R
radiofriend1
Guest
stick a fork in jack in chi. and admit it was a total bomb??????
-
Get involved.
We want your input!
Apply for Membership and join the conversations about everything related to broadcasting.
After we receive your registration, a moderator will review it. After your registration is approved, you will be permitted to post.
If you use a disposable or false email address, your registration will be rejected.
After your membership is approved, please take a minute to tell us a little bit about yourself.
https://www.radiodiscussions.com/forums/introduce-yourself.1088/
Thanks in advance and have fun!
RadioDiscussions Administrators
Don't count on it now that the ratings are out. While JACK flounders in Chicago, the NYC and L A numbers (especially L A)are both much better, so that means it stays in the other large markets with added pressure on the JACK folks in Chicago.
The NYC "JACK" now has a live voice in the morning doing news, weather, and traffic.
So while the folks at 94.7 are enjoying a success level above and beyond the last couple years of "Oldies 104.3" in Chicago, we'll wait and see what JACK-FM throws at us this quarter. Or should I say, we'll just see? Never mind the 'wait'.
The NYC "JACK" now has a live voice in the morning doing news, weather, and traffic.
So while the folks at 94.7 are enjoying a success level above and beyond the last couple years of "Oldies 104.3" in Chicago, we'll wait and see what JACK-FM throws at us this quarter. Or should I say, we'll just see? Never mind the 'wait'.
O
OldiesCat
Guest
WZZN vs. Oldies 104.3
I'm not sure what measuring stick you're using to claim WZZN is having "a success level above and beyond...Oldies 104.3". Currently, WZZN is #19 in 25-54 adults and while the old WJMK wasn't the greatest Oldies station on earth, they were usually close to the Top 10 25-54. WZZN looks pretty good 12+ right now but that's obviously misleading (and their revenue is really mediocre).
chgodave said:
I'm not sure what measuring stick you're using to claim WZZN is having "a success level above and beyond...Oldies 104.3". Currently, WZZN is #19 in 25-54 adults and while the old WJMK wasn't the greatest Oldies station on earth, they were usually close to the Top 10 25-54. WZZN looks pretty good 12+ right now but that's obviously misleading (and their revenue is really mediocre).
S
stench
Guest
radiofriend1 said:
Remember Dancing Oldies? CBS does.
P
PDPete
Guest
stench said:
Hey, that's what 100.3 is these days! ;D
P
PDPete
Guest
Re: WZZN vs. Oldies 104.3
Yeah, but all of that is beside the point. The fact that Jack is getting slaughtered by a format that was supposedly "dying" is an absolute abomination! The way the suits in New York treated the personalities on the old 104.3 is even more tragic. That WZZN is doing so well, with some of the old 104.3 jocks on top of that, is all the more sweet!
Oldies Cat said:
Yeah, but all of that is beside the point. The fact that Jack is getting slaughtered by a format that was supposedly "dying" is an absolute abomination! The way the suits in New York treated the personalities on the old 104.3 is even more tragic. That WZZN is doing so well, with some of the old 104.3 jocks on top of that, is all the more sweet!
M
MrJoey
Guest
I think CBS should of made JACK on WCKG. WJMK was doing good in the ratings.
O
OldiesCat
Guest
WZZN
Pete, I hate to break the news to you but any station ranked #19 in it's core demo isn't "slaughtering" anybody.
WZZN looks a lot better 12+ (which NOBODY uses for sales or strategy purposes) than they do 25-54 and their revenue isn't much better than when they were in their rock format.
Now, that's different than "was Jack the right format to change to?". My answer to that is that WJMK wasn't much of an Oldies station, their revenues were on a 4 year downslide and Oldies isn't a format of the future, to be perfectly frank. Why not try something new and different? Problem: CBS did not execute this or the New York flips well at all. Doing them at literally the same time wasn't the best of P.R. moves, either. There are ways to pull this kind of thing off tastefully but the egos at CBS were too interested in the glitz and not enough in developing the actual products, IMHO.
PDPete said:
Pete, I hate to break the news to you but any station ranked #19 in it's core demo isn't "slaughtering" anybody.
WZZN looks a lot better 12+ (which NOBODY uses for sales or strategy purposes) than they do 25-54 and their revenue isn't much better than when they were in their rock format. Now, that's different than "was Jack the right format to change to?". My answer to that is that WJMK wasn't much of an Oldies station, their revenues were on a 4 year downslide and Oldies isn't a format of the future, to be perfectly frank. Why not try something new and different? Problem: CBS did not execute this or the New York flips well at all. Doing them at literally the same time wasn't the best of P.R. moves, either. There are ways to pull this kind of thing off tastefully but the egos at CBS were too interested in the glitz and not enough in developing the actual products, IMHO.
O
OldiesCat
Guest
cbs
Well, the one in Chicago was no big loss. NYC may have been a different story, though revenues were dropping pretty quickly.
I think the deal in NY and Chicago was part pre-emptive, part ego. I said then and will say again they could have pulled their heads out of their butts within a couple of months of nuking CBS-FM by doing a "mea culpa! Our bad- we'll bring Oldies back, but on 102.7 FM", which was doing nothing at the time.
On the other hand, we know major broadcast groups in the New York market immediately did a format search to see how big the hole might be to bring Oldies back. Since nobody has, you can bet that hole wasn't that big.
Well, the one in Chicago was no big loss. NYC may have been a different story, though revenues were dropping pretty quickly.
I think the deal in NY and Chicago was part pre-emptive, part ego. I said then and will say again they could have pulled their heads out of their butts within a couple of months of nuking CBS-FM by doing a "mea culpa! Our bad- we'll bring Oldies back, but on 102.7 FM", which was doing nothing at the time.
On the other hand, we know major broadcast groups in the New York market immediately did a format search to see how big the hole might be to bring Oldies back. Since nobody has, you can bet that hole wasn't that big.
- Status