Are you guys preparing yourselves for the new Goo Goo Dolls? WKQI is already heavily on their latest hit. I'm sure, if not already, this will be straight up WSTR and WWWQ's ally as well.
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Where are the rock hits?
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Yeah, new Goo Goo Dolls is already spinning 20x here...did anyone notice how fast the new Linkin Park shot up the Alt charts? I'm adding it Tuesday.
As I was sitting in the car listening to some classic and past rock hits, I was thinking... right now is the PERFECT time for chr rock to "make a come back"! While we are sliding back towards more quality music, lyrics, and melodies, this is the perfect time for those good sounding groovy & rhythmy alternative rock songs to pop back in the charts! I was talking to my mom the other day and EVEN SHE notices the return of quality songs in hit music today! This is coming from a woman who asked me "what is "hit music?""!! So if SHE notices, then something really must be getting better. Even though I do believe we had the alternative rock songs "when we needed them most", it's still nice to have the quality (rock) music playing with the pop hits that have now returned to being quality as well! I'm sure this lack of alternarock will just be a phase that will pass soon. We just have to let the sudden shock over the discovery of the fact that you can be creative, melodic, and don't have to rap over everything to make it anymore, pass. It did seem like in the very early stages of the death of hip hop (the period when seemingly only Lil Wayne and Soulja Boy were really making it), the trend was almost beginning ot drift towards a rock sound. Back in 07-08 when almost every single dj on the planet was doing or using mash-ups, it seemed like everything was mashed up with rock. Then Lil Wayne of course put out his rock song. I am glad that the dance sound I predicted did come to play, but I do miss some of the good, fun, laid back but upbeat groovy sounding alternative rock sounds people like Finger Eleven, Nickelback, Green Day,..etc. used to provide. If those are not the best examples, forgive me, because rock is not really my expertise. By the way, speaking of the era of rock and rap mashups, I wonder how Skratch-n-sniff is doing? Are they still syndicating that mix show?
I see KPWR Power 106 has long time been without their rock meets hip hop show on Sunday nights, too... but that was more of a Limp Bizkit era thing.
I see KPWR Power 106 has long time been without their rock meets hip hop show on Sunday nights, too... but that was more of a Limp Bizkit era thing.
KDM 7000 said:
I hope you are correct, KDM. I would love to hear some alternative rock on CHR. I like to listen to Alternative Rock stations but I tend to like the songs that have that (as you say) "groovy & rhythmy" sound to them -- e.g., "Lisztomania," by Phoenix. Unfortunately, most of the music on Alt Rock stations do not have that melodic sound so I have to tolerate many songs I don't like before I hear one I do. Now, if only CHR would only pluck those melodic alt rock hits and play them in between the dancy pop hits, I would be in heaven.
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MarcR
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AM FM listener said:
If you listen to airchecks of New York's Z-100 circa late 1993/1994, you'd hear exactly that sort of sound. I seriously doubt though you will ever hear it again.
What's missing in the Rock Hit sound ....alternative or any variable form of rock is , there not the Cars, Steppenwolf, The Police, Tom Petty and especially 38 Special.
The Foo Fighters, The Killers sounded they striving for good catchy hooks to come out of their music and fell short no matter what type of hype they add on stage.. Especially in their last single releases. And groups like Limp Bizkit, Everclear, become a sound of noise. They don't have what the rockers i mentioned above have. Good songwriting, good arrangements, and good catchy hooks.
The Foo Fighters, The Killers sounded they striving for good catchy hooks to come out of their music and fell short no matter what type of hype they add on stage.. Especially in their last single releases. And groups like Limp Bizkit, Everclear, become a sound of noise. They don't have what the rockers i mentioned above have. Good songwriting, good arrangements, and good catchy hooks.
What??? When exactly were Steppenwolf or 38 Special staples at CHR radio?
38 Special scored a big hit with their ballad "Second Chance", but they were never a core act at the format.
I love it when people reminisce over yesteryear and make it sound like things were so much better back in the day.
With regards to Z-100's Modern Rock leaning period in the mid 90s, yes they sounded great, but the CHR/Pop format as a whole was in big trouble, if not in disarray.
The format's healthy right now, and the CHRs are playing whats hot for the CHR audience. Since 18-34 females that tune into CHR radio mainly prefer Rhythmic/Pop over Pop/Rock, the majority of a CHR's playlist are Rhythmic leaning. It would be nice to hear a bit more Rock, but nice translate into dollars and ratings.
