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what's going on in Albany radio?

Anybody know what's going on at Cumulus in Albany? I'm trying to figure out the flipping of calls and formats around among WQVE, WNUQ, and WZBN. They all have the same power (6k), but now 101.7 is V101.7 (urban, formerly Q101 CHR) and that format is now on the new Q102 (new WNUQ, former WZBN) while 105.5 (formerly WQVE, new WZBN) is simulcasting 101.7.

Confusing? Imagine the regular listeners.

Oh, and what's the FCC going to do about WFFM in Ashburn? It's been silent for a while. On Top Communications going to do anything with it and WRXZ? Anyone looking to buy them out?
 
I believe it all had to do with signal locations. The 101.7 is a better Albany signal by far over 102.1 so they wanted the urban signal to have the best coverage and that is 101.7fm. 105.5 starts in south Albany and carries the V signal even further south. The 102.1 signal comes from Sylvester and only puts a 60dbu signal over half of Albany. Obviously urban radio does better than CHR in the market so they gave V the best two co-existing signals they had.


101.7 Albany is only 3kw at 91m HAAT with an application to go 6kw
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FM296755.html
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FM1151179.html

102.1 Sylvester is 6kw at 79m HAAT
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FM552471.html

105.5 Camilla is 6kw at 84m HAAT
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FM172907.html
 
Talk about serving Sylvester -- on the map, 102.1 looks to be right in the middle of town! Not too many of these rimshot stations actually have the tower in the middle of the smaller communities they purport to serve...
 
ssnake said:
Talk about serving Sylvester -- on the map, 102.1 looks to be right in the middle of town! Not too many of these rimshot stations actually have the tower in the middle of the smaller communities they purport to serve...

102.1 in Sylvester is right in the middle of Sylvester because it's as close to 101.7 in Albany as it can get. If 101.7 were to move further west, then 102.1 might could move closer in to Albany.

Is there even a local radio news department in Albany nowadays?

WALG used to always have two full time local news reporters and 960, then WJAZ, would always have one and sometimes two full time reporters.

Milt George long time manager and later owner of WGPC AM/FM was probably the nicest guy in radio and his format fit his personality...laid back. Mr. George used to say he knew his stations were number 2 in Albany. You know how I know, he would ask? Because, everyone else is number 1.

I was always amazed at how well WALG could do in the ratings and I promise you it sounded like they ran 61 minutes of ads every hour...and they were pretty hard Top 40 in those days.

92 WAZE in Dawson came to town and that spelled the end for music on WALG. Then came 97 Rock. They waited way too long to go news talk and take advantage of the heritage they had built in local news coverage all the way back to the days when Gray Communications was them as WALB and the Albany Herald. Originally it was to be WHPB on 1260 as a daytimer but the Albany Herald and the local congressman pulled strings and got the FCC to give Albany a second full time AM station, this one a whopping 1KW at night. Having 1KW day or night in a small town like Albany was a big big thing.

Rhett Turnipseeds thesis on Georgia radio mentioned that one April fools day, the morning man on WGPC and WALB swapped stations to play a trick on their listeners. There wasn't a third station in Albany til WJAZ came on the air at 1050 in the 1950s.

I think I read that in 1950, Albany only had 20,000 people in the city. It was one of the fasting growing cities in America during the 1960s and 1970s. While not much has been printed about it, one reason Albany may have grown as Atlanta did during those times was the way its leadership responded to civil rights protests. While Birmingham was sending in the dogs and fire hoses, Atlanta didn't and the law enforcement folks in Albany, far from being saints, did not respond violently. In fact, MLK, Jr got so little response and so few were arrested, the media ignored Albany to a large extent and needing all the press it could get, the civil rights movement moved on to other places.

It also didn't hurt that James H. Gray, owner of the Herald, WALB Radio and Television, the cable TV business... and the Kennedys were very good friends. You can read more about this in the new book, Race Beat which is about the reporters who covered the South during the Civil Rights era.
 
