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AndTheLambGoesBAA
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radioho said:
Using your COL concept, should the Indy stations, equally, be limited in power to not reach Brownsburg, Greenwood, Noblesville, etc?
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Using your COL concept, should the Indy stations, equally, be limited in power to not reach Brownsburg, Greenwood, Noblesville, etc?
Ben Franklin said, "Never argue with a fool. Those watching won't know who is the fool."
radioho said:Owners should not only have to pay for the license, but should be REQUIRED to ALSO pay the COL an annual fee or privilege TAX for using that town's PUBLIC AIRWAVES. The fee/tax should be even larger if the station abandons the COL to moves it's studios out of the county. Why should an individual profit from something is suppose to belong to the PUBLIC with no return to the city?
Good grief, it's "Marx & Engels in the Morning."
AndTheLambGoesBAA said:radioho said:All the signals licensed for brownsburg, noblesville, greenwood, shelbyville etc should not have the power to even reach Indy - otherwise, why even use the COL concept?
Using your COL concept, should the Indy stations, equally, be limited in power to not reach Brownsburg, Greenwood, Noblesville, etc?
No. Indianapolis is much larger than Brownsburg, Greenwood, Nobesville, etc. It takes more power to cover Indianapolis, and I have no problem with Indianapolis stations having 'metro' power to cover suburbs. Obviously that would make the value of an Indianapolis station worth more. But Brownsburg should be limited to lower power and only cover Brownsburg and a few miles outside city limits. At the very least, the studio should be REQUIRED to be in the COL. Obviously it's a joke - but why even still refer to a COL when it means nothing. Why not just drop it out of the FCC vocabulary?
A studio in the COL isn't always practical, though I'm sure space would probably be available in Brownsburg. I doubt very much WASK-FM could find suitable studio and office space in Battle Ground, and how does it "serve the public interest" to pay rent for two or more office spaces? Who gets laid off to pay the extra rent. As far as that goes, who goes to radio stations for any reason but to pick up prizes?
To address the issue of Greensburg and Shelbyville having 50000 watt allocations, when the original table of allocations was set up, no one knew that FM would be the dominant radio band. One can only speculate that the purpose might have been to provide "good music" or classical music to the area between Indianapolis and Louisville or Indianapolis and the Ohio border.
Another thing I don't understand particularly on this board. How many times and on how many boards do we hear "Clear Channel needs to go away and we need local mom an dpop owners". OK, wouldn't Russ Oasis and even the dreaded Art qualify as "local owners"? Yet you all bash them as much as CC.
I'm all for doing away with COL "first local service to West Podunk". Maybe, like the EAS you could just license them to the "Central Indiana Operational Area".
To address the issue of Greensburg and Shelbyville having 50000 watt allocations, when the original table of allocations was set up, no one knew that FM would be the dominant radio band. One can only speculate that the purpose might have been to provide "good music" or classical music to the area between Indianapolis and Louisville or Indianapolis and the Ohio border.
Another thing I don't understand particularly on this board. How many times and on how many boards do we hear "Clear Channel needs to go away and we need local mom an dpop owners". OK, wouldn't Russ Oasis and even the dreaded Art qualify as "local owners"? Yet you all bash them as much as CC.
I'm all for doing away with COL "first local service to West Podunk". Maybe, like the EAS you could just license them to the "Central Indiana Operational Area".
There never was an FCC rule that said WASK had to be in Battleground. There have been
mom and pop stations operating from tower sites in the country since day one.
The old rule said your studio must be within the city grade contour. For WASK, that meant the studio
must be within 10 miles of the tower. The WASK studio is within 10 miles of the tower. So
even under the antique rules they were in compliance. In the 1990s the rule was changed to 25 miles.
There once was a rule that said a public file had to be in the City of License. This only meant
you needed a folder at the public library.
Really, FCC rules haven't changed that much. It is broadcasters who have changed that much!!!!
mom and pop stations operating from tower sites in the country since day one.
The old rule said your studio must be within the city grade contour. For WASK, that meant the studio
must be within 10 miles of the tower. The WASK studio is within 10 miles of the tower. So
even under the antique rules they were in compliance. In the 1990s the rule was changed to 25 miles.
There once was a rule that said a public file had to be in the City of License. This only meant
you needed a folder at the public library.
Really, FCC rules haven't changed that much. It is broadcasters who have changed that much!!!!
It isn't me who is arguing that all stations should be required to broadcast from the COL. I assumed when the other poster was demanding that, that he did mean within the actual corporation limits. I don't know specifically where 101.9's studios are. Perhaps the poster could clarify.
The American Free Enterprise System actually works. Remember when a Lafayette broadcaster
purchased the Attica station and took it to Lafayette? The staff of the Attica station was fired and community events were cancelled.
But, two jocks from Attica axed in the process still believed in their hometown. They thought Attica should have it’s own radio station. Their names are John Dill and Larry Grant. They applied to the
FCC and got a license for a new FM station. For several years now, they have been operating WFWR.
There are people who love small towns and would be proud to own a station there. Let them do so.
Shelbyville lost 97.1, Someone else is now there on 96.5 MHz. Several people have applied to
build a new station for Noblesville. In the next filing window, I promise someone will apply to
build a new station at Brownsburg. So, let Oasis fight it out in Indy.
purchased the Attica station and took it to Lafayette? The staff of the Attica station was fired and community events were cancelled.
