta--1010 WGUN had some prog talk shows like Rhodes, Schulz...gone now as it's part of a simulcast with an Urban station on FM. That just happened...
>>political talk stations are being pulled from FM in favor of sports or music programming.
>>WEEI was a brand worth saving. That's why Entercom moved it to FM. The Sports Hub would have crushed them by now if they hadn't...until Entercom gets around to selling 680 off, if they're able to. It's just a matter of time.
Then we'll have no full time stations...happening rather quick...and younger people who want talk
(would they want "hot talk") would be unlikely to go searching for it on the Ancient Modulation band.
>>political talk stations are being pulled from FM in favor of sports or music programming.
>>WEEI was a brand worth saving. That's why Entercom moved it to FM. The Sports Hub would have crushed them by now if they hadn't...until Entercom gets around to selling 680 off, if they're able to. It's just a matter of time.
Then we'll have no full time stations...happening rather quick...and younger people who want talk
(would they want "hot talk") would be unlikely to go searching for it on the Ancient Modulation band.
dumber than a box of hair said:
Everything you say is based on the assumption that all young people are liberal. I believe that to be a misguided assumption. Do we REALLY need FOUR CHR/Rythmic Stations playing the sam Rhianna crap all day? HELL NO
pariho2013 said:
No...it's based on the assumption that young people don't think like their parents. And while maybe a few do, most don't. And most don't think it's cool to listen to someone the age of their parents on the radio. In ANY format, by the way.
But that begs the question: How many 30-something conservative talk show hosts are there today?
THAT is the root problem: The current crop of talk show hosts lack relatability to the audience. What aspect of Howie Carr's schtick is relatable to a 30-something starting their family and working their way up in life? Any 36 year olds out there listening to Rush and thinking "wow, that guy really gets me!"
There aren't really any political talk hosts who can relate to an audience under 45 years old.
There aren't really any political talk hosts who can relate to an audience under 45 years old.
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stevensonair
Guest
And of those "30 something" conservative hosts, how many of them are doing anything meaningful or noteworthy ratings wise?
The ones I've heard are basically taking the same message - minus the background or depth that the older hosts may have brought to the table. Oh - and slightly hipper "bumper" music. I'm not denying there are young conservatives. I'm saying most people don't have an interest in listening to them on the radio.
Ideology aside, the younger talk audience is in sports and in some markets, NPR news/talk. Conservative or progressive, the typical AM fare just doesn't pull this audience. Period. It's just not a long term business proposal to target young people with political talk.
Sure you could experiment - you'd have to invest heavily in local talent and be very patient waiting for results. 2 things I doubt we'll see any of the major companies do in this climate. WTKS in Orlando managed to succeed with "hot talk" years ago - and they aren't the powerhouse they used to be either. And they had Stern to attract attention back in those days.
The ones I've heard are basically taking the same message - minus the background or depth that the older hosts may have brought to the table. Oh - and slightly hipper "bumper" music. I'm not denying there are young conservatives. I'm saying most people don't have an interest in listening to them on the radio.
Ideology aside, the younger talk audience is in sports and in some markets, NPR news/talk. Conservative or progressive, the typical AM fare just doesn't pull this audience. Period. It's just not a long term business proposal to target young people with political talk.
Sure you could experiment - you'd have to invest heavily in local talent and be very patient waiting for results. 2 things I doubt we'll see any of the major companies do in this climate. WTKS in Orlando managed to succeed with "hot talk" years ago - and they aren't the powerhouse they used to be either. And they had Stern to attract attention back in those days.
stevensonair said:
Well, maybe. The NPR core audience is about the same age as Rush. Too much talk, too much detail, not enough editing.
This is the hashtag generation folks. These are the ones who text OMG. They can't sit through 20 minutes on the Punjab. Their attention span is way to short.
pariho2013 said:
Believe what you want, but there's no basis for your assumption. Young people have better things to do than listen to polarized political rants all day long. And again, it's already been proven that this format does not attract young people, regardless of whether it's on AM or FM.
pariho2013 said:
Show us your track record in the radio business which says that four is too many for this market. That's right, this is a business, and if those four stations make money, they stay with that format, whether you like it or not. If you think it's crap, you can always change the station or turn it off or listen to something else.
She's on WBZ right now, talking to some UFO nut, as though there isn't enough of this nonsense on 680 overnight.LAUROJRM said:
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