Facinating stories, as usual, Art!
My grandmother lived in Morgan, about 30 miles west of All-benny, in Calhoun county. I listened to "Johnny Reb" radio on WALG back in the 60's.(Johnny Reb radio was a format back in those days....I think.) I seem to remember that WDAK, 540 Khz, in Columbus, was Johnny Reb too.
I remember, back in those days, that small town stations sounded really different than big city stations. Back then, there was no mistake about where you were and what you were listening to!
I had a friend who had relatives in Bryson City, N.C. I went to vist every now and then. There was(still is) a little 500 watt AM station on the side of a mountain up there....it's on 1590, and has the smallest tower I have ever seen for a radio station! They used to have a hare-lipped announcer....I understand that everyone in town used to listen to this guy for news, weather, and the obits. He also read the menu for lunch at the local puke and choke....critical information like that .....stuff you needed to know in a small town. It was very "different!"
Small market radio today sounds just about like NYC radio.....well except for the yankee accents and awful audio processing. Same music(remember how WBAM, "The Big Bam," was weeks behind on Top 40 airplay)same image material, same ID's, same names, same jocks.......I can't tell Valdosta from LA!
At least there are a few small town operators still trying to be real broadcasters and provide services to their communities. Can't say that about many "big city" stations!
 
I was in Albany today, and I have no idea what Cumulus is thinking in moving the CHR format to 102.1. The signal is worse than I thought from seeing the map. As far as I can tell, the growth in the community is to the north and west, and in the Albany Mall/Dawson Road area of west Albany, 102.1 isn't seekable on my car radio.

Seems to me that if 101.7 were the limiting factor, Cumulus should try to move it slightly west in order to get a big gain for 102.1.
 
WOW! We never, EVER thought of that. Thanks for the advice. I get the crane in to move that tower when I am there next week.
 
rcombs said:
WOW! We never, EVER thought of that. Thanks for the advice. I get the crane in to move that tower when I am there next week.

Thanks for the sarcastic response; do you have an intelligent one? It's generally not a big deal to shift class A stations, and the recent FCC rulemaking makes it easier to change COL.
 
It is against company policy to discuss company business on the internet, but I will give you my opinion.

102.1 is not an Albany radio station. It was never meant to be an Albany radio station. IMO, it should have never been bought by a big corporation with plans to make it an Albany radio station. It should be owned and run by some Sylvester businessman or group and airing local updates, farm reports, swap shops, anything that will benefit the community of Sylvester. THis is what was intended by the FCC when it licensed the frequency to Sylvester. The tower can only be moved about 5-8 miles in any direction and still make a citigrade signal over Sylvester.

101.7 is an Albany station. It covers from Americus to Thomasville, on good days. It would not benefit anyone to move the stick for this station anywhere else. It's centralized tower location gives it a perfect signal for any format. Since you have engineering experience, I am sure you understand the cost involved to move not just one, but two radio station towers. And it would take years to make that cost up with the little bit of money being divided between all of the media in Albany, GA.

Also, let's remember that Albany is an Urban market. It was an Urban market when I grew up there and it will probably always be one. WJIZ was getting 32+ shares when I was working at 97.3 in the 80s. The only other money making format in that town (IMO) is country. Top 40 died when 97 rock (or the Hot FM as we were also called) started playing 62 minutes of commercials an hour thanks the Shor/Hardy combination.


BTW, if you are going to challenge me, man up and use your real name please.
 
rcombs said:
It is against company policy to discuss company business on the internet, but I will give you my opinion.

I appreciate your opinion, and I agree that a station licensed to Sylvester ought to serve that community and perhaps offer a niche format. But my point was that a simple shifting of the signals by a few miles might be able to accomplish a lot (subjectively) coverage-wise with the 102.1 so as to integrate it better into the market. I understand moving stations can be expensive, but these are short towers, and maybe it would add enough value to the move-in. (E.g., the relocation of 100.7 from Cuthbert to Buena Vista). I also understand that it would be impracticable for the current formatics because Cumulus is not committed to the Q format because they moved it to the weak signal in the first place.

It's a shame that Top 40 isn't working there and that another signal is lost to a simulcast. Last I heard, 107.3 in Columbus was doing fairly well on a C0 signal with a CHR format in a similar market.

rcombs said:
BTW, if you are going to challenge me, man up and use your real name please.

