Where Is Apple's New HD Radio iTunes Tagging iPod Dock?

[vsa]

I watched Steve Jobs do his Macworld 2008 presentation today. I kept looking for it, but I missed it. Where is Apple's highly anticipated by the radio industry new HD radio iTunes tagging iPod docking station? Steve mentiond HD, but only in reference to video, not radio. Did anybody see Steve Jobs gushing over HD radio or even iTunes tagging on any kind of Apple or partnered product?

http://gormanmediablog.blogspot.com/2008/01/radio-gossip-churl.html

 

[vsa]

Update:

"...at the MacWorld convo, Steve Jobs let it be known that Apple will not be involved in any technologies that are geographically limited..."

http://gormanmediablog.blogspot.com/2008/01/radio-get-that-man-intervention-fast.html

 

[hipporadio]

Does ANYONE really believe that the savvy Mr. Jobs even cares a flip about terrestrial HD radio? GET REAL! The HD cheerleaders come to this forum and squawk like trained parrots about the “Apple-HD connection”...GIVE ME A BREAK! If anything, this so-called “relationship” is ONE-SIDED at best, and is illustrative of the HD Cadre’s fascination with ANY piece of news that may be twisted to suite their fantasy.

EARTH to space station – Apple’s Mr. Jobs could CARE LESS about your science-fair project! His CURRENT domain is MUCH larger and MORE significant than your small intoxicated minds could imagine!

HD radio will only survive on its merits [and I CAN'T find them] – and the general public also observes - there are NEARLY-NONE!

 

[rbrucecarter5]

Even if the public did care - the tagging will only work as well as the people inputting data to the system. With low HD radio sales, iTunes sales from HD play will be very small. Will it pay the labor to enter the data, or even develop the software to do it automatically?

 

[clouseau]

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the tagging will only work as well as the people inputting data to the system. With low HD radio sales, iTunes sales from HD play will be very small. Will it pay the labor to enter the data, or even develop the software to do it automatically?

Good Point there. After all, It's not like every song in a digital Hard Drive database has coding with song title and artist already, right. ??

Definitely a losing proposition. Same with that whole "broadcasting music" thing on Analog radio. I mean, do you really think they will actually pay someone to record in all those songs and create a music log? Or bother to schedule the traffic and audio files into the automation? Heck no, it won't be worth it...

Not to mention all that rent for the studio and electricity. Yeah, you've nailed it.

I'll have to do a "brb" cuz I need to get down to the office and stop that eliectricity waste.
We're going off the air now. Man you folks are so insightful...
</rant>

I am beginning to think we SHOULD ban HD radio. It's existance obviously causes insanity in people that don't like it. Have you ever been to a Best Buy and looked for a CD? Ever found Madonna under "J"? I Have.

Maybe we should stop selling CD's because they are sometimes misfiled?

I give up. Great take, guys. You know it all.

Clouseau

 

[SUPERCASTER]

Take a closer look at iPod/HD radio "tune tagging".

Assuming someone, somewhere, decides to buy and HD radio dock for their iPod, and has "tagged" some iTunes for download. Since HD radio is strictly a one way "station to listener" delivery system and not able to deliver "on demand", the only way to deliver the tagged tunes request list to iTunes for download is to reconnect the iPod to a computer (or by the HD supporters worst nightmare, dreaded WiFi).

Why not just listen to the internet streaming version of the station, where often tunes are already tagged, press the "tag" or "download" button right there on the screen of the MP3 streaming players display, and instantly download the tunes directly to your computer connected iPod?

No HD radio, antennas, docking station, or HD supporter additional nonsense and expense is necessary.

iPod tagging could even be done directly to the now "wireless" WiFi iPod by (dare I say it again?) WiFi!

iPod tune tagging via HD Radio is just another mythical solution to a problem that does not exist. A solution no one (except a few stick owners) need or want. Just as is HD Radio.

 

[LinoNYC]

The HD cheerleaders come to this forum and squawk like trained parrots

That does it! You must live on Manasota Key!...and pay a hefty malpractice premium.

Lino

 

[Tom Wells]

Who even needs tagging? Stream the audio on realplayer, etc., output to CD or computer recorder in analog, pause, backup or whatever,
move the slider to song start, start recorder, hit play, record your song and then let the stream run till the next song you want.
Just a different way of airchecking. What if you want to save a funny bit the DJ does? Bet ya can't tag that stuff.
Downloading offers no opportunity to enhance the incoming audio, except after the fact in digital. Recording from stream into analog offers
many more processing choices in real-time. The good thing about streaming audio is it's like getting radio to hold still
so you can take a good portrait.


