Where is the Center

[flybynight]

You obviously missed out on a few ass whippings along the way. Now the name calling chest has been completely opened up, but when you don't have an argument that is what you have to do I guess. I am now a "redneck", "racist", "stubborn", "ignorant", "no brains", "little girl", and many other things. It may be a Radio Discussions record for the most name calling in one post. Every time you open your mouth, I feel like I am back in third grade on the playground, just like I feel when most flaming liberals open their mouths.

In the same post, you call me a liberal and "conservaboy" - so which is it as it can't be both. I think your little brain got confused and couldn't keep up with your fingers. Keep hiding behind a screen name tough guy, and keep drinking the liberal Kool Aid, at least until we go bankrupt and there is no more Kool Aid for you.

Last I checked, the liberals are getting trashed by the exact same America you claim finds my conservative views "repulsive". So go back to your name calling chest and find some more names to call me, and do your level best to not pee your pants while you do.

You sound so desperate, with all your robotic talking points. lol

I do feel bad for you in a way. It must be difficult to constantly be on the wrong end of public sentiment. Maybe you should just spend your remaining years in your shelter with your gold and food backpacks.

 

[vchimpanzee]

I have similar issues on my facebook news feed, where far too many of my friends and relatives only seem to post either pictures of cute kittens, often with captions in baby talk, or else greeting-card graphics of angels.

I don't even look at my feed. I go to the pages of each person every week or so. Of course, I have to scroll through entriely too much of that. Not that much political discussion these days but there are occasional rants.

 

[Avid Listener]

Please stop the name calling and focus on the original subject.

And once again I ask, please explain what you mean by "name calling". Speaking for myself, I want to abide by the rules, but if they are vague and you refuse to explain what they mean, that makes following them difficult.

 

[Avid Listener]

And once again, I repeat this piece of truth. Corporations never really pay ANY taxes. They increase the cost of their goods and services to raise the revenue to handle their tax burden. Ultimately, those of us who are their customers, directly or indirectly, are the ones who pay all taxes.

 

[JeffM]

And this thread was supposed to be about whether there's a "center" in talk radio, but forget it. Everybody else has.

 

[flybynight]

And once again, I repeat this piece of truth. Corporations never really pay ANY taxes. They increase the cost of their goods and services to raise the revenue to handle their tax burden. Ultimately, those of us who are their customers, directly or indirectly, are the ones who pay all taxes.

That's why it's a misnomer to refer to the rich as "job creators". First of all, the rich don't all own businesses, and second, anyone who owns a business is only responding to demand, which is what creates jobs, not simply having supply.

The real "job creators" in this country are....all of us. Every time we buy something.

 

[Small Market Guy]

One cannot evaluate the taxes of doing business in a given country or continent by looking only at ONE form of taxation. In addition to the 'corporate income tax' of a given country, what are the other taxes paid by companies in each country. In this country corporations also pay Social Security and other taxes and mandatory fees like the cost of employee on-the-job injuries. What do corporations in other countries pay in similar costs. Four decades ago I got into a tax-law fight which taught me something about international differences. The U.S. has had a very strong petroleum lobby and they have been tough-as-nails to see to it that petroleum is taxed ONLY to pay for roads, while European countries at that time were adding a whole collection of taxes on petroleum: help pay for teacher's retirement with a tax on gasoline. Help pay for city parks with a tax on gasoline. and on and on and on.

You never hear about that on Talk Radio.

I suggest you move to Montana then suggest European style taxation on fuel. Have fun paying $9.00 per gallon to fuel up for your 500 mile weekly drive to a major city in the 4 wheel drive truck you need to get to the end of your driveway. Yes, some radio hosts talk about this kind of stuff, but they don't make it into puppies and rainbows like you do.

Much of the "Western Industrial" family of nations have a medical system that in this country we just sneer and write-off as "Socialized Medicine". So who pays what kind of tax in Sweden or England or Italy to pay for medical care? Is it all paid by a personal income tax, or is it paid for by a corporate tax that is separate from a corporate income tax.

