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WHICH CANADIAN STATION WILL BE THE 2ND. TO GO HD RADIO?
- Thread starter blackgold
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What's the CRTC's position on HD2/HD3/HD4 subchannels?
They don't seem to be allowing multiple programs on digital TV stations.
Unless they authorize subchannels, I don't think we'll ever see another HD Radio station in Canada. The only way U.S. stations seem to be seeing a business model for HD is for multicasting; if that's not allowed in Canada, the economic rationale for HD pretty much goes away.
I do wonder what would happen if someone (TV or radio) applied for a HD2/second program on a DTV through the process used to licence a completely new station? I think there's a pretty good chance the CRTC would consider (but not necessarily approve) such an application.
They don't seem to be allowing multiple programs on digital TV stations.
Unless they authorize subchannels, I don't think we'll ever see another HD Radio station in Canada. The only way U.S. stations seem to be seeing a business model for HD is for multicasting; if that's not allowed in Canada, the economic rationale for HD pretty much goes away.
I do wonder what would happen if someone (TV or radio) applied for a HD2/second program on a DTV through the process used to licence a completely new station? I think there's a pretty good chance the CRTC would consider (but not necessarily approve) such an application.
Unlike the USA, Canada still has a few decent music stations on the AM dial, and some in C-Quam stereo AM as well. I doubt the Canucks would want to hose up the AM band with HD, but they could try it out on FM since their band isn't nearly as crowded as ours; however, they've already wasted their money on the 1st generation of DAB, and probably don't want to get screwed again. Aussies have DAB+ and love it! That appears to have been the better choice: DAB+ that are firmware upgradeable!
PS: What is the extra 'computer' jack on my HD radio - was it designed for consumers (or dealers) to upload/downloard upgrades to the radios's firmware?
PS: What is the extra 'computer' jack on my HD radio - was it designed for consumers (or dealers) to upload/downloard upgrades to the radios's firmware?
Zach said:
"100.7 the Island" up on Manitoulin Island has been claiming HD on their website since they signed on a few years ago. Nobody's heard them actually running HD that I know of, and I rather doubt there are any HD radios on Manitoulin.
http://www.theislandfm.com/
I heard CHUM AM and FM are/will run HD
CFRM uses HD Radio for emergency services, as shown on the website.
For "emergency services?" Huh? As far as Scott's mention of the Manitoulin station, I would venture to guess it's some kind of marketing ploy using "HD" as a general phrase....and not actual employment of the HD system.
Canada is really packing its FM band with migrations from AM, and has already tossed all third-adjacent protection. More than 90% of Canada's population lives within 70 miles of the USA, and most of that is in the Northeast. With that concentration of FM service and population HD would introduce an intolerable level of interference.
Canada is really packing its FM band with migrations from AM, and has already tossed all third-adjacent protection. More than 90% of Canada's population lives within 70 miles of the USA, and most of that is in the Northeast. With that concentration of FM service and population HD would introduce an intolerable level of interference.
Well, I'm scratching my head over that one. The last I heard from the CRTC and Industry Canada they had pretty much ruled out HD Radio because of the interference issues, as noted. Canadian regulators diplomatically said they'd wait and watch how HD did in the U-S before reconsidering.
And, given the recent track record of HD here on its home turf, that would explain why Canada hasn't changed its stance.... :
And, given the recent track record of HD here on its home turf, that would explain why Canada hasn't changed its stance.... :
I checked with a contact at Industry Canada, and as of today, the number of Canadian stations that have applied for an experimental license to run HD Radio is: zero. As for the station on Manitoulin Island that mentions "HD" on their website, they evidently acquired a transmitter that is "HD ready", and somehow got the impression that it was some sort of quality attribute of the transmitter itself. It is highly unlikely that they actually own an HD exciter to go with the transmitter.
So, the premise of this topic, that HD Radio is gaining some traction in Canada, is apparently incorrect.
So, the premise of this topic, that HD Radio is gaining some traction in Canada, is apparently incorrect.
The story of the Manitoulin station which apparently thinks it's transmitting in "HD" because of the HD Radio logo on their new transmitter is very entertaining.
It reminds me of the World War 2-era receivers and consoles which included an audio input position prominently marked, TELEVISION. Apparently the major manufacturers planned to put out vision-only receiver attachments after the War restrictions were lifted, which would have AM audio feeds that could be jacked into existing home sets and - voila - behold the miracle of small-screen TV! Buyers were convinced they were ready for the newest tech once hostilities ceased.
