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Whatever Happened to Local TV?

Mark said:
Two words...Uncle Floyd ;D

Great show! WPWR-TV Chicago, then on channel 60, aired it for a few months in late 1982 and early '83. IIRC, it was syndicated in Chicago and Cleveland, but it never took off anywhere outside the NYC area. Too Noo Joizey-centric, I guess, but the show was funny.

Is Floyd Vivino still around?
 
Technology drove the change.

Where you might see some truly local programming outside of news and sports will be where a strong independent station exists. This is how 'Bowling for Dollars' returned to the Detroit airwaves. The business model of that station, WADL, is instructive. A lot of paid religous programming in the morning to pay the bills, some sitcoms now in syndication and not a lot else.

What they do offer as throwbacks are a locally hosted movie on Saturday and Sunday, and some other locally produced shows.

Consolidation of ownership makes such experiments more or less a non-starter on most stations.
 
KeithE4 said:
Is Floyd Vivino still around?

In answer to the question:

In January 2013, Floyd Vivino began the internet radio program The Uncle Floyd Radio Show which can be streamed twice a week from the show's website http://www.unclefloydradio.com and through various SHOUTcast mobile apps and links, and downloaded as a podcast from iTunes.
 
landtuna said:
KTVU in Oakland had an afternoon show in the early 60's hosted by a guy named "Mr. Bob". I have never been able to find his real name but he was basically a stand-up comic sort of guy who told bad jokes with the result that someone would hit him in the face with a shaving creme pie in between Three Stooges shorts. It was the highlight of my return home from high school every weekday. ;D

Was it a smallish seeming guy with a high voice and a dead-pan face? That was before my time (in the Bay Area), but I'm thinking it might have been Bob Wilkins. He was one of those old time local station employees who did a bit of everything on KTVU over the years. IIRC, he would do occasional features for the news, and also hosted the Creature Features movie late Saturday night. on CF, he was always holding or smoking a big cigar. I imagine he skipped the stogie on an afternoon kid's show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aZGN0VM2s8
 
Lkeller said:
Was it a smallish seeming guy with a high voice and a dead-pan face? That was before my time (in the Bay Area), but I'm thinking it might have been Bob Wilkins.

No, it wasn't Wilkins. I've looked all over KTVU history and cannot find any reference to Mr. Bob but I found a ton of stuff on Wilkins.

I left Marin in '62 for the Navy and when I returned in '66 the Mr. Bob show was gone so I'm not sure how long it lasted. He was sure a character though.
 
When I was a kid growing up in Buffalo there were local shows like….”Meet the Millers”…..Bowling for Dollars with Chuck Healey……Rocketship Seven, hosted by the father of the actor who now plays FBI Agent Seely Booth on the Fox Show “Bones.”

Then when I moved to Rochester there was “Romper Room with Miss Rita” and “Skipper Sam.”

Like I posted earlier: Times have changed. :-\
 
Nickelodeon's "Turkey Television" in the early '80s aired sketches from Uncle Floyd. One of the radio stations where I worked at the time received "The Uncle Floyd Show Album." One cut featured Floyd as "Bruce Stringbean."

While spending part of my childhood in Texas, I recall watching the antics of Icky Twerp (amid cartoons and Three Stooges shorts) on KTVT's "Slam Bang Theater," as well as the gentler "Mr. Peppermint" on WFAA.
 
ShawnHill1 said:
As we know now, virtually every programming decision comes from corporate edicts, and a lot less from the local level.

I think there's another turning point in television that gets really ignored besides all the consolidation lately:

The period from 1994-97 when local affiliations became a mad dash. Markets from Philly to Yuma were caught up in the rush, and several things happened in that time:

  • In many affected markets, affiliations were dictated not by tradition but by ownership as station groups signed very large deals. No luck for ABC's longest-tenured affiliate (WJZ), the Phoenix market news leader (KTVK), or two entire television markets (Tuscaloosa and Anniston, AL). Television stations weren't as defined by their area so much as their ownership.
  • The beginning of true network-based branding. "Channel 10" became "NBC 10" in Philadelphia, and likewise in many other places—a necessity to convey to confused viewers where their shows were, but a loss of local identity.
  • The establishment of comparatively barebones Big 3 affiliates in markets like Detroit, Milwaukee, Cleveland, South Bend where networks (CBS and ABC in the last case) lost out.

These led to more profit-based and station group-based management styles that stay to this day.
 
Raymie said:
The period from 1994-97 when local affiliations became a mad dash.

The foundation for that was set in 1986 when the Fox Television Network was formed. News Corp bought 20th Century Fox and Metromedia, and all of a sudden a bunch of major market independent TV stations were now the flagships of a new network.