BTW, those of you seeking a good Rock friendly or Rock leaning CHR are being a bit lazy about it - start scouring the net for such stations. Such stations definitely exist around the world.
For example, Radio Top 40, which broadcasts to the Thuringen region of Germany:
http://www.radiotop40.de/www/musik/playlist/index.php
Or Delta Radio, which can be heard in northern Germany, including in Hamburg:
http://www.deltaradio.de/delta/musik/countdown/index.html
And they play more than their fair share of Rock titles on Holland's 3FM
http://www.3fm.nl/playlists/still-hot
38 Special scored a big hit with their ballad "Second Chance", but they were never a core act at the format.
I love it when people reminisce over yesteryear and make it sound like things were so much better back in the day.
With regards to Z-100's Modern Rock leaning period in the mid 90s, yes they sounded great, but the CHR/Pop format as a whole was in big trouble, if not in disarray.
The format's healthy right now, and the CHRs are playing whats hot for the CHR audience. Since 18-34 females that tune into CHR radio mainly prefer Rhythmic/Pop over Pop/Rock, the majority of a CHR's playlist are Rhythmic leaning. It would be nice to hear a bit more Rock, but nice translate into dollars and ratings.
BTW, those of you seeking a good Rock friendly or Rock leaning CHR are being a bit lazy about it - start scouring the net for such stations. Such stations definitely exist around the world.
For example, Radio Top 40, which broadcasts to the Thuringen region of Germany:
http://www.radiotop40.de/www/musik/playlist/index.php
Or Delta Radio, which can be heard in northern Germany, including in Hamburg:
http://www.deltaradio.de/delta/musik/countdown/index.html
And they play more than their fair share of Rock titles on Holland's 3FM
http://www.3fm.nl/playlists/still-hot
What??? When exactly were Steppenwolf or 38 Special staples at CHR radio?
38 Special scored a big hit with their ballad "Second Chance", but they were never a core act at the format.
>>>>Oh Really? How old are you? 38 Special were staples and had many hits on CHR (Hot Hits ) back in the 80's. That's not the point....even the 1 hit 2 hit rockers staples as far as delivering and blending in with any various forms of hit music or various forms of CHR were staples.
I love it when people reminisce over yesteryear and make it sound like things were so much better back in the day.
>>>>That's right....it was a better world and country and a superb industry back then if you can't tell. Just like 38 Special, Steppenwolf, Def Leppard , I can go on forever. Tell me what rock band or song today or the entire millenium compares to a "More than A Feeling", Which was once a top 40 CHR hit. What I'm also saying is...These songs have the staying power today that something from Finger 11 or Papa Roach (god for bid awful) doesn't compare or never will have. Whatever happen to Fran Fernidanz or whatever. You hear alot from these days. How about Modest Mouse were they had a slight catchy hook in their top song but not quite. Thought so. Many of them just become cult bands like Guster. Gimme a break.....the good old days are the good old days. I'll buy you a Gnarls Barkley CD for your graduation gift once you complete Sign Twirling school.
38 Special scored a big hit with their ballad "Second Chance", but they were never a core act at the format.
>>>>Oh Really? How old are you? 38 Special were staples and had many hits on CHR (Hot Hits ) back in the 80's. That's not the point....even the 1 hit 2 hit rockers staples as far as delivering and blending in with any various forms of hit music or various forms of CHR were staples.
I love it when people reminisce over yesteryear and make it sound like things were so much better back in the day.
>>>>That's right....it was a better world and country and a superb industry back then if you can't tell. Just like 38 Special, Steppenwolf, Def Leppard , I can go on forever. Tell me what rock band or song today or the entire millenium compares to a "More than A Feeling", Which was once a top 40 CHR hit. What I'm also saying is...These songs have the staying power today that something from Finger 11 or Papa Roach (god for bid awful) doesn't compare or never will have. Whatever happen to Fran Fernidanz or whatever. You hear alot from these days. How about Modest Mouse were they had a slight catchy hook in their top song but not quite. Thought so. Many of them just become cult bands like Guster. Gimme a break.....the good old days are the good old days. I'll buy you a Gnarls Barkley CD for your graduation gift once you complete Sign Twirling school.
