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When Did Each All-News Station Begin?

KGO began dying at the "turn of the century" as it did not keep up with the style and content of successful talkers. The Ronn Owens style of the 90's did not fit the new millenium and GM Mikey Lukoff did not institute changes. In fact, after ratings had dropped with the introduction of the PPM, he quit in disgust!

I've written here before of my reaction when, upon moving to the Bay Area, hearing KGO and wondering, "why would anyone listen to this? It's for older people who complain about stuff all day." This was in 1999.

The KGO groupies, and there were a lot of them on the Usenet newsgroup ba.broadcast, wouldn't hear of such criticism.
 
Does not matter at this point given that NPR affiliate KQED-FM dominates the News/talk format in San Francisco and they are 110kw to cover the whole market. This is the station that is partial contributer with KCBS-AM/KFRC-FM for killing off KGO-AM News/talk format in the San Francisco Radio ratings via PPM. KGO-AM did dominate at one point but that was decades ago when diary records was the method for Arbitron at the time.
KQED and KCBS are different animals. KQED is public radio and has significant long-form programming, most of it national. KCBS is oriented to spot news and is mostly originated locally. They both are successful in their respective categories.
 
It’s been a while since I’ve listened to it but 1210 AM (now WPHT) used to carry the CBS news on the top of the hour.
WPHT carries CBS News on-the-hour at night during syndicated shows. During the day, a local newscaster does a quick 90 second update instead. WPHT uses most of that time at the top of the hour to run more commercials.
 
The KGO groupies, and there were a lot of them on the Usenet newsgroup ba.broadcast, wouldn't hear of such criticism.
If you remember ba.broadcast you know how intolerant some participants were. I was, at the time, programming the HBC stations in the market and doing on-site visits and research about 4 times a year, yet that was of no value!
 
I think all the NBC-owned NIS stations stuck to the suggested hourly news wheel. Local news comes first at :00, while the network line is sending down the hourly NBC network newscast. That's what 97.1 WNWS in NYC did, as I remember it. The station could have run the network but that was getting aired on WNBC 660 anyway. And at :07, the NIS anchor was going to start doing the top of that half-hour's newscast, so it could have been redundant. The stories carried on the NBC network news would be the same or similar to what the NIS anchor would be reading at :07.

But some local NIS stations wanted to keep running the network news with which they had been associated for many years. They either didn't do a local newscast in the first half hour, waiting to do local news at the :30 mark, or they didn't run the NIS network from :07 to :15, using that segment for their local news and features.

I saw the list of NIS stations from a 1977 Broadcasting Yearbook. I think four were owned by NBC, 97.1 WNWS NYC, 101.1 WNIS Chicago, 99.7 KNAI San Francisco and 980 WRC Washington. WRC stuck with its in-house all-news format after NIS folded. But a couple of years later, it switched to Talk.

Yes, CKO was another interesting experiment as an All-News network. It had stations in Montreal (980 AM), Toronto (99.1 FM) and several other FM outlets across Canada. Oddly, the CRTC gave each station the same CKO call sign. Maybe they had number suffixes but didn't use them on the air.

And after all the above suggestions, I'll revise my list and include the other stations tomorrow. (How did I miss KYW? It was the second successful All-News station after WINS and before WCBS.)
CKO's AM frequency in Montreal was 1470. 980 was CKGM with Top 40 for most of the time CKO existed (except the last few years.

Speaking of Toronto, no one has yet mentioned CFTR 680, which flipped from CHR to News in 1993. It's lasted about a decade longer with that format than it did as Top 40.

Corus also did all-news, in both English (CINW 940) and French (CINF 690), in Montreal during the 2000s after CBC moved CBF and CBM to FM. IIRC they were never successful and hemorrhaged money for years, with 940 eventually evolving into a news/talk format and then flipping to oldies in 2008, only for both stations to go silent two years later.
 
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CKO's AM frequency in Montreal was 1470. 980 was CKGM with Top 40 for most of the time CKO existed (except the last few years.

Speaking of Toronto, no one has yet mentioned CFTR 680, which flipped from CHR to News in 1993. It's lasted about a decade longer with that format than it did as Top 40.

