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Where will the ALT 92.3 Refugees Go? Options?
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On the other hand, SiriusXM just turned a profit. How does that affect competition or creativity?
SiriusXM Returns To Profit; No Spotify Spillover As Streaming Audio Player Posts Solid Q4 Numbers
Satellite ratio and podcasting streamer SiriusXM returned to profit in the fourth quarter.
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Long Island is totally part of the NYC radio market. So are 9 counties in NE New Jersey and Rockland, Putnam and Westchester to the north and Fairfied West in CT.
Even the far east end? How many NYC FM signals make it out to Riverhead?
Beyond what his show brings as exclusive desired so much they will pay for it content, Howard has given SXM an image that a lot of people want to be a part of.On the other hand, SiriusXM just turned a profit. How does that affect competition or creativity?
SiriusXM Returns To Profit; No Spotify Spillover As Streaming Audio Player Posts Solid Q4 Numbers
Satellite ratio and podcasting streamer SiriusXM returned to profit in the fourth quarter.
I just thought that last night on 923, it was some really good radio. It hit on things that few mediums if any can deliver.
That was one night. I'd love to see what that could have blossomed into with a consistent opportunity. Maybe it still would've failed in NYC, but many places I believe would support that kind of passion and presentation. I don't really like any post 95 rock or alt besides Gorillaz, but I was entertained, I think that's basically what it's all about.
That's what a control freak would say. You know what, maybe it was finally loosening up the restrictions and letting creative people do what they do best that resulted in something really worth listening to.
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Where did you hear this?
I believe that many of the local jocks could offer lots of personality on the air, if allowed to. I recall how engaging Race Taylor was during the final show on WPLJ, before the programming was handed over to K-Love.
That being said, I do understand why management of music stations expects the on air people to generally keep their remarks between songs very brief.
DJs have a lot of freedom in non-commercial radio. They also tend to get paid less.
Doesn't matter. Both Nassau and Suffolk counties are part of the NYC radio metro survey area. The two counties are also an "embedded market" which means Nielsen publishes a book for them separated from the full NYC market.
BigA is a control freak? What have I missed in the your last 6+ billion posts?
Seriously, the last few comments are interesting. It is literally a thin line on how to allow freedom to express yourself on the air, have potentially entertaining bits, or not just read liners and avoid running off finicky listeners who don’t want more than 14 words or only stop the music twice each hour. This is one of those “radio industry” gray areas.
Seems like the managers that have never been on the air much get to regulate the jocks who wanna run an free for all shelf-centered show.
As you all know one song can kill the audience. One two minute attempt at humor can do even more harm.
The proper way I have found is to get it done on the air is too consider each break as if that is the only break a listener will hear. So, mix it up, if the format/day-part allows. One break may welcome you in and engage/thank or make you feel at home. Another gets ya to an event, business or call to action. One break makes ya wonder what the hell just happened and makes you wanna stay and play. One break is a legit read liner partially adapted to sound like you.
No matter what, very few people wanna hear anyone ramble on and build up to nothing.
So less is more. If what you say is spot on.
Broadway Bill is one of my favorite long term jocks that can flip it on a dime and give ya back 11 cents in change.
After decades of doing this, I still think 15 words are two too many. Working well so far. So, be careful when you call out management or on air teams because often NO ONE has ever really told anyone the magic tricks. I think more companies should have better info/stats and plans on how to win.
Sorry, not intended to divert the main subject, but the last few comments actually have major impact on profit and losses. Mic drop!
Oh, never say as much in a year on the air, as I have typed above. Brevity stops when the studio mic light is off.
Seriously, the last few comments are interesting. It is literally a thin line on how to allow freedom to express yourself on the air, have potentially entertaining bits, or not just read liners and avoid running off finicky listeners who don’t want more than 14 words or only stop the music twice each hour. This is one of those “radio industry” gray areas.
Seems like the managers that have never been on the air much get to regulate the jocks who wanna run an free for all shelf-centered show.
As you all know one song can kill the audience. One two minute attempt at humor can do even more harm.
The proper way I have found is to get it done on the air is too consider each break as if that is the only break a listener will hear. So, mix it up, if the format/day-part allows. One break may welcome you in and engage/thank or make you feel at home. Another gets ya to an event, business or call to action. One break makes ya wonder what the hell just happened and makes you wanna stay and play. One break is a legit read liner partially adapted to sound like you.