You never hear about that on Talk Radio.

Radio hosts talk about this all the time, too. Especially during the Obamacare debate. Except they talked about the massive failures of said systems and the confiscatory tax rates those countries pay to support the failing systems.

I'm sure if you listened to liberal hosts, you would get the coverage you desire. To expect a conservative host to say the things you want to hear would be ridiculous.

The second post about the economy merits two words: anecdotal evidence. You live in a red state. There is growth DESPITE what's going on. Where I live is experiencing massive growth. It's not because of anything being done in Washington, since the folks there are on a mission to put our main industry out of business.

So I've figured it out. You don't like conservative talk radio because they're not saying the things YOU WANT TO HEAR.

 

[Small Market Guy]

I think it was Rush who said, "I am equal time."

Yes. I know. But have you seen the hateful vile stuff even the mention of that name brings out?

 

[Goat Rodeo Cowboy]

I suggest you move to Montana then suggest European style taxation on fuel. Have fun paying $9.00 per gallon to fuel up for your 500 mile weekly drive to a major city in the 4 wheel drive truck you need to get to the end of your driveway. Yes, some radio hosts talk about this kind of stuff, but they don't make it into puppies and rainbows like you do.

You have this nasty, unhealthy habit of trying to put words into my mouth that did not come out of there.

I was not speaking in favor of the European tax system. I was pointing out that if someone wishes to compare our corporate income tax to the corporate income tax of another nation, we probably would be well served to compare the complete basket of taxes. Our sales tax system compared to their sales tax system. (Actually a Value Added Tax in many cases which makes a sales tax look like a Sunday School picnic.) Our taxes for retirement and medical for the elderly compared to their taxes. Our inheritance tax compared to their inheritance tax. Our property taxes compared to their property taxes.

To simply pick only ONE particular tax of ours and compare it to those of another country is NOT an apples to apples comparison.

Radio hosts talk about this all the time, too. Especially during the Obamacare debate.
Except they talked about the massive failures of said systems and the confiscatory tax rates those countries pay to support the failing systems.

Thank you for saying what I was going to say... and you were going to then proclaim what I said was 'puppies and rainbows'. Talk Radio talked until it was blue in the face about the evils of European health care, the evils of socialized medicine, the evils of confiscatory tax rates.

But all that has nothing to do with Obamacare (Affordable Healthcare Act). Under Obamacare you go to the insurance company of your choice and you buy health insurance. Just like you go to the insurance company of your choice and automobile insurance. If you are a bad, bad driver and no insurance company wants to do business with you, then you go to your state assigned risk pool and they HAVE TO sell you insurance but the price gets ugly.

Under Obamacare you get to go to your doctor who is not a government employee and he/she is paid by your insurance company which is not government owned. How can you with a straight face call that "European Style Socialized Medicine"? And when you need hospital services you go to a hospital that IS NOT owned by the Federal government. Most are not-for-profit. Some are owned by cities and counties. Some are owned by publicly traded for-profit companies. That doesn't smell like socialism in my understanding of how this world is put together.

Years ago American businesses decided they wanted to take care of employees and offer them group insurance. Wonderful idea. Free enterprise at work. And what ended up happening was a bending and warping of our healthcare delivery system in this country. The employees of substantial companies got wonderful medical care and the medical industry responded by creating a healthcare system that meets the needs of the well to do. And we woke up eventually to the fact that in this country if you don't work for a substantial company that lures the best employees by offering great healthcare among other things, you are just S.O.L. for medical care in this country.

Obamacare attempts to bring some order, some reorganization, some sense to the basically free-enterprise medical system in this country.

Obamacare does for the nation exactly what Romneycare did for Massachusetts. My memory is that Romney is a Republican, but as you know I am so focused on puppies and rainbows it could be that Romney belonged to some other party.

The incorrect information broadcast daily on many radio stations by Talk Radio for the last several years about Obamacare should be an embarrassment to the industry.