Ipods are far too limiting in capabilites. I'd rather have a file with a DJ talk-up voice-over than most of the crappy mp3 downloads I've heard. How in the world can you tweak something that loads direct to an Ipod?
It's like having your hands tied behind your back and having to move stuff around like a seal, using your nose to point and click.

 

[Kyle D]

The HD cheerleaders come to this forum and squawk like trained parrots

That does it! You must live on Manasota Key!...and pay a hefty malpractice premium.

Lino

You guys come on here with your nice little quips and shots, yet not one of you has addressed the question at hand here.

A few weeks back the "pro-HD" crowd talked about the "HD iPod docking station" and how this was going to bring HD to the front of the line. Just wait until MacWorld!

Well, it's come and gone. No HD iPod docking station anywhere in sight. Where did you guys get this great information?

I'm not here to pick a fight, but why can't you just admit that you got bad info and move on instead of insulting people and trying to be witty?

 

[SUPERCASTER]

As Tom Wells said:

Who even needs (iPod) tagging?

and

Just a different way of airchecking. What if you want to save a funny bit the DJ does? Bet ya can't tag that stuff.

Excessive corporate greed generally does not allow "funny bit(s) the DJ does." Talent costs money and gives the "hired hands" negotiating power. (Just Google "writer's union strike").

Very early NBC network rules did not allow announcers to identify themselves except by their initials, so they would not become "talent" and have negotiating power. Sarnoff eventually caved in to popular demand and allowed announcers to use their names on the air. CBS valued the talent of it's announcers and made them an integral part of their programs.

Sorry, Charlie. Corporate does not want tuna with good taste, but tuna that tastes good.

 

[SUPERCASTER]

As Kyle D said:

You guys come on here with your nice little quips and shots, yet not one of you has addressed the question at hand here.

A few weeks back the "pro-HD" crowd talked about the "HD iPod docking station" and how this was going to bring HD to the front of the line. Just wait until MacWorld!

Well, it's come and gone. No HD iPod docking station anywhere in sight. Where did you guys get this great information?

I'm not here to pick a fight, but why can't you just admit that you got bad info and move on instead of insulting people and trying to be witty?

According to the HD Radio supporters only what they call the "anti-HD" crowd has bad information, malicious evil intent, hidden agendas, secret subversive alliances, etc., etc. Only the righteous HD promoters have the secret snake oil alchemy to "save radio" and deliver it to the promised land.

HD Radio is about nothing, if not deception.

 

[clouseau]

As Kyle D said:

You guys come on here with your nice little quips and shots, yet not one of you has addressed the question at hand here.

A few weeks back the "pro-HD" crowd talked about the "HD iPod docking station" and how this was going to bring HD to the front of the line. Just wait until MacWorld!

Well, it's come and gone. No HD iPod docking station anywhere in sight. Where did you guys get this great information?

I'm not here to pick a fight, but why can't you just admit that you got bad info and move on instead of insulting people and trying to be witty?

Good point. I don't recall the "Just wait for MacWorld" thing. Just the "This device is in development." I may be wrong, but I honestly do not recall anything about Macworld.

Basically what happened was posted as a comment on Gorman's blog. Here's the link. http://gormanmediablog.blogspot.com/2008/01/radio-get-that-man-intervention-fast.html#c5015561681446305492

HD Radio is about nothing, if not deception.

Nah. HD radio is also about black helicopters and radio waves directed at special chips imbedded in you brain.

Clouseau

 

[SUPERCASTER]

The only ones proposing "black helicopters" and "special chips" are the rabid HD radio promoters. The rest of us have no desire or need for such expensive, specialized, exotic HD radio reception equipment.

 

[R.F. Burns]

The only ones proposing "black helicopters" and "special chips" are the rabid HD radio promoters. The rest of us have no desire or need for such expensive, specialized, exotic HD radio reception equipment.

"Rabid" ?

1. irrationally extreme in opinion or practice: a rabid isolationist; a rabid baseball fan.
2. furious or raging; violently intense: a rabid hunger.
3. affected with or pertaining to rabies; mad.


This is the HD radio board. I wouldn't say that its an extreme position to want to talk about HD radio on a board created to discuss HD radio. Maybe, rather than your name calling here, you'd benifit from a course in English language word useage.

 

[SUPERCASTER]

Have you actually read the definitions you posted?
Apparently not.

From your own definitions rabid accurately applies to all HD promoters preaching HD Radio as the ultimate (magic snake oil) salvation for radio.

1. irrationally extreme in opinion or practice: such as- a rabid HD Radio Salvationist; a rabid HD Radio fanatic.
Accurate!

2. furious or raging; violently intense: such as- a rabid personal attacker or zealous personal critic of anyone opposing or questioning the HD promoter's absolute blind faith in HD Radio as the ultimate solution for radio broadcasting's problems.
Accurate, again!

