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When the HD signal goes down ... off the air.

Even a group owner Chief Engineer said when one of his HD channels was off waiting on parts, it took almost a week before they got a call from a concerned listener.

That same attitude may prevail here as well. Several years ago KOOL-FM gave a ton of publicity to HD radio (their own streams of course) but when that stream died several weeks ago (and is still not back on the air) there has been no hue and cry about it. I even posted on this forum asking if anyone was aware of the reason it was off-line and didn't get a single response.

But none of that matters to me as HD is the only place I can obtain OTA content (Oldies) I want to listen to. As long as they keep the stream up I don't care how many other people are listening. Of course, I don't think it will last forever as there have to be some costs associated with it but for now life is great. I am hearing songs I haven't heard since the 70's (and loving it).
 
Concerning automakers resistance to HD, I think it has to do more with the consumer.

Maybe, but money does a lot to change minds. Back 15 years ago, consumers didn't care much about satellite either. But when XM and Sirius fell over themselves throwing money, the car companies quickly did business. They committed before there was a market for the product. They in fact help create the demand.
 


That same attitude may prevail here as well. Several years ago KOOL-FM gave a ton of publicity to HD radio (their own streams of course) but when that stream died several weeks ago (and is still not back on the air) there has been no hue and cry about it. I even posted on this forum asking if anyone was aware of the reason it was off-line and didn't get a single response.

But none of that matters to me as HD is the only place I can obtain OTA content (Oldies) I want to listen to. As long as they keep the stream up I don't care how many other people are listening. Of course, I don't think it will last forever as there have to be some costs associated with it but for now life is great. I am hearing songs I haven't heard since the 70's (and loving it).

How would you even let the station know? The people hosting stations' Facebook and Twitter pages don't know what HD is. A local station's HD went off a while back and I asked very nicely about it on the Facebook page, and the post was deleted. Then I sent the administrator a direct message (or whatever Facebook calls it) and never heard back. They can't say no one notices when there's no one there to field a question or complaint, even a polite one.
 
Why people interested in a broadcast station technical information turn to social media is beyond me. Facebook? How about picking up this thing called a phone, pressing the buttons for the phone number published on the station website, and asking to speak with someone in the engineering department? Of if textual communication is all you have the stomach for, there is this thing called E-mail.
 
People use texting, FB messaging, etc. today instead of email, and hardly anyone talks on their phone if they're under the age of 35. You know -- the demos all the stations are trying to chase.

Something like an HD channel going off for an extended period shouldn't be a problem that is assigned to tech nuts only. It's programming that is no longer on the air.

Not saying whether it's right or wrong -- just sayin'.
 
People use texting, FB messaging, etc. today instead of email, and hardly anyone talks on their phone if they're under the age of 35.

That's fine for personal communications. But a business will delete posts like that. I'm just telling you how things work.
 
People use texting, FB messaging, etc. today instead of email, and hardly anyone talks on their phone if they're under the age of 35. You know -- the demos all the stations are trying to chase.

"All" the stations are not chasing under-35 demos. Stations are "chasing" the demos where there is ad revenue available, which means anywhere between 18 and 54.

CHR stations chase women 18-34 and 25-44. Sports chases men 18-54 or 25-54. Classic Hits and Classic Rock goes for 35-54 and gets most of it from 45-54. Country is 18-49 or 25-54. Hot AC is very 25-44, and conventional AC is 35-54. Talk and news target 35+ almost exclusively.

Each station in a market aims at its own target. And many of the most successful don't aim at under 35 at all.
 
To refer to the Engineering department as "tech nuts" is offensive.
If the HD signal is off, it's not a problem for the Program Director. It's a technical issue.
If you want an immediate response, pick up the phone and call the station. Tell them that you have a serious issue and that you need to speak with the Chief Engineer.
 
To refer to the Engineering department as "tech nuts" is offensive.


Totally.

If the HD signal is off, it's not a problem for the Program Director. It's a technical issue.

