Which TV Translator Is Located The Farthest From It's Source

[Markxxx]

I am referring to translator stations, not full power satellite TV stations. Like WIRT hibbing is a full power TV station that is a satellite of WDIO in Duluth.

So which TV translator is farthest from it's source. Like I know there are some translator stations in Wyoming that have Denver as their source

Thanks

If anyone cares to put some historical stations in that'd be cool too. For instance, if back a few decades ago a translator was brought in from far away but no longer does this today, that'd be interesting to know

 

[Sammi Brie]

Salt Lake City is an absolutely huge market (the entire state of Utah plus a few pieces of Nevada). Some translators on the southern fringe of Utah (with Utah) stations bleed into AZ. The Phoenix stations also have translators to reach most of the state.

Geographically, I would say Wichita-Hutchinson Plus (a 70-county television market, the largest geographically in the country) if it weren't for all the full power satellites. Despite putting Telemundo on all its DT2s, KSN didn't convert one of the full-powers into a full-market Telemundo (contrary to what Broadcasting and Cable said).

KAKE has a much more cluttered translator system (KSN has five in all, four full-power and one LPDTV): two full-powers, a DTV fillin translator, one apiece in Salina and Great Bend (non-DTV), and two more in Hays and Russell feeding off the Great Bend signal.

KWCH has just its three full-power blasters, and even KSAS (Fox) has two of its own plus two LPTVs.

 

[BRNout]

K54CJ in Logandale, NV translates KSL-TV from Salt Lake City. That's 320 air miles. Logandale is in eastern Clark County and within 50 air miles of Las Vegas. Furthermore, KSL is actually carried on cable there.

I know that there used to be some Denver translators pretty far up into Wyoming, but most are gone now. Likewise, Salt Lake stations used to have translators as far north as Montana - but those are gone too. KSL (and other SLC stations) have translators in the Page, AZ area too; but those are less than 300 miles from the originating station. So, I tend to think that the Logandale translator is the winner by that measure.

One correction though: I think you meant originating station and not necessarily source. I say that because many translators are fed by other translators along the line. Like a daisy chain. So, when I worked in UT, the failure of a key translator in a place like Beaver, UT (along the I-15 corridor) meant that we lost coverage everywhere beyond that: Cedar City, St. George, Mesquite, NV, etc.

 

[The King Bee]

The Albuquerque market also has several far-flung translators operated by the network affiliates there, artificially inflating its market size to #48.

They have them everywhere...Farmington, Clovis, Roswell, Alamagordo, Southern Colorado, the Four Corners region, you name anywhere in the state or adjoining states with 5,000 population or more and they're within the contours of an Albuquerque-based translator!

I believe all New Mexico counties except those within the Amarillo. Lubbock and El Paso markets in the east are in the Albuquerque ADI...now that's penetration!

 

[ding12]

The Albuquerque market also has several far-flung translators operated by the network affiliates there, artificially inflating its market size to #48.

The Albuquerque metropolitan area of the four counties - Bernalillo, Sandoval, Torrance, and Valencia, is the 57th largest MSA.

The inflation of its market size (from metropolitan area to DMA) with the outlying areas isn't as drastic as some other markets.

i.e. those outlying areas don't add a lot of numbers (HH).

 

[RadioDaze]

An earlier post mentioned Wichita-Hutchinson as being the largest geographic DMA in the country. Where might I find an online listing of DMAs ranked by geographic size? I have heard the Greenville-Washington-New Bern DMA, to the east of Raleigh-Durham, ranks high on the list, but I'm not sure how high.

 

[Markxxx]

One correction though: I think you meant originating station and not necessarily source.

Thanks for the correction, this is exactly what I meant, I just didn't know how to say it

 

[only1moore]

In Hawaii, KHON, KITV, KGMB, KHNL and KWHE all have full power satellites in Wailuku (on Maui) and Hilo (Hawaii County). The only exception is in Kauai County, where they have translators because of the island's geographical makeup. I would include KFVE but their satellites are all translators. KHET has only one full power satellite in Maui but the rest are translators. KPXO only has one full powered satellite in Kailua-Kona on The Big Island (AKA Hawaii County) and no translators.

 

[mleach]

An earlier post mentioned Wichita-Hutchinson as being the largest geographic DMA in the country. Where might I find an online listing of DMAs ranked by geographic size? I have heard the Greenville-Washington-New Bern DMA, to the east of Raleigh-Durham, ranks high on the list, but I'm not sure how high.