The second post about the economy merits two words: anecdotal evidence. You live in a red state. There is growth DESPITE what's going on. Where I live is experiencing massive growth. It's not because of anything being done in Washington, since the folks there are on a mission to put our main industry out of business.

So I've figured it out. You don't like conservative talk radio because they're not saying the things YOU WANT TO HEAR.

The fact that a big news story last Friday reported that there are now 138.4 million employed to earn wages, which exceeds the number of people who were employed to earn wages before the economy fell apart in 2008 is not anecdotal. It's a fact, Jack. Take it to the bank.

No, I don't like conservative talk radio because they are saying things that are not true! What words I want to hear them say is not the issue. Being truthful IS the issue.

Can you say "Death Panels"? You won't find them in the ACA. But Talk Radio told us over and over and over again that we would get Death Panels.

 

[davideduardo]

That's the mentality of someone who has no problem incurring debt. Very telling.

That shows how much you know.

I am a fiscal conservative. On a personal level, I have no debt, long or short term.

When I owned stations, I used debt to finance acquisitions and power increases and such. It was short term, and could always be paid out of current cash flows without any risk; it allowed me to expand faster (from 0 to 12 stations in 5 years).

While not scared by debt, I am highly respectful of the risks.

But as to the tax "breaks" I only wished to point out that the impact on the economy (GDP) or the national debt was insignificant.

 

[Small Market Guy]

Under Obamacare you go to the insurance company of your choice and you buy health insurance.

It's hard to take you seriously when you post things like this.

And touting the cooked book employment numbers shows how truly uninformed you really are.

U6 unemployment. Google it. Then explain why for all of history until 2009, it was generally about 4 percent higher than the number we see each month. Now explain why all of a sudden it's about 6 percent higher.

Because people are giving up the search for work. There are more people employed now BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE. Stop parroting talking points if you want to be taken seriously.

Not that this will pull you off the talking points but here's proof.

http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate_u6.jsp

It's a fact, Jack. Take it to the bank.

No. It's a talking point, Jack. If I took that to the bank I'd be arrested for forgery.

As for your Death Panel crap, it's happening right now at the VA. But of course you refuse to believe that, too.

Being truthful IS the issue.

Yes, but it's an issue with the people from which you get YOUR news. Hint: Jay Carney isn't the evening anchor.

If you're going to claim talk radio is dishonest, you'd better have your ducks in a row when it comes fact check time. Now you can proceed to pull the martyr card again if you wish.

 

[flybynight]

Can you say "Death Panels"? You won't find them in the ACA. But Talk Radio told us over and over and over again that we would get Death Panels.

-- lie through their teeth all over talkradio. That's their stock and trade. They also, as you've seen, love to put words in people's mouths so they can then bat down a position that was never stated.

In short, they're lazy and dishonest. Talkradio is better off dead than remaining infested with their anti-American fear-mongering BS.

 

[flybynight]

It's hard to take you seriously when you post things like this.

And touting the cooked book employment numbers shows how truly uninformed you really are.

U6 unemployment. Google it. Then explain why for all of history until 2009, it was generally about 4 percent higher than the number we see each month. Now explain why all of a sudden it's about 6 percent higher.

Because people are giving up the search for work. There are more people employed now BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE. Stop parroting talking points if you want to be taken seriously.

Not that this will pull you off the talking points but here's proof.

http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate_u6.jsp



No. It's a talking point, Jack. If I took that to the bank I'd be arrested for forgery.

As for your Death Panel crap, it's happening right now at the VA. But of course you refuse to believe that, too.



Yes, but it's an issue with the people from which you get YOUR news. Hint: Jay Carney isn't the evening anchor.

If you're going to claim talk radio is dishonest, you'd better have your ducks in a row when it comes fact check time. Now you can proceed to pull the martyr card again if you wish.

-- You have this sick twisted tea party agenda that talks in circles and out of both sides of your mouth.

I guess Obama's cooked the books when the numbers come out good, but is giving honest numbers when they disappoint. Unreal. Can you at least TRY to be less transparent? Your delusional interpretation of reality is so shallow and sadly predictable. After you help finally kill off talkradio, go crawl back under your rock.