Then in 1993, Fox got the NFL, and the race was on.
 
TheBigA said:
The foundation for that was set in 1986 when the Fox Television Network was formed. News Corp bought 20th Century Fox and Metromedia, and all of a sudden a bunch of major market independent TV stations were now the flagships of a new network.

Flagships? Wrong! That "bunch" of stations became network O&Os (owned and operated) stations. A station becomes a "flagship" only if it originates network programming.
 
FredLeonard said:
That "bunch" of stations became network O&Os (owned and operated) stations. A station becomes a "flagship" only if it originates network programming.

Some of them did. My point is that these once were indie stations that originated local non-news programming (kids shows, etc), and a lot of it was replaced by network stuff.
 
TheBigA said:
FredLeonard said:
That "bunch" of stations became network O&Os (owned and operated) stations. A station becomes a "flagship" only if it originates network programming.

Some of them did. My point is that these once were indie stations that originated local non-news programming (kids shows, etc), and a lot of it was replaced by network stuff.
The meaning of being a network affiliate changed when Fox launched. The other three networks programmed mornings, daytime, national news, late night, and weekend sports, yet their affiliates maintained their separate identities and network affiliation was only incidental. Fox only programmed prime time, two hours a night at that, to avoid running afoul of FCC restrictions on "networks", but they were the ones who insisted on their affiliates giving branding primacy to their network.
 
A station almost has to be locally owned (fat chance) to do much
local programming, but I happen to live in a market (Raleigh/Durham)
which has just that: CBS affiliate WRAL, owned by Capitol Broadcasting.
It has at least three locally-produced programs (aside from local news):
"Brain Game," a local high-school quiz bowl in the vein of "It's Academic";
"On The Record," which resembles "The McLaughlin Group,"; and "Spiritual
Awakening," a program of African-American gospel music that must be as
old as the station (1956). All these air on weekends, but no matter.

WRAL had a strong history of kids' programming from the '50s to the '80s,
the most successful being "Time For Uncle Paul," hosted by the late Paul
Montgomery and which replaced the Bozo franchise in the early '60s. The
program ended because of FCC pressure to make it more educational, which
Montgomery did not want to do. And for a time in the '90s it produced a
sci-fi-type thing on Saturday mornings called "The Androgena Show," using
local children's-theater actors.

WFAA Dallas/Ft. Worth used to be a hotbed of local programming; when I
lived there in the late '70s, besides "Peppermint Place," it had "Inside Television"
with Belo president Mike Shapiro answering viewers' questions; "Que Pasa?" for
the Hispanic audience; the local franchises for "PM Magazine" and "Bowling
For Dollars"; and "People" with Michael Brown (husband of novelist Sandra Brown,
who also worked at Channel 8 at the time). I'm sure I'm leaving something out,
but I don't see the likes of any of this on Channel 8 anymore.

And I suspect it was sad for Cincinnati viewers to see their cornucopia of talk
shows go empty: gone are Ruth Lyons, Bob Braun, Paul Dixon, Nick Clooney,
Bill Nimmo, Vivienne della Chiesa, and John Wade. But again, it was a matter of
money, especially at WLWT, which decided it was better to invest more heavily
in local news than in talk shows. (And Jerry Springer on WLWT did the almost-
unthinkable, knocking Nick Clooney on WKRC out of the number-one spot.)

There are probably stories like these from every market, which brings me back
to my original subject: WRAL, which becomes more and more unique as local
programming continues to dry up on other stations, both in the Triangle and
elsewhere.
 
bpatrick said:
WFAA Dallas/Ft. Worth used to be a hotbed of local programming; when I
lived there in the late '70s, besides "Peppermint Place," it had "Inside Television"
with Belo president Mike Shapiro answering viewers' questions; "Que Pasa?" for
the Hispanic audience; the local franchises for "PM Magazine" and "Bowling
For Dollars"; and "People" with Michael Brown (husband of novelist Sandra Brown,
who also worked at Channel 8 at the time). I'm sure I'm leaving something out,
but I don't see the likes of any of this on Channel 8 anymore.

The recent news of Gannett buying out the TV (or non-newspaper) company/assets of Belo (the split off A.H. Belo still runs/owns the Dallas Morning News and other local papers) started a mini-nostalgia floodgate of old pix in the Dallas paper this week, including a much younger Mike Shapiro (whom I have met once after he retired) and Mr. Peppermint (done by the late Jerry Haynes). Let Me Speak to the Manager (which was later Inside Television) was, to me, a really relevant and ground-breaking show. None of the other stations were interested in devoting a half-hour a week to throwing open the door to an "office" and letting management take comments and questions from their viewers about operations/programming/why-did-you/why-don't-you/etc. Shapiro's show (which used a co-host whose name I can't recall right now) came off professional without going stodgy, stiff, and upper-management (and certainly not the perky/PYT mood that most entertainment-style shows are in these days).