Corus also did all-news, in both English (CINW 940) and French (CINF 690), in Montreal during the 2000s after CBC moved CBF and CBM to FM. IIRC they were never successful and hemorrhaged money for years, with 940 eventually evolving into a news/talk format and then flipping to oldies in 2008, only for both stations to go silent two years later.
Yes, I should have remember CKO took over English Top 40 station CFOX at 1470, not the other English Top 40 station in Montreal, 980 CKGM.

And even after CKO left the airwaves, a few decades later numerous All-News stations popped up in Canada... Toronto 680 CFTR, Vancouver 1130 CKWX, Ottawa 1310 CIWW, Calgary 660 CFFR, Edmonton CHQT 880 and Halifax CJNI 95.7. Unfortunately, CIWW is now off the air, CHQT is now talk, CJNI is now talk and sports outside morning drive time.

Only CFTR, CKWX and CFFR still do All-News 24/7. An all-night service mixing national news with local traffic and weather inserts is heard on CFTR, CKWX, CFFR and CJNI.
 
At one point, San Juan, PR, had 4 all news networks, originating at WUNO (NotiUno), WKAQ (Radio Reloj), WAPA and Radio Isla that went from 630 to 1320 when WUNO took 630 and moved the facility. WIAC 740 also was briefly mostly or all news.
Radio Isla did not exist when NotiUno moved from 1320 to 630. That was La Super Kadena Noticiosa, hence the WSKN calls.

Super Kadena was part of the Uno Radio Network until they sold it. I don't remember what kind of format they had under Uno. When it was sold, that is when the Radio Isla rebrand happened.
 
Radio Isla did not exist when NotiUno moved from 1320 to 630. That was La Super Kadena Noticiosa, hence the WSKN calls.
Same thing, different name. I was involved in the negotiation to make the frequency move / swap.
Super Kadena was part of the Uno Radio Network until they sold it. I don't remember what kind of format they had under Uno. When it was sold, that is when the Radio Isla rebrand happened.
It was only temporary as the move from 1320 to 630 and the addition of 760 and 910 occurred.
 
KGO was a talk station, in the WOR and WABC style, not all news.
There was an almost three year period when KGO was running an all-news, some-of-the-time format. Ronn Owens' newstalk show continued in its long-time 9-Noon slot, and they ran some syndicated dreck in the late evenings and overnight, but the rest of the day was all-news. But then even the CBS all-newsers started out as "all-news-sometimes, other stuff the rest of the day", if you go back to their beginnings.
 
There was an almost three year period when KGO was running an all-news, some-of-the-time format. Ronn Owens' newstalk show continued in its long-time 9-Noon slot, and they ran some syndicated dreck in the late evenings and overnight, but the rest of the day was all-news. But then even the CBS all-newsers started out as "all-news-sometimes, other stuff the rest of the day", if you go back to their beginnings.
I think the period of reference is "before PPM".

Here is the story of KGO from a ratings perspective.

KGO was one of those talk stations that had huge TSL but a more limited cume. Unlike most music stations, KGO did not have what we called "phantom cume" which was a lot of listeners who used the station less than the favorite two or three and just did not get written into the diary because the name of the station was not as top of mind and the "favorites". So when the PPM came out, showing huge secondary listening for most stations but lower AQH listening overall, KGO got few "phantom" listeners and showed much less Time Spent Listening than before. So it dropped significantly, adding to a decay that had started five to six years before.

All the efforts to "improve" the station just confused the traditional cumers and did not attract new listeners.

KGO had an added problem: when they were a dominant #1, they had become arrogant. At many agencies they were disliked, and when they declined in numbers, they were dropped with a vengeance. I had a number of lunch conversations with local agency media directors and planners where I'd try to fist get their perspective on the market and then find their needs before making a pitch. The resentment towards KGO was very apparent at least among a significant number of those key buyers.
 
There was an almost three year period when KGO was running an all-news, some-of-the-time format. Ronn Owens' newstalk show continued in its long-time 9-Noon slot, and they ran some syndicated dreck in the late evenings and overnight, but the rest of the day was all-news. But then even the CBS all-newsers started out as "all-news-sometimes, other stuff the rest of the day", if you go back to their beginnings.

I think the period of reference is "before PPM".

Post #100 in this thread: https://radiodiscussions.com/threads/when-did-each-all-news-station-begin.772346/post-6744698 - to quote myself:

KGO certainly fit that category until 2011, then it was all-news on weekdays. That lasted until mid-2014, then it went back to more talk shows.