But, two jocks from Attica axed in the process still believed in their hometown. They thought Attica should have it’s own radio station. Their names are John Dill and Larry Grant. They applied to the
FCC and got a license for a new FM station. For several years now, they have been operating WFWR.
There are people who love small towns and would be proud to own a station there. Let them do so.
Shelbyville lost 97.1, Someone else is now there on 96.5 MHz. Several people have applied to
build a new station for Noblesville. In the next filing window, I promise someone will apply to
build a new station at Brownsburg. So, let Oasis fight it out in Indy.
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cspotrun
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it's hard enough to make it work if you're a station owner, why would you want to cut owners out of hundreds of thousands of potential dollars in an adjacent market? they may or not get it, but why stop their efforts to EARN it?
interesting topic for shure.
I do feel that a station should have there studio/offices and transmitter in there COL.
also i do believe there EAS should also give alerts for each county they have a signal in. example, Q95 which covers multiple counties with there signal should sent "alerts" to those who may be in those counties who are listing. (only alerts i have heard them give was for Marion county. but I do not recall any alerts for any other county in there coverage are)
I do feel that a station should have there studio/offices and transmitter in there COL.
also i do believe there EAS should also give alerts for each county they have a signal in. example, Q95 which covers multiple counties with there signal should sent "alerts" to those who may be in those counties who are listing. (only alerts i have heard them give was for Marion county. but I do not recall any alerts for any other county in there coverage are)
I always built and operated my radio stations from my community of license. But, most of my listeners and advertisers
were in larger nearby communities. I thought it was a nice touch to put my town on the map.
Yes, I could have made more money doing it a different way. But, I did it my way and it was fun.
were in larger nearby communities. I thought it was a nice touch to put my town on the map.
Yes, I could have made more money doing it a different way. But, I did it my way and it was fun.
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Robb_Reel
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Flying-Dutchman said:Yes, I could have made more money doing it a different way. But, I did it my way and it was fun.
Having worked for the Dutchman and his family, I can tell you this is the difference-maker in ownership.
The family was only ever worried about making "enough" money -- to pay the bills, pay the staff and have a little left over -- and the rest of their efforts went into making enjoyable radio.
The alternative of making "maximum" money has a different set of benefits and drawbacks... and a different set of priorities.
Perspective has a lot to do with how you experience those two situations; what may be frustrating in one's 20s may be more enticing in one's 40s, or vice versa.
gr8oldies said:Another thing I don't understand particularly on this board. How many times and on how many boards do we hear "Clear Channel needs to go away and we need local mom an dpop owners". OK, wouldn't Russ Oasis and even the dreaded Art qualify as "local owners"? Yet you all bash them as much as CC.
An individual owner that uses the same cookie-cutter template that corporate uses, makes the same decisions that a corporate would make based on profit as the first and foremost purpose is not an 'individual' owner in the spirit of the 'independent ownership.' Wklu is owned by an individual, who operates like a corporation. What's 'original' about it or unique? In contrast to the Dutchman (as posted above).
gr8oldies said:opereate his station as a hobby and not care about making the bills?
Everyone would be in it just for fun if that was possible. But, darn it, you have to know how
to manage a buck to survive.
I have to ask as I often do : If you gripe about it give us a solution. What do we program to make radio HOT again? How do we make it relevant?
Even newspapers are trying to do this and they are anything but hip or new or technical or easily accessible, etc.etc. They still exist though. How cool and convenient is it to get a newspaper? It isn't. Let's carry around stone tablets and hammers and chisels.
Hot Hits? The Arrow? Jack FM? All came all went. Things change.
One idea for talk might be a clean version of Bob and Tom 24 hours a day. Garrison Keillor 24 hours a day? I find myself watching the Bob and Tom TV show and seeing it is much tamer than it was. Where do we find talent? How much will that cost?
I'll be honest. I am sick of radio the way it is now. I run 2 networks and it disgusts me that all of the programming comes from somewhere else. I am really looking for something clean, relevant, involved and supporting the community.
Music? Same old same old. Remember the 1980's. Some decades have crappy music. Even positive and uplifting stations with a positive message are bland to the bone at times. Remember when radio was exciting? Said something, meant something, connected with generations? Too much, overload.
What do you have? Let us hear the ideas to change the industry.
Even newspapers are trying to do this and they are anything but hip or new or technical or easily accessible, etc.etc. They still exist though. How cool and convenient is it to get a newspaper? It isn't. Let's carry around stone tablets and hammers and chisels.
Hot Hits? The Arrow? Jack FM? All came all went. Things change.
One idea for talk might be a clean version of Bob and Tom 24 hours a day. Garrison Keillor 24 hours a day? I find myself watching the Bob and Tom TV show and seeing it is much tamer than it was. Where do we find talent? How much will that cost?
I'll be honest. I am sick of radio the way it is now. I run 2 networks and it disgusts me that all of the programming comes from somewhere else. I am really looking for something clean, relevant, involved and supporting the community.
Music? Same old same old. Remember the 1980's. Some decades have crappy music. Even positive and uplifting stations with a positive message are bland to the bone at times. Remember when radio was exciting? Said something, meant something, connected with generations? Too much, overload.
What do you have? Let us hear the ideas to change the industry.
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