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OldiesCat

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So, ladies and gentlemen- was it not around a year or so ago we heard all the predictions about how successful Kool 100.7 would be?

Guess all the rats have jumped the rah-rah Renda ship!

;)
 
Oldies Cat, It's nice to see you back in the Jax board. Little seems to happen here but I suppose this is big news and that's no doubt brought people from all over to our little corner of the world.

I don't think you can fault Mburg or anyone else for that matter for rooting for the underdog. The Renda operation is as close to mom and pop as you can get and in this day of corporate giants socking it to the little guy, there's always going to be those in the little guy camp. Nothing wrong with that.

I'm hearing how many people are surprised by all of this and I'm not surprised at all. The handwriting was on the wall for way too long. About the only thing that was surprsing was how long Renda Broadcasting took to fix the problems.

The bottom line is many of the problems should never have occurred in the first place. But as has been discussed to death on this board is the fact that they blew opportunity after opportunity to position themselves and give the station an identity.

Here's what my gut is telling me. When Cox abandoned oldies, Renda saw what they thought was a quick fix to do something with Arrow. It would almost appear that they thought playing a lot of the same music Cool 96.9 played would somehow get a good portion of those listeners to find them and stay with them. Very naive. It was doomed from the start. With virtually no promotional/marketing budget, automated the majority of the time, a half-ass mixing of way too many styles of music and the lack of good quality syndicated programming, they certainly earned the basement ratings they got.

And they certainly didn't antipcate just how successful Eagle would become. While no one was expecting a lower-power station to be a significant challenger - they still had the opportunity to do better than they performed.

But on the cheap, you get what you get. And for those who say the format is dead, I half-agree. The way oldies stations were programmed a few years ago is no more but they have evolved and I've heard some good examples of that around the country. That was not the case in Jax.

Once the old GM was gone and all that appeared to happen was a slight tightening of the playlist, it was obvious a flip was in the future.

But you have to say this. This time, they made sure the execution was flawless and the overall sound of the station shows consistency. I'm certain they will fare better with this Movin' thing than where they were and Gary Spurgeon at the helm is a plus too.

I have a lot of very fond memories of WKQL and the great talent of yesteryear who graced its' microphones. It's time to finally move on. I can only hope that when people recall WKQL in the future that they remember just how great the station was and not what was allowed to happen to her over the past couple of years.
 
JohnJax, I concur w/everything you said EXCEPT for your comment about Mr. Spurgeon. He has become Murphy's axe man. He's fired Tom twice in the last 2 years. How does he sleep at night? Please don't tell me "he's only doing his job." If I were Gary, I'd find another one... unless, or course he gets off on it, then he needs more than another job.

I feel certain that Tom Murphy will get yet another gig here in the Big River City. He has graced the air waves for 35 years, and 26 of those years right here in Jax.

Bless him, and you!
 
Yes, Radio Widow, in my quest to try and be as brief as possible under the circumstances I forgot to mention Tom Murphy.

I have tons of respect for the guy mainly because he's real and he comes across the air that way. For my cudos to Gary, it had more to do with his overall abilities and skills as a GM. He has to answer to ratings and revenue and certainly the current environment was not working.

I get the feeling that Tom's time at KOOL was tough for him. I could envision him at Sunny or even Lite 96.1. But if he's been severed from them totally as I suspect he is, he is in the same boat as a lof of other great talent from the Jax market. That's the part I hate the most - seeing good people on the sidelines.

Tom, I wish you the best! As I often say, I don't know how many of you in the biz continuoulsy put up with all of this. I couldn't.
 
Geez I finally thought that Oldies had bit the big one.
Just kidding

Finally Renda is doing things right. THe station came on the air sounding tight and there will be a marketing campaign kicking off today. The station will always fight some signal problems but streaming has the potentital to help.

Radio Widow, are you Tom's other half or just a groupie.
Nobody likes to fire people but radio is a business and neither Tom nor the Arf fit with the new format. The station now has potentail to make money!! Both guys are true professioanls and I hope will find work in the area.

Oldies,

WGNE 4 books with solid growth , though I imagine summer will be down. Revenue is increasing monthly. Sounds like a winner to me.
 
WGNE

wcrzx said:
Oldies,

WGNE 4 books with solid growth , though I imagine summer will be down. Revenue is increasing monthly. Sounds like a winner to me.

Solid growth? They hit a two-month peak in April and May (y'know, 25-54, the only really important adult demo). They've gone from 8th to 13th 25-54 and last month they had under a 2 share 25-54.

Pretty powerful, man.
 
Oldies Cat said:
So, ladies and gentlemen- was it not around a year or so ago we heard all the predictions about how successful Kool 100.7 would be?