KGO had an added problem: when they were a dominant #1, they had become arrogant. At many agencies they were disliked, and when they declined in numbers, they were dropped with a vengeance. I had a number of lunch conversations with local agency media directors and planners where I'd try to fist get their perspective on the market and then find their needs before making a pitch. The resentment towards KGO was very apparent at least among a significant number of those key buyers.
That doesn't surprise me. I also don't think Luckoff did what Bob Hyland did in St. Louis, which was to insinuate himself into the local political and business establishment. San Francisco could be just as provincial as St. Louis (having lived both places, I should know). Relationships matter in that kind of environment. KMOX was sliding when Hyland died, but he was still perceived as having gone out more or less on top. Of course, that was during the 1990s, too, so the times were a little different, with AM's decline in evidence but with enough successful operations to avoid the doom loop that later developed. When the fall came for KGO, it was rapid. A lot of the negativity was aimed at Citadel and, later, Cumulus, but despite the repeated wishes of very vocal KGO groupies, Luckoff didn't make a comeback. It pays to make friends and build relationships.
 
KGO had an added problem: when they were a dominant #1, they had become arrogant. At many agencies they were disliked, and when they declined in numbers, they were dropped with a vengeance. I had a number of lunch conversations with local agency media directors and planners where I'd try to fist get their perspective on the market and then find their needs before making a pitch. The resentment towards KGO was very apparent at least among a significant number of those key buyers.
I have a personal story. In the latter aughts, I'd joined the board of my alumni association, which was an incorporated Not-For-Profit. One of the other new directors was fairly high up at ABC, and she got me an introduction to KGO/KSFO's engineering chief. He invited me down to the stations for a tour, then out to the transmitter plant to look that over. In thanking him for the hospitality, I asked if there was anything I could do to reciprocate, and he asked what I had in mind. I actually didn't have any specific, but I offered up the idea of providing holiday relief for staffers so someone might be able to spend a holiday like Christmas with their families. (I used to do that at Master Control when I worked at a Cable TV organization years earlier.)

Anyway, he connected me to KGO's executive producer, and I was invited in for an interview for a board op. And when I got there, it quickly became apparent that she was only going through the motions as a favor to the other guy. I'm answering her questions, she's checking her email. Thirty minutes of being passive-aggressively dissed. I left there thinking that this is how arrogant people behave, and what goes around comes around. As in fact it did, not too long thereafter.
 
Woah I never thought of this one in the link about New York City proper as a "News Desert". Everytime I hear the phrase "News Desert" it's usually suburban, small towns and rural areas most affected by the lack of journalism. But if we are looking at context here it's how New York's major newspapers are more focused on national issues and not city issues based on the quote.

“Paradoxically, one of the largest local news deserts in America is New York. That’s why The City was started,” Jeff Jarvis, the Leonard Tow Professor of Journalism Innovation at the Craig Newmark Graduate School of Journalism, told CNN. “The New York Times is not a local newspaper anymore, The [New York] Post is [Rupert] Murdoch’s pulpit, The [New York Daily] News tries to be the Daily Mail.”


But the recent casualties in local media have been “a long time coming,” Jarvis said. “I think that the age of mass media was fairly prescribed by time. Consider that broadcast radio is about a century old right now and it is broadcast radio that led us to mass media, followed by television, followed by cable.”
 




More WCBS-AM airchecks are released by Ellis B Feaster as the last days of 880 AM as an all news station in 2024 closes as ESPN New York takes over the 880AM signal as WHSQ.
 
CKO's AM frequency in Montreal was 1470. 980 was CKGM with Top 40 for most of the time CKO existed (except the last few years.

Speaking of Toronto, no one has yet mentioned CFTR 680, which flipped from CHR to News in 1993. It's lasted about a decade longer with that format than it did as Top 40.

Corus also did all-news, in both English (CINW 940) and French (CINF 690), in Montreal during the 2000s after CBC moved CBF and CBM to FM. IIRC they were never successful and hemorrhaged money for years, with 940 eventually evolving into a news/talk format and then flipping to oldies in 2008, only for both stations to go silent two years later.
Isn't CFTR still all-news?

Back in 1991 it was great to hear a top-40 on an AM in a major city...at least for a radio geek. But thinking back, it was absurd that pop music was effectively forced to be on AM - well over a decade after it would have died of natural listening habits.
 


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