As for the others, KDFW/4 had (I don't know if it's still on or not) a longtime local public-affairs show called Insights about issues and notables in the local African-American community. 4 Country Reporter (which would move to WFAA/8 later as 8 Country Reporter followed by syndication to other local stations as Texas Country Reporter) was a half-hour weekly show about folks locally and around the state in feature/local-character style that might get a blip or brief mention on a local newscast otherwise. When the show was on KDFW/4, it had a simpler style, while in it's latter years on WFAA/8's schedule and as a syndie, it got a little too slick and even tried in recent years to jump sharks by doing features in other states outside Texas. This took away from it's local relevance IMO and original spirit of the show. KXAS/5 has done a local public-affairs show called 5 Talk Street for many years; I haven't watched it in a while so I don't know what it's status is nor what tone the show takes if it is still on. They did have a weekend children's show called The Children's Hour that IIRR was a memory by the late 1980s; it was a combo-meal of puppets, Davey and Goliath shorts, and other kid-oriented features. KTVT/11 had the longtime morning show Slam Bang Theater (which in it's last years was a repository for Three Stooges shorts IIRR) as well as weekend shows later on that had country music acts (one of which was taped or live (can't remember which) with bands on stage at Fort Worth's Panther Hall, another show they did on weekends was Cowboy Weaver). A WCCW wrestling match show was huge for them especially in the 1980s. One thing that set KTVT/11 apart in the 1980s and early 1990s was that it was made available as a satellite "superstation" so more potential viewers got to see what the station was airing at the time. Most local shows that KTVT/11 had done before the mid-1990s were gone by the time the station flipped to CBS in 1995.

Most local content done now in DFW is really features within newscasts. In recent years WFAA/8 has done a public-affairs show called Metro relevant to the African-American community; you really have to hunt around the schedule to find it (if it's still on). KERA/13 does a monthly interview show called CEO which highlights a different local company executive (the DFW area has many locally-based companies for the show to choose from) each episode. Also Good Morning Texas is a morning staple on WFAA/8 after GMA but much of it's programming now is infomercial-ish (cooks from self-promoting local restaurants, locally-made or -sold products, etc.). The only other localized stuff is 30-minute car dealer infomercials and local church services/preachers.
 
easttxtv said:
The recent news of Gannett buying out the TV (or non-newspaper) company/assets of Belo (the split off A.H. Belo still runs/owns the Dallas Morning News and other local papers)

Makes me wonder how long A.H. Belo will stick around running newspapers.
 
TheBigA said:
easttxtv said:
The recent news of Gannett buying out the TV (or non-newspaper) company/assets of Belo (the split off A.H. Belo still runs/owns the Dallas Morning News and other local papers)

Makes me wonder how long A.H. Belo will stick around running newspapers.

How long will there be newspapers to run?
 
A Possible Solution (Was: Re: Whatever Happened to Local TV?)

One possibility might be Regional Syndication.

Here, a TV station in a major market produces a show which is not only seen there, but seen in neighboring markets as well.

In many cases, the show can still be "local" although it may air in up to a half-dozen cities.

As an example, WBZ-4 in Boston could produce a regional talk/variety show that could also be broadcast in Providence, Hartford, Springfield, Manchester, Portland, Burlington, and Bangor. As a CBS O&O, WBZ might get the CBS affiliates in those cities (except Manchester, where CBS has no affiliate) to pick-up the aforementioned show.

Or WRC-4 in Washington could produce a regional program that could be picked-up by stations in Baltimore, Salisbury, Hagerstown and Richmond.

Or KABC-7 Los Angeles could produce a show that could be distributed regionally to San Diego, Palm Springs, and Santa Barbara.

The originating station could charge more for commercial spots, given that the show is seen in several nearby markets, and that should cover the costs of producing the show.
 
Re: A Possible Solution (Was: Re: Whatever Happened to Local TV?)

Joseph_Gallant said:
The originating station could charge more for commercial spots, given that the show is seen in several nearby markets, and that should cover the costs of producing the show.

That assumes the advertiser wants his commercial to be seen in other markets. And if he did, why not simply buy sports directly, rather than pay a middleman? There is local sales and national sales. So far, no one that I know has looked into regional sales.

Your suggestion tends to work better in non-commercial broadcasting.
 
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