Tom Hildebrandt, WREK & WUOG Engineering, UGa. law student (who spends too much time on the FCC web site).
 
I'm not an engineer or radio personality by any stretch of the imagination, but what is the feasibility of increasing the power (up to 20-25k watts) of one of those stations? If WJIZ is pulling down huge shares, would a more powerful 101.7 give WJIZ more competition throughout the area? More power to 101.7 would probably mean moving 102.1 to another spot on the dial, but I'm not sure of any frequencies that might be available in the Albany market.

Brian Holt
Effingham County High School teacher (www.effhigh.com)
Sylvester native
 
By the way, as I was driving home for Christmas, I noticed that WFFM was back on the air, simulcasting WRXZ (Hot 106 Jamz). Not sure when they came back on.
 
bholt said:
I'm not an engineer or radio personality by any stretch of the imagination, but what is the feasibility of increasing the power (up to 20-25k watts) of one of those stations? If WJIZ is pulling down huge shares, would a more powerful 101.7 give WJIZ more competition throughout the area? More power to 101.7 would probably mean moving 102.1 to another spot on the dial, but I'm not sure of any frequencies that might be available in the Albany market.

101.7 recently upgraded to 6kW, but it's still not maximized as a class A. It is at 91m, but it could raise height to 100m + 2m and push out the contour slightly.

Albany's 101.7 is only 122km from Warner Robins's 101.7. To upgrade to 25kW, these need to be 142km apart. But WQVE could use a directional antenna to protect Warner Robins because the stations are more than 119km apart.

101.7 is 31.5km from 102.1 -- these two have to be at least 31km apart. To upgrade 101.7 to 25kW, these two would have to be 42km apart. Even if 101.7 upgraded to a lower power than 25kW to protect 102.1, they would have to be 35km apart.

101.9 in Bainbridge would also be a limiting factor; currently, 101.7 is 88km from 101.9. To upgrade to a full C3 (25kW), it would need to be 89km. Again, it could protect it with a lower power as long as they are 72 km apart.

So, if everything else stayed the same, 101.7 could move west slightly and upgrade to a C3 with nulls to the east and northeast. They probably couldn't recoup the costs of doing this though since there wouldn't be that much population added to the coverage area.
 
Thanks for the breakdown of all the technical stuff!

I'm interested to see what effect this will have on the spring book for 101.7, 105.5, and 102.1. I hope this gamble will pay off for Cumulus.
 
Tom is right, it would take a lot of movement and changes to increase the power of 101.7 in the current location. Moving it to a C3 is not going to enhance the coverage very much at all. It would probably end up a C3 equivalent at about 14 or 15kw like I used to have here in Savannah. It would not really be that beneficial.
 
rcombs said:
Tom is right, it would take a lot of movement and changes to increase the power of 101.7 in the current location. Moving it to a C3 is not going to enhance the coverage very much at all. It would probably end up a C3 equivalent at about 14 or 15kw like I used to have here in Savannah. It would not really be that beneficial.

I have the FM search software and just ran it for 101.7 Albany. A C3 for 101.7 in Albany is out of the question without moving 4 or 5 stations to other channels, if they could be moved. FM directional antennaes can only be used if there is a clear area for the station to operate at full power without a directional and still city grade the city of license.

I remember when 101.7 went on the air WWCW....which I think stood for the owner's initials, Whitfield C. Woodall. WWCW and it's sister AM, WALG, were owned by the Woodall family which owned WDAK in Columbus. The Woodalls bought WALG when it was WALB and was spun off by James Gray who had newspaper, radio, cable TV, and TV in Albany. One son got Columbus and the other got Albany. It played soft AC/easy listening. Later it went automated country to take on WJAZ. Then went live country and that's when the AM, WALG, started getting the shaft just as WAZE from Dawson moved their tower to Sasser and took the market.

Sylvester got its first radio station in December 1963. WOGA at 1540 1KW sunrise to sunset. 1540 became vacant when WCLB in Camilla GA left 1540 and moved to 1220. WCLB later moved to 1400 which had been vacated by WMGA in Moultrie in 1969 when WMGA moved to 1130 and boosted power to 10KW. WCLB has been dark for years and years. Now WMGA is dark and WOGA is too. In fact, WMES in Ashburn is dark. WWGS in Tifton is dark. Not a good area for local AM Radio.