No matter what, very few people wanna hear anyone ramble on and build up to nothing.
So less is more. If what you say is spot on.
Broadway Bill is one of my favorite long term jocks that can flip it on a dime and give ya back 11 cents in change.
After decades of doing this, I still think 15 words are two too many. Working well so far. So, be careful when you call out management or on air teams because often NO ONE has ever really told anyone the magic tricks. I think more companies should have better info/stats and plans on how to win.
Sorry, not intended to divert the main subject, but the last few comments actually have major impact on profit and losses. Mic drop!
Oh, never say as much in a year on the air, as I have typed above. Brevity stops when the studio mic light is off.
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My personal belief is that most of them have long since abandoned FM radio for Sirius or streaming services like Spotify or Apple Music. Maybe a station in a smaller corner of the overall market like WDHA if they live in an area where the signal reaches (I do mostly like WRFF but I'm pretty much at the very edge of their signal range here in Bedminster, NJ). I think the streaming services especially are where it's at for fans of "alt rock" because it lets them better pick and choose the style of "alt rock" they want to hear. It's harder in my mind to replicate that on a commercial FM station that is trying to reach a broad swath of listeners so they can increase their ratings and thus their billings.
The other thing is that I think for one of these stations to succeed, it really does need a towering morning show host like Stern was. I never listened to him in the WXRK days, but everyone knows his show paid a lot of the bills and let the station flourish beyond his hours on the air every day. I don't know if you'll ever find someone like that that isn't either on a paid service or just podcasting at this point (especially when those places don't have nearly as many content restrictions on language or subject matter that you'll get on commercial FM radio).
The other thing is that I think for one of these stations to succeed, it really does need a towering morning show host like Stern was. I never listened to him in the WXRK days, but everyone knows his show paid a lot of the bills and let the station flourish beyond his hours on the air every day. I don't know if you'll ever find someone like that that isn't either on a paid service or just podcasting at this point (especially when those places don't have nearly as many content restrictions on language or subject matter that you'll get on commercial FM radio).
Most of Stern's history the station was Classic Rock. As someone who liked Classic Rock, K-Rock was horribly stale to listen to. Without Stern it probably would not have lasted as long as it did. When they tried Stern in the morning and Alt the rest of the day, the Alt format was pretty weak as well and again probably would not have survived as long without him.
On the other hand without Stern maybe they would not have gotten such a free pass and been motivated by poor ratings to actually tweak either format where they could have in fact survived without Stern. Because of Stern's morning ratings they got away with serving up poop on a platter.
WNYL had it's problem's with different Alt formats but was still far superior than any incarnation of rock that was ever tried prior to that on 92.3.
What brought me back from streaming was WNYL and having two choices like WNYL and WXPK. Considering WXPK is heavy in Classic Rock, I probably will be streaming more, although WXPK has been pretty good as of late so I have not bothered going through the extra steps to stream anything.
Connoisseur Media has 2 local mainstream rock stations-WWFX 95.9 The Fox, and WWSK 94.7 The Shark. Both can can be heard in the vicinity of Fairfield County CT and central Long Island.
Would it make sense to flip one of them to Alt? Or does mainstream rock tend to bill better?
What about WBZO Max 103.1 on Long Island? It is running an automated classic rock format that can't really compete with WBAB 102.3.
I realize none of these stations could be a replacement for WNYL Alt 92.3, as their signals reach only a small part of the Metro area. I am only asking whether a flip to Alt might work for any of these stations within their listening area.
Would it make sense to flip one of them to Alt? Or does mainstream rock tend to bill better?
What about WBZO Max 103.1 on Long Island? It is running an automated classic rock format that can't really compete with WBAB 102.3.
I realize none of these stations could be a replacement for WNYL Alt 92.3, as their signals reach only a small part of the Metro area. I am only asking whether a flip to Alt might work for any of these stations within their listening area.
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If they could find a 24/7 syndicated alt format that they could run for free, perhaps. I don't know of any,
If you notice, they just blew out all of their local talent on WBZO, so they're not looking to add any expense.
The Fox and The Shark currently have on-air personalities. Why would they need a free syndicated alt format? Playing Alt music instead of active rock should cost the same. Do the eastern suburbs really need two mainstream rock stations with overlapping signals, from the same broadcaster?
I find it interesting everyone said how 92.3 was always rock. For 8 years it was Pop.
The cost of the music isn't the issue. It's how much does it bill?
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