 

[Silkie]

Small Market Guy, Jay Carney might not be the evening anchor, but the late night comedians certainly are.

 

[flybynight]

Small Market Guy, Jay Carney might not be the evening anchor, but the late night comedians certainly are.

Sadly, they do a much better job of presenting the facts than the -- on talkradio.

 

[Goat Rodeo Cowboy]

Because people are giving up the search for work. There are more people employed now BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE. Stop parroting talking points if you want to be taken seriously.

Not that this will pull you off the talking points but here's proof.

http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate_u6.jsp

I quoted a news report from Friday as to how many people are now employed. Is the 138.4 million number not accurate? If the answer is no, then why don't you produce for us the correct number, and its documentation.

I also pointed out that the available labor supply of people wanting to work, willing to work has grown by seven million people. So it is not inconsistent to say that more people are now working than when the recession began in 2008, and that the unemployment rate can still be higher that it was then.

If you want us to take you seriously, you need to explain who PORTALSEVEN is. For all I know it may be a website run by seven guys operating from a storm cellar in Georgianna, AL with a "Don't Tread on me" flag flying from their pick-up truck.

The U6 numbers are not part of our common vernacular. Do I need to find an economist with a PhD to explain to me what the meaning of the U6 statistics are?

 

[TheBigA]

The U6 numbers are not part of our common vernacular. Do I need to find an economist with a PhD to explain to me what the meaning of the U6 statistics are?

I looked at that chart. It clearly said that in 2009, unemployment was 14%, and it's now at 12%. Is 14 bigger than 12? Or am I missing something?

 

[Goat Rodeo Cowboy]

Oh, SMG... I don't see your response to the observation that Talk Radio told us Obamacare was Socialized Medicine, European style, but here we are in the Obamacare era still buying insurance coverage from insurance companies, and still going to doctors for treatment that are not government employees.

 

[Goat Rodeo Cowboy]

Radio hosts talk about this all the time, too. Especially during the Obamacare debate. Except they talked about the massive failures of said systems and the confiscatory tax rates those countries pay to support the failing systems.

Yes, Talk Radio claimed "massive failures" and claimed "confiscatory tax rates".

I see and hear news about a number of things that Europeans are not happy about, but the Europeans (and the Canadians) don't seem to have medical system problems at the top of their list of things to complain about.

How can we know if the Talk Radio people are telling us the truth about European medical care?

 

[Small Market Guy]

If you want us to take you seriously, you need to explain who PORTALSEVEN is. For all I know it may be a website run by seven guys operating from a storm cellar in Georgianna, AL with a "Don't Tread on me" flag flying from their pick-up truck.

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Those numbers come directly from the BLS. Portal Seven seems to be some website that takes government reports and makes them into charts for people to read. Everything there is sourced.

Do you know how I know you have no idea what you're talking about? You're questioning sources and can't be bothered to Google what U6 unemplyment is, even though I explained it to you.


So I'll do the "Unemployment for Dummies" version for you.

U3 is the number we see every month. That doesn't include people who are stuck in part time jobs but would LIKE to work full time, and people who have completely given up looking for work. U6 includes all of those people. It's the true "unemployment" number and is less susceptible to manipulation by hacks like the ones who apparently write every article you read. Your record number of people working is once again due to THERE BEING MORE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY.

There is a slight improvement over the last 5 disastrous years, but you are trying to tell us that things have never been better. That's crazy talk.

As for the health care systems of other countries, it's not hard to find the horror stories of the NHS and similar systems. But again, you'd just stick your fingers in your ears and refuse to hear any of it, so why bother? You're going to believe whatever lies you want to believe anyway.

And it all goes back to the original premise. You're mad because talk radio doesn't talk about things in the manner that you want them to. You're so absolutely convinced that only you can be right that anyone else must be lying. When present with facts to the contrary, you deflect and ignore.

So tell me again why we should hold you up as some paragon of honesty?