But the transmission standard was revised from 343 lines and AM audio to the NTSC 525-line and FM audio in the intervening years. The public never got to use the optimistically-labelled TELEVISION switches.
It also reminds me of more-than-one listener who thought they had "digital radios" because they no longer had slide-rule dials. Hey - the display reads 105.9! "It's digital!!"
It reminds me of the World War 2-era receivers and consoles which included an audio input position prominently marked, TELEVISION. Apparently the major manufacturers planned to put out vision-only receiver attachments after the War restrictions were lifted, which would have AM audio feeds that could be jacked into existing home sets and - voila - behold the miracle of small-screen TV! Buyers were convinced they were ready for the newest tech once hostilities ceased.
But the transmission standard was revised from 343 lines and AM audio to the NTSC 525-line and FM audio in the intervening years. The public never got to use the optimistically-labelled TELEVISION switches.
It also reminds me of more-than-one listener who thought they had "digital radios" because they no longer had slide-rule dials. Hey - the display reads 105.9! "It's digital!!"
I have a Farnsworth (of Philo T. fame) floor console radio that my grandfather purchased in 1935. The pushbuttons are labeled with the callsigns of the big AMs of the day, but the the last one is labeled "television." In this case, though, it's just an "aux" audio input to the radio's AF amp and speaker.
And . . . if we started promoting our stations as being digital, our listeners would not only believe us, they would be more than satisfied that their favorite stations are now "digital!" A few "the all-new digital Wxxx" promos would not only make our listeners happy, but our signals wouldn't interfere with each other, and that kind of "digital" conversion would be really, really cost-effective!
And . . . if we started promoting our stations as being digital, our listeners would not only believe us, they would be more than satisfied that their favorite stations are now "digital!" A few "the all-new digital Wxxx" promos would not only make our listeners happy, but our signals wouldn't interfere with each other, and that kind of "digital" conversion would be really, really cost-effective!
They say they are broadcasting in HD, but just because they have a fancy new HD capable transmitter doesn't mean they are actually running IBOC. But shouldn't a station know whether or not they are broadcasting with HD radio or not.
The NV10 that they have can run in analog only mode:
http://www.nautel.com/NV10_hdr.aspx
The NV10 that they have can run in analog only mode:
http://www.nautel.com/NV10_hdr.aspx
I've known owners who didn't know what a transmitter was.
Once, the GM of a combo here in Rochester sidled up to me at a staff meeting. He (or she, to protect identity embarassment) asked in a low, confidential voice: exactly what IS the difference between AM and FM??
This person was stone cold sober. You can't make this stuff up.
Once, the GM of a combo here in Rochester sidled up to me at a staff meeting. He (or she, to protect identity embarassment) asked in a low, confidential voice: exactly what IS the difference between AM and FM??
This person was stone cold sober. You can't make this stuff up.
This cluster had the typical group of racks containing processing, routing, satellite receivers and remote control units, facing out into a common studio area and backing up into the engineering shop. The GM walked me over to the racks and asked a question, referring to "the transmitter."
I gently explained that the gear in the racks wasn't actually the transmitter. The GM appeared thunderstruck. Apparently this person thought the RF was generated in those racks and somehow we used those dish-things on the roof to throw it to the AM and FM sites, where it magically adhered to the towers and then got reflected out to the listeners. Or something.....
The truly scary thing is, this person went on to be a major-market GM.
I gently explained that the gear in the racks wasn't actually the transmitter. The GM appeared thunderstruck. Apparently this person thought the RF was generated in those racks and somehow we used those dish-things on the roof to throw it to the AM and FM sites, where it magically adhered to the towers and then got reflected out to the listeners. Or something.....
The truly scary thing is, this person went on to be a major-market GM.
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necrat123
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Not to drag up an old topic but, if you look at the video of "1007 The Island" firing up their new Nautel TX, there are two things to note:
1) There is a Harris "Deathstar" HD encoder at the site. (Just above the ZX1000 TX)
2) When the Nautel fires up, the screen shot clearly shows an analog only signal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPaNVmwt9pY
So they may have actually been in HD at one point.
1) There is a Harris "Deathstar" HD encoder at the site. (Just above the ZX1000 TX)
2) When the Nautel fires up, the screen shot clearly shows an analog only signal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPaNVmwt9pY
So they may have actually been in HD at one point.
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