And along that line, we have seen many a PD who has never been to the transmitter site. There is nothing wrong with that, but don't expect an explanation from the content department about a technical issue.

The reality is that many stations that were planning to add HD capability to auxiliary transmitters or sites put those projects on hold when the recession hit. So the most frequent reason for an HD service to be off the air is that the station is on a backup transmitter that is not HD capable.
 
I think an obvious thing has been ignored here in the last posts: No one or mostly no one cares or knows when the buzz is off and that includes most people who work at the stations except obviously the engineering staff (if there is one). They may not care or may be actively against HD and may think it is an unnecessary PITA, may also think it's a waste of electricity and knows that the software is antiquated and consequently waits for that call to come after a week from the only person in their area who actually listens to it. Anyone here ever do a job where management gives you a new duty or aspect of your job which you think is an absolute waste of time? People in this situation do not actually rush out to fix something like that especially if they are already overworked.
 
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I think an obvious thing has been ignored here in the last posts: No one or mostly no one cares when the buzz is off and that includes most people who work at the stations, except obviously the engineering staff (if there is one), they may not care or may be actively against HD and may think it is an unnecessary PITA, also probably thinks it's a waste of electricity and knows that the software is antiquated and consequently waits for that call to come after a week from the only person in their area who actually listens to it. Anyone here ever do a job where management gives you a new duty or aspect of your job which you think is an absolute waste of time? People in this situation do not actually rush out to fix something like that especially if they are already overworked.

If you have one of the many HD equipped stations that has a contract for data services on HD or which has LMAed an HD to a third party or where the HD-2 or HD-3 is used to "feed" an FM translator, you pay a lot of attention.

Keep in mind that, IIRC, a third of HD stations don't have an HD-2 or beyond. They are just doing it for the digital simulcast.
 
I think an obvious thing has been ignored here in the last posts: No one or mostly no one cares or knows when the buzz is off and that includes most people who work at the stations except obviously the engineering staff (if there is one). They may not care or may be actively against HD and may think it is an unnecessary PITA, may also think it's a waste of electricity and knows that the software is antiquated and consequently waits for that call to come after a week from the only person in their area who actually listens to it. Anyone here ever do a job where management gives you a new duty or aspect of your job which you think is an absolute waste of time? People in this situation do not actually rush out to fix something like that especially if they are already overworked.

I get the impression that you don't or haven't been in charge of a broadcast engineering department. I know a lot of them across the country and overseas, nor can I recall a single Chief Engineer that thinks HD is a "waste of electricity" to the point of ignoring whether it functions or not. That may be YOUR opinion, but you shouldn't project your amateur-hobbyist-curmudgeon opinions on professionals who do care.
 
No one or mostly no one cares or knows when the buzz is off and that includes most people who work at the stations except obviously the engineering staff (if there is one).



That's really off the topic. It's rare when anyone outside the staff notices that a station is broadcasting in mono, but it happens. None of that has anything to do with car manufacturers installing it in their dashboard.
 
There's an article at Bloomberg that sheds some business light on that philosophy:

But, if anything, radio buys are dropping the 50-54, with the top cutoff at 49. There is essentially no money for 55+, which excludes about 80% of Boomers.
 
Why people interested in a broadcast station technical information turn to social media is beyond me. Facebook? How about picking up this thing called a phone, pressing the buttons for the phone number published on the station website, and asking to speak with someone in the engineering department? Of if textual communication is all you have the stomach for, there is this thing called E-mail.

I turned to Facebook because corporate stations don't publish their engineer's e-mail address, for obvious reasons. In fact, I don't see any e-mail addresses of any kind (not even sales) on most of the iHeart and Cumulus websites I've visited over the years. Which leaves telephone…

If you want an immediate response, pick up the phone and call the station. Tell them that you have a serious issue and that you need to speak with the Chief Engineer.

I've done this before, and the results have been a less than successful. The stations are usually in a cluster, which is staffed by a receptionist who doesn't know who the engineer is, where he or she is or how to get in touch with them. Yes, there are occasional exceptions but by and large engineers are harder to reach than sales or the GM, if there's even one on staff at the time at all. It usually involves leaving a message and number and them calling back a few days later. Which is cool.