I have heard the same thing about the Huntington-Charleston, West Virginia tri-state market as well.

 

[PDXREXX]

North East Montana recieve The Great Falls Stations via Translator as well as the Minot-Bismack stations
plus the Regina CBC and CTV stations

 

[vibe]

I remember picking up the SLC stations (on translators) while at Bryce Canyon NP in Southern Utah 18-20 yrs ago. Why i was watching TV in a national park, I'll never know!

 

[fybush]

An earlier post mentioned Wichita-Hutchinson as being the largest geographic DMA in the country. Where might I find an online listing of DMAs ranked by geographic size? I have heard the Greenville-Washington-New Bern DMA, to the east of Raleigh-Durham, ranks high on the list, but I'm not sure how high.

I have heard the same thing about the Huntington-Charleston, West Virginia tri-state market as well.

Largest east of the Mississippi, maybe (but then look how huge the Bangor and Presque Isle, Maine DMAs are, geographically!)

But there's no way anything in NC or WV or even Kansas can be anywhere close in size to the entire state of Utah, or New Mexico, or the Denver DMA.

 

[azumanga]

Salt Lake City is an absolutely huge market (the entire state of Utah plus a few pieces of Nevada). Some translators on the southern fringe of Utah (with Utah) stations bleed into AZ.

KSL (and other SLC stations) have translators in the Page, AZ area too; but those are less than 300 miles from the originating station.

I think SLC is perhaps the largest TV market in the nation geographically, which includes all of Utah, plus parts of Nevada, Wyoming, Idaho and maybe Arizona.

I know that there used to be some Denver translators pretty far up into Wyoming, but most are gone now.

According to DMA maps I have seen recently, the Denver market also included some Wyoming and Nebraska counties, usually enclaved inside other markets. Of course, this is more due to cable and satellite coverage, rather than aerial reception.

 

[dhett]

K54CJ in Logandale, NV translates KSL-TV from Salt Lake City. That's 320 air miles. Logandale is in eastern Clark County and within 50 air miles of Las Vegas. Furthermore, KSL is actually carried on cable there.

That translator no longer exists, but Overton NV does have a KBYU-TV translator, K38LA-D. Since both SLC stations and both Overton/Logandale stations are/were co-located, it's the same distance, but the NOAA's Lat/Long distance calculator puts them at 301 statute miles apart.

What you called the Page stations (actually Kanab UT, about 65 mi west of Page) are 249 miles, and the lone translator that actually serves Page AZ, K33IY-D (KUED), is 266 miles.

The farthest translator from Phoenix is Littlefield AZ (10 mi E of Mesquite NV) KSAZ translator K31EA at 283 miles. The TL is actually West Peak, in Utah.

However, SLC translators in Cortez CO are the winners at 315 miles.

I assume the OP is referring to terrestrial-based transmission, because many of the LP stations owned by TBN are actually licensed as translators and carry the signal of KTBN-TV via satellite.

 

[Sammi Brie]

Salt Lake City is an absolutely huge market (the entire state of Utah plus a few pieces of Nevada). Some translators on the southern fringe of Utah (with Utah) stations bleed into AZ.

KSL (and other SLC stations) have translators in the Page, AZ area too; but those are less than 300 miles from the originating station.

I think SLC is perhaps the largest TV market in the nation geographically, which includes all of Utah, plus parts of Nevada, Wyoming, Idaho and maybe Arizona.

I know that there used to be some Denver translators pretty far up into Wyoming, but most are gone now.

According to DMA maps I have seen recently, the Denver market also included some Wyoming and Nebraska counties, usually enclaved inside other markets. Of course, this is more due to cable and satellite coverage, rather than aerial reception.

Look at this map:

http://the506.com/sports/?p=1016

Aside from San Francisco, all the gray splotches are the Denver DMA. One cool thing about these maps (not the archived ones like this) is that you can click (and it will read off the affiliate in that area).

 

[charlestondxman]

Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville also has a whole lot of translators, which help make it the 36th market in the nation. Without them, Greenville-Spartanburg would be one market, probably in the 60s or 70s, and Asheville would be well below 100.

WLOS has ten of them, including one all the way out in Cherokee, WSPA has 16, including one in Bryson City, WHNS (Fox) has 6, and WYFF has 9.