Aside from the fact that I'm 33 and have an MBA, both of which are non-relevant to this discussion, I also have many old Radio & Records playlists from every year from 1980-1994 so I know exactly what Top 40 radio played back in the day.
Comparing great songs like Boston's "More Than A Feeling" (which Nirvana pretty much ripped off from for the opening of "Smells Like Teen Spirit") or Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody" to today's songs is like comparing apples to oranges.
Remember, Rock & Roll broke through to the mainstream (aka America's white youth) in the mid 50s, and really started to dominate Top 40 radio after 1964 during the "British invasion". But you know what? There were no Rock-formatted stations back then. Top 40 radio was the only source for teens and young adults to tune into the latest releases from the UK or California. That's why stations like KLIF Dallas consistently ranked at the top with phenomenal ratings in their markets.
In the 70s Rock was still young enough to experiment with different sounds and was able to stay relevant with the youth. At the same time, FM Rock radio was becoming very popular. The Rock audience and the Top 40 audience weren't always on the same page, to say the least as Rock songs became longer whereas Top 40 radio hits were usually 3-4 mins long.
In the early 80s, following Disco's backlash, the rise of Urban Contemporary radio, and many other reasons, Top 40 stations were in trouble and began leaning either Adult or Rock for a couple of years. The format started to become healthy again once Michael Jackson's Thriller album was released, followed by mass appeal records from Madonna and Prince, along with Cable Television's MTV penetrating more and more households. It wasn't Rock that saved the format - it was definitely Rhythmic/Pop and Dance/Pop hits.
PS, 38 Special were not all that special for the Top 40 audience."Second Chance" was their biggest hit, but they had another Top 10 hit much earlier in the 1980s decade called "Caught Up In You". Aside from that they had 3-4 other Top 20 hits in the early to mid 80s.
Comparing great songs like Boston's "More Than A Feeling" (which Nirvana pretty much ripped off from for the opening of "Smells Like Teen Spirit") or Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody" to today's songs is like comparing apples to oranges.
Remember, Rock & Roll broke through to the mainstream (aka America's white youth) in the mid 50s, and really started to dominate Top 40 radio after 1964 during the "British invasion". But you know what? There were no Rock-formatted stations back then. Top 40 radio was the only source for teens and young adults to tune into the latest releases from the UK or California. That's why stations like KLIF Dallas consistently ranked at the top with phenomenal ratings in their markets.
In the 70s Rock was still young enough to experiment with different sounds and was able to stay relevant with the youth. At the same time, FM Rock radio was becoming very popular. The Rock audience and the Top 40 audience weren't always on the same page, to say the least as Rock songs became longer whereas Top 40 radio hits were usually 3-4 mins long.
In the early 80s, following Disco's backlash, the rise of Urban Contemporary radio, and many other reasons, Top 40 stations were in trouble and began leaning either Adult or Rock for a couple of years. The format started to become healthy again once Michael Jackson's Thriller album was released, followed by mass appeal records from Madonna and Prince, along with Cable Television's MTV penetrating more and more households. It wasn't Rock that saved the format - it was definitely Rhythmic/Pop and Dance/Pop hits.
PS, 38 Special were not all that special for the Top 40 audience."Second Chance" was their biggest hit, but they had another Top 10 hit much earlier in the 1980s decade called "Caught Up In You". Aside from that they had 3-4 other Top 20 hits in the early to mid 80s.
I'm not basing it on who charted what position....I'm basing it on airplay and integration with all various forms of hit music. Grand Funk, Kiss, ELO had ample airplay as much as any pop/R&B artist back in that period. Yes myself would like to hear more rock intertwined with the pop/r&B on the playlists like Neon Trees, OAR, The Fray, Lifehouse, the Script, but most of the rock acts that charted or had airplay during the period 2000-2008, was mediocre at best. There hasn't been anyone that can barely touch the Stones the last 10 years and mostly anyone outside this board would slightly disagree with me.
Rock needs to put out better quality product then it has been or it will continue to be secondary. "Free Bird" , yes it's been a zillion times we heard it, but on a good day, it will still sound like you heard it the first time. Lifehouse has been the only group that has been putting out consistent hit singles today, and the only band I would place on the all-time top 100-150 rock bands of all -time. If that. Nickleback the top band is mediocre, until they came out with 'This Afternoon" which is their latest and best today. Chad's bellowing kinda gets to me after awhile. The bands of the late 90's and 2000's don't have the staying power.