That's assuming you can even find a proper listing for a radio station in the phone book. The last station I tried to contact directly, WJTQ in Pensacola, was not listed under that name. Or even their moniker "100.7 The Jet". It's listed as "Arrow 100.7" which is a name they haven't used in probably 15 years! That's when it dawned on me to search by parent company. But I doubt John C. Listener knows their iHeart from their Summit from their Bluewater. Hell, I barely know and I've been following this stuff for years.

Strangely enough, this station DID respond by Facebook, and fast. They acknowledged the issue and were really nice about it, thanked me for listening, and had the problem fixed eventually. (It wasn't HD related.)

I should note that this issue is strictly corporate in my opinion. Small town, family run stations are wonderfully easy to get in touch with. Especially when the engineer is also the swap shop host and the guy who makes the coffee and sweeps the floors at night. But few of those run HD or other unreliable wizardry. ;)

Anyone here ever do a job where management gives you a new duty or aspect of your job which you think is an absolute waste of time? People in this situation do not actually rush out to fix something like that especially if they are already overworked.

Of course, that's called working any job, ever. And good employees do the work, which is why poor over-worked engineers still take care of the HD when they can, time and money permitting. I don't hold them accountable for the failures of something beyond their control, but I do wish there was an easier way to let them know that some people are in fact listening.

Over the years I've cultivated a small roster of helpful and friendly engineers in other markets, but I don't know anyone down here. So really it's my own home area where I have trouble getting in touch with radio engineers (TV is a different story, they're always quick to answer questions or field calls.)

Oh, and it's not just the under-35 crowd who eschews the telephone as old-fashioned. According to my phone's call timer, I've talked for approximately 65 minutes… since December of last year. Most of that was spent on hold for doctors.
 
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To refer to the Engineering department as "tech nuts" is offensive.
If the HD signal is off, it's not a problem for the Program Director. It's a technical issue.
If you want an immediate response, pick up the phone and call the station. Tell them that you have a serious issue and that you need to speak with the Chief Engineer.

I wasn't referring to the engineering departments as 'tech nuts'. It was a semi tongue-in-cheek response to Kelly A's assertion that the HD signal being off would only be a concern to people (listeners) who are into the technical aspects of radio, as opposed to someone being concerned about the HD signal being off because they actually were listening because of the programming.

Sorry if that was misconstrued.

I understand what you and the others are saying here.

But the average listener is not probably going to bother to look the phone number up, and then try to find the engineering department. They may or may not email, depending on whether the station's website actually has any email contact info. The average listener isn't aware of the PD or chief engineer. They just know the signal isn't there anymore.

To them, either the signal is on, or it's off. If it's off, and they have a concern about that, they're going to use the website, FB, or whatever, or they're just going to turn the dial somewhere else.
 
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Friction between PDs and Engineers, even former engineers who become managers, is a longstanding problem. The following obscenity laced account reveals one such situation from the 1960s, and some of the persons involved are familiar to many of the posters here. Bob Dell, in case you didn't know, is none other than WIND/WOWO/WKQX/WWL's Bob DelGiorno. Warning: If you overlook the obscenities, Peter Cavanaugh's book has some really interesting information.

https://petercavanaugh.wordpress.com/2009/04/10/288/
 
I get the impression that you don't or haven't been in charge of a broadcast engineering department. I know a lot of them across the country and overseas, nor can I recall a single Chief Engineer that thinks HD is a "waste of electricity" to the point of ignoring whether it functions or not. That may be YOUR opinion, but you shouldn't project your amateur-hobbyist-curmudgeon opinions on professionals who do care.

I have read quite a bit over the years since iBlock came on the scene and many engineers couldn't have cared less, it was seen as a nuisance by many (try googling it). Perhaps now that translators are used frequently to circumvent local ownership regulations they probably have to be more cognizant as to when the buzz is off.
 
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