Guess all the rats have jumped the rah-rah Renda ship!

;)

Oldies Cat......take a look again who it is.....I had to change my user name because when they switch the server somehow something got messed up with my account. Anyways I jumped the ship when I noticed certain things were just not changing......I will take back about saying Kool would be successful....I did not know how much of a problem was going on behind Kool.........I learned just months before this flip that the station had no chance at all.....the Arbitron's were showing the fact that Kool never got the listners it should have......I believe they may have had a 2 or something like that for the first book as Kool but after that....well we all know......eventually leading to this flip to MOViN. Something really tells me that when the latest book comes out at the end of the month there is going to be some distrubing numbers esp for the Kool....something tells me they may have sliped under a 1 and that signinaled the flip.

Anyways this MOViN sounds very well prepared the sweepers and jingles are exactly what a station like this needs and that I would expect this station to take off and compete with WAPE and WFKS......even though this is Rhythmic AC it could cause some damage to APE and Kiss. And yes I see they are promoting the station....If you click on the live stream at www.movin1007fm.com the new TV ad will pop up before connecting you to the live stream.....the commerical is very well designed and i believe it will draw listners in. I think this station could easily draw a 3 or 4 share. Well later on.
 
Oldies,

They have grown ever book since they moved to Jax. The summer book will be down but i guess the real barometer is revenue and from what I hear they are doing well. The power ratio is not whee it should be but it is a station on the move.

As for Movin, they are finally doing something right.
 
WGNE GROWTH?

wcrzx said:
Oldies,

They have grown ever book since they moved to Jax.

Well, I can't argue with that logic (from you, being, "well, I don't care what the ratings say. I say they're growing").

OK, whatever.
 
Movin will do better than Kool because it's already being marketed but TR will get tired of throwing money at a format that's being done already and the other two companies in Jacksonville have alot deeper pockets. It's been proven over and over again Renda is a homeless man compared to the other players in town.
 
I, for one, am glad Gator didn't switch to anything because we might have actually lost Mburg --- broncos. Sorry to hear about
your lose on Kool --- mburg. You should always be dancin'!
 
alcapone said:
Movin will do better than Kool because it's already being marketed but TR will get tired of throwing money at a format that's being done already and the other two companies in Jacksonville have alot deeper pockets. It's been proven over and over again Renda is a homeless man compared to the other players in town.

What station is playing the Movin format in Jax? Nobody
 
Just remember...

MOVIN' ISN'T PROVIN'!

Do you recall all the noise about Jack stations when they first hit the air?

Don't be a freakin' sheep.
 
MOVIN GROOVIN HOOFIN ..whatever you want to call it .. it's urban ...it's a name a radio insultant came up with while doing some good crack
 
A freakin' sheep is one who only believes in a format that has a proven track record, because, he/she/it is to unsure of his/her/it's
identity and image to risk anything by taking a freakin' chance...I understand --- radio is all about NOT A DAMN NEW OR DIFFERENT
idea, even in a tiny difference. Brilliance at levels like this "nothing new works or is proven" mindset is why radio is going the way
of Ross Perot and the typewriter. Maybe you can consider a job at something proven like McDonalds or Walmart. That's tried
and true...look at all the sheep in line. Hey, it probably pays better and has really great benefits.
 
RadioInsultant said:
Just remember...

MOVIN' ISN'T PROVIN'!

Do you recall all the noise about Jack stations when they first hit the air?

Don't be a freakin' sheep.

In Seattle it went form 16 to 6 in two books in its core demo of W 25-49
 
wcrzx said:
RadioInsultant said:
Just remember...

MOVIN' ISN'T PROVIN'!

Do you recall all the noise about Jack stations when they first hit the air?

Don't be a freakin' sheep.

In Seattle it went form 16 to 6 in two books in its core demo of W 25-49
Irrelevant because your Market is on the opposite end of the opposite coast!

'Cane
 
The point being, just because something works in one market doesn't mean it'll work just as well in another. There are a LOT of variables such as ethnic make-up, competitors, regional differences, etc.

When I refer to sheep, I am refering to those that jump on the bandwagon prematurely.

In the case of Movin', don't you believe that it's possible that the listeners may now perceive that there just may be too many Jax stations that have a very similar sound? The pie just gets smaller and smaller.
 
I agree with you Radio to a certain extent...I think the key is how Renda will respond to listener feedback, etc.... I definitely dont fault them for trying....I hear songs now, good songs, that havent been heard on the Radio in Jax in a while......It has a chance to be successful, but successful here doesnt necessarily mean the same numbers that Seattle got.......Good luck to them.......I like it so far!
 
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