Rock needs to put out better quality product then it has been or it will continue to be secondary. "Free Bird" , yes it's been a zillion times we heard it, but on a good day, it will still sound like you heard it the first time. Lifehouse has been the only group that has been putting out consistent hit singles today, and the only band I would place on the all-time top 100-150 rock bands of all -time. If that. Nickleback the top band is mediocre, until they came out with 'This Afternoon" which is their latest and best today. Chad's bellowing kinda gets to me after awhile. The bands of the late 90's and 2000's don't have the staying power.
I remember ,38 Special-Caught Up In You being a big CHR hit in 1982. I even remember a station that was 90% rhythmic (very unusual at the time because there was still a post-disco backlash) that played that song in heavy rotation...and it actually fit in despite the bands Southern rock style.
They had other songs too besideds "Second Chance" that got CHR airplay. But they were still more of an AOR than CHR act,
They had other songs too besideds "Second Chance" that got CHR airplay. But they were still more of an AOR than CHR act,
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nightfly61
Guest
Pretenders "Middle of the Road", Aerosmith's "Ragdoll" & (before they were known as "hair bands", metal bands of the 80's were very much CHR (of course with a little upping of pitch on most). Golden Earring, Night Ranger, SOME Kansas (Play the Game Tonight), "Back Where You Belong" by 38 Special, Fixx, Jefferson Starship, etc.
bchristi said:
Neon Trees
Every Avenue
Black Keys
Good Charlotte is back
The Maine
Paper Tongues
American Bang
All Time Low
All-American Rejects
the list can go on...check out some stuff KBKS plays, same with S001, WHTS, WIXX..
Yeah but he was talking about a Fresh sound in Rock. Just like Emo suddenly crossed over and became cool with female teens, or the Myspace bands, or the Nu-Metal of a decade ago.
You need a few things to cross over
1) Media hype
2) Good looking artists for the media to exploit
3) Catchy lyrics with contemporary production elements
BTW, there are plenty of Rock hits. It's just that they're big with the Rock audience, or rather with a specific type of Rock audience. You can listen to Modern Rock stations and pretty quickly catch up on whats hot there, or to Active Rock, or Triple A and College radio. You can also listen to satellite radio, internet radio, youtube and Myspace, and other outlets to expose yourself to all that's hot in the wide world of Rock.
You really don't need to limit yourself to Sirius Hits 1, 101.1 WIXX Green Bay, or Kiss 106.1 Seattle. To get a more accurate picture I'd tune into L.A. stations like 106.7 K-Rock, 98.7 FM, (non-commercial) 89.9 KCRW, and to 100.3 The Sound.
Since Kiss in Seattle was mentioned why not also check out 107.7 The End, 99.9 KISW, 103.7 The Mountain, and (Tacoma-based) Funky Monkey 104.9.
You need a few things to cross over
1) Media hype
2) Good looking artists for the media to exploit
3) Catchy lyrics with contemporary production elements
BTW, there are plenty of Rock hits. It's just that they're big with the Rock audience, or rather with a specific type of Rock audience. You can listen to Modern Rock stations and pretty quickly catch up on whats hot there, or to Active Rock, or Triple A and College radio. You can also listen to satellite radio, internet radio, youtube and Myspace, and other outlets to expose yourself to all that's hot in the wide world of Rock.
You really don't need to limit yourself to Sirius Hits 1, 101.1 WIXX Green Bay, or Kiss 106.1 Seattle. To get a more accurate picture I'd tune into L.A. stations like 106.7 K-Rock, 98.7 FM, (non-commercial) 89.9 KCRW, and to 100.3 The Sound.
Since Kiss in Seattle was mentioned why not also check out 107.7 The End, 99.9 KISW, 103.7 The Mountain, and (Tacoma-based) Funky Monkey 104.9.
This is where everybody's missing the point when it comes to rock hits.......
Neon Trees
Every Avenue
Black Keys
Good Charlotte is back
The Maine
Paper Tongues
American Bang
All Time Low
All-American Rejects
3 or 4 of these bands will be anywhere known as bands to remember, or at least at the moment. Whether they are one hit wonders, or bands that been charting for a decade, they need to chart CHR or Hot AC to be played as retro or milennium hits later on. Example....Who the hell are the Paper Tongues?
