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WHEC Channel 10 to Dump its 7pm Newscast?

A co-worker heard that Channel 10, in an effort to cutback because of the economy, is giving serious thought to scraping it's 7pm weeknight newscast.
I haven't heard this but maybe someone else has? I do know that 10 has been losing audience to Channel 8 at 11pm, which doesn't make the folks on East Avenue very happy.
 
Wait until they have five nights a week of Jay Leno instead of ER and Law and Order as their 11 PM lead-in this fall...

As for the 7 PM show, explain to me how cancelling it would save any money, exactly. Does it even have its own producer? Certainly the talent and crew are all already there for the 5, 6 and 11, so trimming the 7 won't save any payroll there.
 
Scott Fybush said:
Wait until they have five nights a week of Jay Leno instead of ER and Law and Order as their 11 PM lead-in this fall...

As for the 7 PM show, explain to me how cancelling it would save any money, exactly. Does it even have its own producer? Certainly the talent and crew are all already there for the 5, 6 and 11, so trimming the 7 won't save any payroll there.

Please don't shoot the messenger, or in this case just someone inquiring if this story was actually true.
Perhaps Leno will help boost 10's ratings enough to help their 11pm newscast or not. Time will tell.
 
The Voice of Reason said:
Please don't shoot the messenger, or in this case just someone inquiring if this story was actually true.
Perhaps Leno will help boost 10's ratings enough to help their 11pm newscast or not. Time will tell.

Not shooting any messengers...just pointing out that cancelling a newscast doesn't automatically equate to cost savings, especially since they'd have to get replacement programming for the 7 PM half-hour.

As for Leno, the widespread expectation is that his ratings will be significantly lower than the present 10 PM shows. That's not a problem for NBC itself, since they'll spend much, much less on Leno at 10 than they're spending on dramas - but it could be very bad news for the affiliates.

My speculation - and it's purely a hunch - is that if Leno's ratings drop significantly from the current 10 PM programming, there will be pressure from at least some affiliates in the Eastern and Pacific time zones to be allowed to delay Leno to 10:35, moving the local news from 11 to 10. I'm guessing "News 10 at 10" would leave the WROC/Fox product in the dust...
 
The idea of a newscast is to make money--if you can't sell ads (and no one can in this economic marketplace)--why have a newscast...I am sure 10 is having trouble selling ads for their mainstay shows...let alone the new product at 7. Buying a few reruns like King of Queens, Raymond, etc. is a lot, lot cheapier than a newscast...that is for certain....and spots may be easier to sell for some of those shows than in news right now.

As far as running the news at 10, it is not as simple as just asking NBC to delay Leno...the networks are extremely possessive of primetime--and would not just hand it over to help out WHEC or other affiliates..the chance of that happening would be very slim. Think of all the network ad revenue lost if that were to happen!


Scott Fybush said:
The Voice of Reason said:
Please don't shoot the messenger, or in this case just someone inquiring if this story was actually true.
Perhaps Leno will help boost 10's ratings enough to help their 11pm newscast or not. Time will tell.

Not shooting any messengers...just pointing out that cancelling a newscast doesn't automatically equate to cost savings, especially since they'd have to get replacement programming for the 7 PM half-hour.

As for Leno, the widespread expectation is that his ratings will be significantly lower than the present 10 PM shows. That's not a problem for NBC itself, since they'll spend much, much less on Leno at 10 than they're spending on dramas - but it could be very bad news for the affiliates.

My speculation - and it's purely a hunch - is that if Leno's ratings drop significantly from the current 10 PM programming, there will be pressure from at least some affiliates in the Eastern and Pacific time zones to be allowed to delay Leno to 10:35, moving the local news from 11 to 10. I'm guessing "News 10 at 10" would leave the WROC/Fox product in the dust...
 
s for Leno, the widespread expectation is that his ratings will be significantly lower than the present 10 PM shows.

Actually, I have been reading that NBC expects better ratings on certain days of the weeks. Leno has a huge following and crushes Letterman in the nightly ratings. They are going to hype up this show as much as they can all summer long. Leno might beat the current NBC 10PM lineup on 3 to 4 weekdays . This would obviously boost the 11PM news ratings if it does happen.
As far as the 7PM newscast goes, it is the exact same as the 6PM so I'm sure they can get a better rating with a TV RERUN. I guess they were hoping a huge audience that did not make it home for the 6 news would watch the 7 news. That only happens in big cities with huge traffic problems getting home.
 