WOGA was never a financial success and was put on the air by Dr. J.M. Sutton ( a very distant and rich relative) and James Rouse. Rouse owned Sylvester's department store, everything store, The Empire. Dr. Sutton, a vet, also was a major stock holder in the Bank of Worth County. WOGA studios and offices were in the old Bank of Worth County building at the corner of Isabella and Front Street in downtown Sylvester.

A local attorney told me he had thought about putting a radio station on the air in Sylvester back in the 1950s. He was serving in the state legislature at the time and knew legendary James Rivers of Cordele who owned WMJM, WFAV-FM in Cordele, WJAZ, WJIZ in Albany, WDOL AM/FM in Athens (FM is now 104.7 the Fish) and WTJH in East Point, GA. I'm told Rivers rode around time and told attorney David Jones there weren't enough businesses in Sylvester to support a local station. He was right. Also, as soon as everyone in Worth County got a car, they were driving over to Albany to buy stuff so retail in Sylvester was always weak.

Sylvester has two radio stations licensed to it now, 2 FM stations. The AM went dark in the early 1980s. If Sylvester couldn't support a station in the 50s-80s...it can't now. I always thought a combination of the local newspaper The Sylvester Local News and a radio station might make it by combining resources. The Sylvester newspaper and the radio station never cared much for each other although the publisher Marion Sumner probably inspired me as much as anyone that the role of a newspaper person or a broadcaster is to also serve the community they are located in and to make them better. True story. The resentment grew when the radio station went on the air in 1963. The Local did all of the printing in town. The radio station ordered some really expensive paper for their stationary and then decided not to use it. In 1978 when the radio station changed hands, mind you 15 years since this happened, I went in as a 16 year old to order new stationary for the new owner. I convinced him to change the calls to WRSG for Radio Sylvester Georgia. The newspaper manager pointed out to me the radio station stuck them with all that paper back when they went on and he hadn't forgot it. He then pointed to the boxes of paper on a shelf. I'm serious and I would bet my life he was too.

I'll never forget my first words over WOGA. Rick Segers was doing a high school baseball game at Pope Field and I tagged along. The station sent it to Rick too early. He was down getting the line up and I was sitting by the equipment and open mic and you could hear me holler "Rick, Rick, we're on the air!" The guy back at the station, probably Scott Williams, brother of WALB-TV News Director Rick Williams, said something to the effect of "well Rick obviously isn't ready." I remember when Scott was let go. He played a current hit song called "Take this Job and Shove it". I think Scott was the baby of the large Williams' family. Now he's a top ranking Air Force pilot.

We radio folks are strange but we don't hold a candle to newspaper paper. I think all that ink contaminated them. Obviously the ink works faster than radio waves.
 
Great story, Art! I love media history stuff--especially about the areas I grew up in.

I agree with you: the Sylvester newspaper should take over 102.1 or 106.1 and really put more focus on Sylvester-Worth County. I think media convergence in Worth County could be a good thing.
 
Art Sutton said:
I remember when 101.7 went on the air WWCW....which I think stood for the owner's initials, Whitfield C. Woodall. WWCW and it's sister AM, WALG, were owned by the Woodall family which owned WDAK in Columbus. The Woodalls bought WALG when it was WALB and was spun off by James Gray who had newspaper, radio, cable TV, and TV in Albany. One son got Columbus and the other got Albany. It played soft AC/easy listening. Later it went automated country to take on WJAZ. Then went live country and that's when the AM, WALG, started getting the shaft just as WAZE from Dawson moved their tower to Sasser and took the market.

WWCW...haven't heard those calls in awhile. My Uncle was the Engineer that built that station.
I remember going there when I was just a kid. Seems I remember a McMartin console and an automation system.
 
Art Sutton said:
We radio folks are strange but we don't hold a candle to newspaper paper. I think all that ink contaminated them. Obviously the ink works faster than radio waves.
Oh, I dunno... I think the RF works its wonders pretty quickly as well. Some of us even get it worse as hams.
 
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