American Bang?
All-American Rejects...yes they will be remembered. They have been played on CHR, the way Creedence Clearwater, Boston , Zepplin, Poison, was played. The problem with bands like the White Stripes, or the Screaming Trees, the average listener or music lover won't remember or ever heard of their music, because they only managed to chart on Active Rock, College, or anything that is subsidiary. They may get 15 minutes of fame...but that's it. If your not heard on the CHR or Hot AC, you will be forgotten or your not a hit band, with exception to your own cult or genre. It could be in your college, nightclub, or heavy party days for a few years, but most people if they want to be successful or have a family, will grow of that. But the mass appeal of their success is not there, and you will be forgotten like The Dead Kennedys, or The Stranglers.
Motley Crue or Guns N' Roses who came out with a CD a few years ago.... can anyone unless your a true devoted fan of these bands name a hit or familiar song off their last CD's? 98% at least NO.
Will they be familiar or name at least a couple tunes they recorded back in the 80's -early 90's....98% YES.
Active Rock seems to mean , too old to quit, and too young to retire. I'm doing this as hobby then trying to be successful for everyone.
Neon Trees
Every Avenue
Black Keys
Good Charlotte is back
The Maine
Paper Tongues
American Bang
All Time Low
All-American Rejects
3 or 4 of these bands will be anywhere known as bands to remember, or at least at the moment. Whether they are one hit wonders, or bands that been charting for a decade, they need to chart CHR or Hot AC to be played as retro or milennium hits later on. Example....Who the hell are the Paper Tongues?
American Bang?
All-American Rejects...yes they will be remembered. They have been played on CHR, the way Creedence Clearwater, Boston , Zepplin, Poison, was played. The problem with bands like the White Stripes, or the Screaming Trees, the average listener or music lover won't remember or ever heard of their music, because they only managed to chart on Active Rock, College, or anything that is subsidiary. They may get 15 minutes of fame...but that's it. If your not heard on the CHR or Hot AC, you will be forgotten or your not a hit band, with exception to your own cult or genre. It could be in your college, nightclub, or heavy party days for a few years, but most people if they want to be successful or have a family, will grow of that. But the mass appeal of their success is not there, and you will be forgotten like The Dead Kennedys, or The Stranglers.
Motley Crue or Guns N' Roses who came out with a CD a few years ago.... can anyone unless your a true devoted fan of these bands name a hit or familiar song off their last CD's? 98% at least NO.
Will they be familiar or name at least a couple tunes they recorded back in the 80's -early 90's....98% YES.
Active Rock seems to mean , too old to quit, and too young to retire. I'm doing this as hobby then trying to be successful for everyone.
M
Mid West Clubber
Guest
I can get that 100.3 The Sound at my house in central indiana, though faintly,, where is this station from?
LOL, Clubber, 100.3 The Sound is in L.A. you clown 
Starbucks, you're plain and simple wrong.
Modern English "I Melt With You" wasn't a major hit in the 80s yet in the 90s it became a huge 80s hit on many CHRs, especially dring their retro lunch hour. And I guarantee you that a lot more people than you think know of "Seven Nation Army" by the White Stripes.
There's also a lot of non-Rock artists and bands that got significant airplay on CHR radio yet no one plays them anymore (Another Bad Creation, Tiffany, Sheena Easton, etc.)
Zepplin and Credence got their credence via Rock radio, never b/c they were played on Top 40 radio. In fact, a lot of the biggest selling tours in the country don't belong to artists that are current receiving airplay support on Top 40 radio
http://www.billboard.com/events/hot...tiesto-scorpions-1004110251.story?tag=nextart
Superstar DJ Tiesto's never gtten support from Top 40 radio in the US, nor Brad Paisley, or Aventura. And when's the last time you heard Top 40 radio play Neil Young or The Scorpions? It's been ages. Or how about AC/DC, George Strait, Trans Siberia Orchestra, Andre Rieu, etc.
http://www.billboard.com/events/eve...op-midyear-tours-amid-1004104778.story?page=2
What about all the Rock stations doing mandatory Metallica? The group never had a major Top 40 hit although several of their songs were heavily played n MTV back in the day. "One" barely cracked the Top 40 in 1989 and was played by relatively few CHRs at the time (such as Z-95 Chicago). Their black album, their most successful to date, was a big commercial success, and "Enter Sandman", "The Unforgiven", and "Nothing Else Matters" did well on MTV, but most CHRs ignored them.