100% accurate on both counts.

 

[LinoNYC]

Have you actually read the definitions you posted?
Apparently not.

From your own definitions rabid accurately applies to all HD promoters preaching HD Radio as the ultimate (magic snake oil) salvation for radio.

1. irrationally extreme in opinion or practice: such as- a rabid HD Radio Salvationist; a rabid HD Radio fanatic.
Accurate!

2. furious or raging; violently intense: such as- a rabid personal attacker or zealous personal critic of anyone opposing or questioning the HD promoter's absolute blind faith in HD Radio as the ultimate solution for radio broadcasting's problems.
Accurate, again!

100% accurate on both counts.

Those definitions more aptly point to you, that flatulent "doctor" from the Swindler State and his alter-ego the hippo.

While all of you are constant in wailing and railing against this system and attacking anyone daring to voice approval of it, you've never presented a commercially viable alternative to it.

Atleast go back to the cut and paste responses, it was fun keeping track.

Lino

 

[SUPERCASTER]

R.F. Burns said:

Maybe, rather than your name calling here, you'd benifit from a course in English language word useage.

and

This is the HD radio board. I wouldn't say that its an extreme position to want to talk about HD radio on a board created to discuss HD radio.

HD Radio promoters have continuously attacked any attempts made to "discuss HD Radio." HD radio promoters should be taking their own inventory.

synonyms- discuss argue debate mean to discourse about in order to reach conclusions or to convince. discuss implies a sifting of possibilities especially by presenting considerations pro and con <discussed the need for a new highway>. argue implies the offering of reasons or evidence in support of convictions already held <argued that the project would be too costly>. debate suggests formal or public argument between opposing parties <debated the merits of the amendment>; it may also apply to deliberation with oneself <I'm debating whether I should go>.

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/discuss

synonyms- vicious villainous iniquitous nefarious corrupt degenerate mean highly reprehensible or offensive in character, nature, or conduct. vicious may directly oppose virtuous in implying moral depravity, or may connote malignancy, cruelty, or destructive violence <a vicious gangster>. villainous applies to any evil, depraved, or vile conduct or characteristic <a villainous assault>. iniquitous implies absence of all signs of justice or fairness <an iniquitous system of taxation>. nefarious suggests flagrant breaching of time-honored laws and traditions of conduct <the nefarious rackets of organized crime>. corrupt stresses a loss of moral integrity or probity causing betrayal of principle or sworn obligations <city hall was rife with corrupt politicians>. degenerate suggests having sunk to an especially vicious or enervated condition <a degenerate regime propped up by foreign powers>.

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/viciously

 

[SUPERCASTER]

Have you actually read the definitions you posted?
Apparently not.

From your own definitions rabid accurately applies to all HD promoters preaching HD Radio as the ultimate (magic snake oil) salvation for radio.

1. irrationally extreme in opinion or practice: such as- a rabid HD Radio Salvationist; a rabid HD Radio fanatic.
Accurate!

2. furious or raging; violently intense: such as- a rabid personal attacker or zealous personal critic of anyone opposing or questioning the HD promoter's absolute blind faith in HD Radio as the ultimate solution for radio broadcasting's problems.
Accurate, again!

100% accurate on both counts.

Those definitions more aptly point to you, that flatulent "doctor" from the Swindler State and his alter-ego the hippo.

While all of you are constant in wailing and railing against this system and attacking anyone daring to voice approval of it, you've never presented a commercially viable alternative to it.

Atleast go back to the cut and paste responses, it was fun keeping track.

Lino

More personal attacks from the HD Radio promotions gang.

All evidence to date points to HD Radio NOT being a "commercially viable alternative". The year 2008 marks the 5th annual HD Radio "rollout", and shows even less promise of widespread public acceptance.

 

[R.F. Burns]

And for alll you whining about this so called "failed" technology, HD continues to enjoy success as it slowly grows. I really wish a board could be created for those who have nothing but negative things to say about HD radio to vent. I'll bet they'd get tired quickly when there was no one to disagree with them. I can't imagine there would be a bandwidth issue. Wouldn't it be great if like a wall the two sides could be seperated so that for those of us interested in this technology we don't have to wade through page after page of posts from people with a agenda.

 

[Chuck]

And for alll you whining about this so called "failed" technology, HD continues to enjoy success as it slowly grows. I really wish a board could be created for those who have nothing but negative things to say about HD radio to vent. I'll bet they'd get tired quickly when there was no one to disagree with them. I can't imagine there would be a bandwidth issue. Wouldn't it be great if like a wall the two sides could be seperated so that for those of us interested in this technology we don't have to wade through page after page of posts from people with a agenda.

No need to do that RF, most of the general public simply doesn't care... You don't see them posting here, do you?