Rochwatcher said:
The idea of a newscast is to make money--if you can't sell ads (and no one can in this economic marketplace)--why have a newscast...I am sure 10 is having trouble selling ads for their mainstay shows...let alone the new product at 7. Buying a few reruns like King of Queens, Raymond, etc. is a lot, lot cheapier than a newscast...that is for certain....and spots may be easier to sell for some of those shows than in news right now.

But is it cheaper than whatever WHEC is spending on the 7 PM news? I find it hard to fathom that there are additional costs associated with the 7 PM newscast.

Our NBC affiliate's 7 PM show here in the Cleveland market has different anchors, but they are reporters who are already working anyway. The 7 PM show is just a part of their existing workday. The crews for the news are already being paid for their pre-and-post 7 PM work.
 
Rochwatcher said:
Buying a few reruns like King of Queens, Raymond, etc. is a lot, lot cheapier than a newscast...that is for certain....and spots may be easier to sell for some of those shows than in news right now.

Um, no. If 7pm were the only newscast, maybe you'd have an argument there. But as Scott already mentioned, WHEC already has their people and resources in place to produce news at 5, 6 and 11. Assuming the 7pm show is produced by an existing producer, there's actually no additional expense involved with doing another show at 7pm.

When you plug in syndicated content -- whether it be fresh stuff like a game show, ET or a wannabe ET, or even sitcom reruns -- it's going to cost the station one way or another. In many cases, a cash payment is involved. Regardless of cash or not, all syndicated programs come with their own commercials built-in. That leaves local stations a limited, unchangeable amount of time to squeeze in their own local ads.

On the other hand, when you air local news, you control the entire half-hour -- both in terms of the programming and the commercials.
Got a busy sales period? Just drop a couple stories and expand the breaks for a few days. Got a sales slump? Shorten the breaks and air more news. You can't pull that off with Wheel, Jeopardy, ET, etc.; they can't be shortened or extended.

At the end of the day, the main point is 7pm news doesn't cost a penny, so every single spot is pure profit for the station. Even if the ratings are dismal, as long as the station is making enough to beat the costs of running a syndie show, the show can still be considered a financial success.

Rochwatcher said:
As far as running the news at 10, it is not as simple as just asking NBC to delay Leno...the networks are extremely possessive of primetime--and would not just hand it over to help out WHEC or other affiliates..the chance of that happening would be very slim. Think of all the network ad revenue lost if that were to happen!

That's up for debate. It's a two-way street. The affiliates need the networks, and the networks need the affiliates. If Leno provides a mediocre lead-in for 11pm news, affiliates will be very upset. Most of the larger affiliates are O&O, so NBC will feel the pain from its own properties, where they stand to lose the most. If enough affiliates complain -- with NBC feeling the pain itself -- it would be tough for the network to deny those requests.

The only problem is that many of those large O&O markets already have a firmly-established 10pm newscast in place (NYC has three stations doing hour-long shows), so it might be tough for the NBC affiliates to trump them, especially if they're only going 35 minutes. On the other hand, 10pm news on NBC could be very successful in markets lacking 10pm news... or in markets where a non-big-3 station has a 10pm news provided by a big-3 station (like the WROC/WUHF arrangement).

It would be very interesting if NBC does allow local news at 10, with Leno at 10:35... and it turns out to be a major success. Would the other major networks follow suit? And as a result, would we see the "original" 10pm news stations (ie. WPIX, WWOR, WNYW, other Fox/MyTV stations, etc.) moving to 11pm, to continue being different... or would they all stay put and duke it out at 10pm?

As long as ABC and CBS can come up with really good stuff at 10pm, they still have a chance. But NBC will be successful because Leno will be the "safe option" anytime people don't care for the other networks' 10pm offerings and/or during reruns. (I assume Leno will have new episodes more than just 22 weeks a year...) Better than all 3 networks being in reruns at the same time, which only encourages viewers to surf away through cable, or to turn off the set altogether.
 
BobRoss said:
As long as ABC and CBS can come up with really good stuff at 10pm, they still have a chance. But NBC will be successful because Leno will be the "safe option" anytime people don't care for the other networks' 10pm offerings and/or during reruns. (I assume Leno will have new episodes more than just 22 weeks a year...)

Over double that, if I'm remembering from the initial announcement...Jay will be on live over 40 weeks a year. (I think the figure I heard was 46 weeks, which still gives him 6 weeks of vacation he doesn't like to take.)

It may work out as a value proposition for NBC, but I can't help but join the chorus of those who think the NBC affiliates' 11 PM shows are in trouble with this move. Network lead-in is everything for late news. The CBS affiliate here can't get out of its own way, and is in third place in most newscasts - but they've managed to grab at least one #1 crown at 11, since the network is so successful in prime time.
 
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