Def Lepard? CHR mainly took note of them in 1988-1989 following the release of 1987's Hysteria , even though their previous album from 5 years earlier, Pyromania, was also very successful.
Someone mentioned Aerosmith's "Rag Doll", which was all over MTV in the summer of 1988, but was only a Top 20 hit nationally. Many of the major market CHRs (Z100 and Power 95 NYC, 102.7 KIIS FM L.A., Eagle 106 Philadelphia) didn't play it On the other hand, just about every CHR in the country heavly played the ballad "Angel" from that same album.
Instead of bringing up Night Ranger, I'm surprised you guys aren't bringing up Bon Jovi or Survivor. "Eye of the Tiger" is synonymous with the launch of stations like 93 Q Houston and Z-100 New York, and later hits by Survivor like "The Search Is Over" typified the mid 80s Rock ballads that were all the rage in the Midwest.
Rock critics were never particularly impressed with Bon Jovi, but they almost single-handedly took Hard Rock to new heights on the Pop charts via exposure on MTV and massive Top 40 radio support. It suddenly became cool for teenage girls to listen to bands like Guns N Roses and Skid Row. Even Ozzy Osbourne was suddenly on the Pop charts with "Close My Eyes Forever", which he sang with Lita Ford.
BTW, there are some great bands that have come out in the past decade such as Coldplay, Muse, The Fray, and My Chemical Romance. Whether CHR chooses to acknowledge them or not depends on what records appeal to the CHR core audience at a particular point in time.
Starbucks, you're plain and simple wrong.
Modern English "I Melt With You" wasn't a major hit in the 80s yet in the 90s it became a huge 80s hit on many CHRs, especially dring their retro lunch hour. And I guarantee you that a lot more people than you think know of "Seven Nation Army" by the White Stripes.
There's also a lot of non-Rock artists and bands that got significant airplay on CHR radio yet no one plays them anymore (Another Bad Creation, Tiffany, Sheena Easton, etc.)
Zepplin and Credence got their credence via Rock radio, never b/c they were played on Top 40 radio. In fact, a lot of the biggest selling tours in the country don't belong to artists that are current receiving airplay support on Top 40 radio
http://www.billboard.com/events/hot...tiesto-scorpions-1004110251.story?tag=nextart
Superstar DJ Tiesto's never gtten support from Top 40 radio in the US, nor Brad Paisley, or Aventura. And when's the last time you heard Top 40 radio play Neil Young or The Scorpions? It's been ages. Or how about AC/DC, George Strait, Trans Siberia Orchestra, Andre Rieu, etc.
http://www.billboard.com/events/eve...op-midyear-tours-amid-1004104778.story?page=2
What about all the Rock stations doing mandatory Metallica? The group never had a major Top 40 hit although several of their songs were heavily played n MTV back in the day. "One" barely cracked the Top 40 in 1989 and was played by relatively few CHRs at the time (such as Z-95 Chicago). Their black album, their most successful to date, was a big commercial success, and "Enter Sandman", "The Unforgiven", and "Nothing Else Matters" did well on MTV, but most CHRs ignored them.
Def Lepard? CHR mainly took note of them in 1988-1989 following the release of 1987's Hysteria , even though their previous album from 5 years earlier, Pyromania, was also very successful.
Someone mentioned Aerosmith's "Rag Doll", which was all over MTV in the summer of 1988, but was only a Top 20 hit nationally. Many of the major market CHRs (Z100 and Power 95 NYC, 102.7 KIIS FM L.A., Eagle 106 Philadelphia) didn't play it On the other hand, just about every CHR in the country heavly played the ballad "Angel" from that same album.
Instead of bringing up Night Ranger, I'm surprised you guys aren't bringing up Bon Jovi or Survivor. "Eye of the Tiger" is synonymous with the launch of stations like 93 Q Houston and Z-100 New York, and later hits by Survivor like "The Search Is Over" typified the mid 80s Rock ballads that were all the rage in the Midwest.
Rock critics were never particularly impressed with Bon Jovi, but they almost single-handedly took Hard Rock to new heights on the Pop charts via exposure on MTV and massive Top 40 radio support. It suddenly became cool for teenage girls to listen to bands like Guns N Roses and Skid Row. Even Ozzy Osbourne was suddenly on the Pop charts with "Close My Eyes Forever", which he sang with Lita Ford.
BTW, there are some great bands that have come out in the past decade such as Coldplay, Muse, The Fray, and My Chemical Romance. Whether CHR chooses to acknowledge them or not depends on what records appeal to the CHR core audience at a particular point in time.
Starbucks, you're plain and simple wrong.
Modern English "I Melt With You" wasn't a major hit in the 80s yet in the 90s it became a huge 80s hit on many CHRs, especially dring their retro lunch hour. And I guarantee you that a lot more people than you think know of "Seven Nation Army" by the White Stripes.
There's also a lot of non-Rock artists and bands that got significant airplay on CHR radio yet no one plays them anymore (Another Bad Creation, Tiffany, Sheena Easton, etc.)
Modern English received alot of airplay or air promo when it first released. It mid charted, and yes it wasn't a statistcal hit...it was a song that received a lot of airplay, but didn't sell accordingly to the air play it received. Yes it became more popular and it was re-recorded the second time in the 90's, but the original continued to receive the most airplay. Releases like this give artist breakthrough notoriety even if the song didn't hit top 10 the first time. U2 come out with New Year's Day on CHR the same time. I was in radio so I remembered. It received airplay like a top 10 record, but mid charted. In those days ..top 40 stations didn't play it as safe, and if a station felt like this was the next big thing...it gave it airplay push and didin't wait for it to bullet up the chart. U2 was only a mid charter, but gave the band notoriety that it needed. So the next release the public was more familiar on buying their product if it was well received.
Zepplin and Credence got their credence via Rock radio, never b/c they were played on Top 40 radio. In fact, a lot of the biggest selling tours in the country don't belong to artists that are current receiving airplay support on Top 40 radio
There are artists that make it to the chart due to their concert and LP performances , crossover to CHR airplay due to overwhelming response. Selling tours are successful today because of fragment programming over the years or a group like the Stones who had enough success on the charts, they don't need another hit to sell out. But a hit is a hit. Not the whole listening audiences go to concerts.
Superstar DJ Tiesto's never gtten support from Top 40 radio in the US, nor Brad Paisley, or Aventura. It's been ages. Or how about AC/DC, George Strait, Trans Siberia Orchestra, Andre Rieu, etc.
WhoTF are most of them? You sound like a purist to me. Were talking CHR right? AC/DC received some CHR airplay with Shook Me All Night Long. It was a near hit as far as CHR airplay. It's like a triple A ball player....A star ballplayer gets hurt, a rookie player gets brought up....he makes a big splash for a few games until the pitchers get his number, then gets sent down again, never to be heard from again with that ball club, or league period. It got it's share of some sort from Medium Market CHR's that could take more chances with... but AOR was already well established , and that was their primary listening audience. If you asked the average CHR listener who is not avid AC/DC listener...he'll probably name that song as well as Highway to Hell from the top of his mind that he might be familiar with. Everything else would be nil. Brad Paisley or back in the 80's when T.G Shepard and Mickey Gilley was crossing over...alot of the support comes from CHR stations in the south, southwest where they are easily accepted. Especially during the Urban Cowboy days. That's how they charted on CHR. Most stations up north or east ....hesitated unless they were overwhelmed by it's sales and research. As far as the other artist?....eithier your tuning to CHR overseas or another planet. Trans Siberia (LOL)
What about all the Rock stations doing mandatory Metallica? The group never had a major Top 40 hit although several of their songs were heavily played n MTV back in the day. "One" barely cracked the Top 40 in 1989 and was played by relatively few CHRs at the time (such as Z-95 Chicago).
By then , things splintered...certain artist didn't need airplay, and CHR ignored them because by then it was based on marketing and targeted audiences. Even certain pop or veteran rock artist were ignored. The Stone's last hit single which was top 10 was ignored in the market I was in when it was released. I can't explain it. But it's still a hit to most people in America due to CHR airplay. Metallica isn't, unless your an avid Metallica concert fan.
Rock critics were never particularly impressed with Bon Jovi, but they almost single-handedly took Hard Rock to new heights on the Pop charts via exposure on MTV and massive Top 40 radio support.
So good for them. Certain artist get their notoriety from airplay in smaller markets, to video plays (That's why you have the VMA's not due or based on airplay.) sub-genre formats, clubs, and concerts. But it all builds or developes of making a hit where the get mainstream airplay exposure. Which makes it accepted by mostly everybody. Which means a hits a hit.
Modern English "I Melt With You" wasn't a major hit in the 80s yet in the 90s it became a huge 80s hit on many CHRs, especially dring their retro lunch hour. And I guarantee you that a lot more people than you think know of "Seven Nation Army" by the White Stripes.
There's also a lot of non-Rock artists and bands that got significant airplay on CHR radio yet no one plays them anymore (Another Bad Creation, Tiffany, Sheena Easton, etc.)
Modern English received alot of airplay or air promo when it first released. It mid charted, and yes it wasn't a statistcal hit...it was a song that received a lot of airplay, but didn't sell accordingly to the air play it received. Yes it became more popular and it was re-recorded the second time in the 90's, but the original continued to receive the most airplay. Releases like this give artist breakthrough notoriety even if the song didn't hit top 10 the first time. U2 come out with New Year's Day on CHR the same time. I was in radio so I remembered. It received airplay like a top 10 record, but mid charted. In those days ..top 40 stations didn't play it as safe, and if a station felt like this was the next big thing...it gave it airplay push and didin't wait for it to bullet up the chart. U2 was only a mid charter, but gave the band notoriety that it needed. So the next release the public was more familiar on buying their product if it was well received.
Zepplin and Credence got their credence via Rock radio, never b/c they were played on Top 40 radio. In fact, a lot of the biggest selling tours in the country don't belong to artists that are current receiving airplay support on Top 40 radio
There are artists that make it to the chart due to their concert and LP performances , crossover to CHR airplay due to overwhelming response. Selling tours are successful today because of fragment programming over the years or a group like the Stones who had enough success on the charts, they don't need another hit to sell out. But a hit is a hit. Not the whole listening audiences go to concerts.
Superstar DJ Tiesto's never gtten support from Top 40 radio in the US, nor Brad Paisley, or Aventura. It's been ages. Or how about AC/DC, George Strait, Trans Siberia Orchestra, Andre Rieu, etc.
WhoTF are most of them? You sound like a purist to me. Were talking CHR right? AC/DC received some CHR airplay with Shook Me All Night Long. It was a near hit as far as CHR airplay. It's like a triple A ball player....A star ballplayer gets hurt, a rookie player gets brought up....he makes a big splash for a few games until the pitchers get his number, then gets sent down again, never to be heard from again with that ball club, or league period. It got it's share of some sort from Medium Market CHR's that could take more chances with... but AOR was already well established , and that was their primary listening audience. If you asked the average CHR listener who is not avid AC/DC listener...he'll probably name that song as well as Highway to Hell from the top of his mind that he might be familiar with. Everything else would be nil. Brad Paisley or back in the 80's when T.G Shepard and Mickey Gilley was crossing over...alot of the support comes from CHR stations in the south, southwest where they are easily accepted. Especially during the Urban Cowboy days. That's how they charted on CHR. Most stations up north or east ....hesitated unless they were overwhelmed by it's sales and research. As far as the other artist?....eithier your tuning to CHR overseas or another planet. Trans Siberia (LOL)
What about all the Rock stations doing mandatory Metallica? The group never had a major Top 40 hit although several of their songs were heavily played n MTV back in the day. "One" barely cracked the Top 40 in 1989 and was played by relatively few CHRs at the time (such as Z-95 Chicago).
By then , things splintered...certain artist didn't need airplay, and CHR ignored them because by then it was based on marketing and targeted audiences. Even certain pop or veteran rock artist were ignored. The Stone's last hit single which was top 10 was ignored in the market I was in when it was released. I can't explain it. But it's still a hit to most people in America due to CHR airplay. Metallica isn't, unless your an avid Metallica concert fan.
Rock critics were never particularly impressed with Bon Jovi, but they almost single-handedly took Hard Rock to new heights on the Pop charts via exposure on MTV and massive Top 40 radio support.
So good for them. Certain artist get their notoriety from airplay in smaller markets, to video plays (That's why you have the VMA's not due or based on airplay.) sub-genre formats, clubs, and concerts. But it all builds or developes of making a hit where the get mainstream airplay exposure. Which makes it accepted by mostly everybody. Which means a hits a hit.
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