WHIO Dayton to Fox News.

[radiogeek07]

Made the switch at 7:20 this morning.
It's a nice imaging change.

 

[boom-mic]

> Made the switch at 7:20 this morning.
> It's a nice imaging change.
>
I personally think the change sounds awful. In one promo, they mix the local talent's names in with Fox's. That sounds atrocious. Who are they trying to be, anyway? I think I have a good idea, but that would be speculation.

 

[majicjim]

> > Made the switch at 7:20 this morning.
> > It's a nice imaging change.
> >
> I personally think the change sounds awful. In one promo,
> they mix the local talent's names in with Fox's. That
> sounds atrocious. Who are they trying to be, anyway? I
> think I have a good idea, but that would be speculation.
>
CBS Radio Network programming can still be heard on WPTW,Piqua. The switch to Fox Radio News sounds a bit absurd consdiering that WBZI,Xenia already has a Fox affiliation. Perhaps 'HIO-AM wants to bring on Bill O Reilly and his ultra right-wing arrogance with it so that can sound more like the former WAVI in its hell-raising talk days.

 

[gr8oldies]

No reason in the world for WHIO to bring on Bill O'Reilly, they've got a top lineup the way they are. As for WBZI, I wouldn't see why there would be a concern, but arch-rival WLW is also a Fox affiliate. I'm not sure why CBS came up, WHIO hasn't carried CBS in a couple of decades..they were a CNN affiliate. <P ID="signature">______________
"Your right to know supersedes your right to exist"..Gary Burbank</P>

 

[KFodor]

> No reason in the world for WHIO to bring on Bill O'Reilly,
> they've got a top lineup the way they are. As for WBZI, I
> wouldn't see why there would be a concern, but arch-rival
> WLW is also a Fox affiliate. I'm not sure why CBS came up,
> WHIO hasn't carried CBS in a couple of decades..they were a
> CNN affiliate.
>
The move was good for any number of logical reasons. Think about
it. WHIO is a conservative talk station. They don't need Bill
O'Reilly (as their line up is pretty solid), but having the Fox News
imaging and the ability to have the Fox News people on the air with
them is a win-win for the conservative listener base.

WLW is a Fox affiliate, but geez...have you noticed? They sure
don't promote it much. Could they be trying to keep the image away
from sister WKRC? By comparison, WTVN in Columbus promotes the Fox
image far more than WLW. WLW promotes ABC news extensively.
Apparently that's the affiliation they want people to remember more.

WHIO dropped CBS Radio (as many stations did) in the early 90's.
They went with CNN at a time when many stations affiliated with
CNN. At that time, CNN had the predominant news image, and having
that affiliation made sense. CNN's image with many, though, is now
tarnished. Fox News is considered the top news channel by many, if not
most.

WBZI? They have a loyal listening base. But, they are not a huge
market force. Their affiliation is designed to largely be used for
disaster coverage in a "9/11-type" situation. People are not
going to consider the news image of a classic country/bluegrass
station. It's doubtful their listeners tune in for Fox News.
WHIO's total audience is many times WBZI's.

As for mixing the names of the local news people in with the Fox
people on a promo? Spare me the daggers! It's simply an attempt to
say to the audience that the predominant local news station is joining
forces with the predominant national news network. Nothing more.

(BTW: I was told the station had received hundreds of e-mails and
phone calls in the past year or two requesting, suggesting and
demanding Fox News. They're merely responding to their audience.)

 

[boom-mic]

> > No reason in the world for WHIO to bring on Bill O'Reilly,
>
> > they've got a top lineup the way they are. As for WBZI, I
> > wouldn't see why there would be a concern, but arch-rival
> > WLW is also a Fox affiliate. I'm not sure why CBS came up,
>
> > WHIO hasn't carried CBS in a couple of decades..they were
> a
> > CNN affiliate.
> >
> The move was good for any number of logical reasons.
> Think about
> it. WHIO is a conservative talk station. They don't need
> Bill
> O'Reilly (as their line up is pretty solid), but having
> the Fox News
> imaging and the ability to have the Fox News people on the
> air with
> them is a win-win for the conservative listener base.
>
> WLW is a Fox affiliate, but geez...have you noticed? They
> sure
> don't promote it much. Could they be trying to keep the
> image away
> from sister WKRC? By comparison, WTVN in Columbus promotes
> the Fox
> image far more than WLW. WLW promotes ABC news
> extensively.
> Apparently that's the affiliation they want people to
> remember more.
>
> WHIO dropped CBS Radio (as many stations did) in the early
> 90's.
> They went with CNN at a time when many stations affiliated
> with
> CNN. At that time, CNN had the predominant news image, and
> having
> that affiliation made sense. CNN's image with many,
> though, is now
> tarnished. Fox News is considered the top news channel by
> many, if not
> most.
>
> WBZI? They have a loyal listening base. But, they are
> not a huge
> market force. Their affiliation is designed to largely be
> used for
> disaster coverage in a "9/11-type" situation. People are
> not
> going to consider the news image of a classic
> country/bluegrass
> station. It's doubtful their listeners tune in for Fox
> News.
> WHIO's total audience is many times WBZI's.
>
> As for mixing the names of the local news people in with
> the Fox
> people on a promo? Spare me the daggers! It's simply an
> attempt to
> say to the audience that the predominant local news
> station is joining
> forces with the predominant national news network.
> Nothing more.
>
> (BTW: I was told the station had received hundreds of
> e-mails and
> phone calls in the past year or two requesting, suggesting
> and
> demanding Fox News. They're merely responding to their
> audience.)
>
No daggers, KFodor. I just think their intertwining of the anchors is absurd to the extreme. I never would try that. It wreaks of cheese. No one is Dayton is going to say "oh, Shepard Smith and Joe Blow work together on delivering the news to me..." c'mon.

As for WLW not promoting and WTVN promoting? I think WLW is smart for not promoting a fledgling and often thrown-together product. WTVN has some great people in that shop, and they've pulled their pants down way too much for "We Report, And We Normally Get It Wrong."

If WHIO was smart, they would go for a sound that is unique to themselves and make their network affiliation an augmented part of the product, as opposed to a core of their product.

 

[gr8oldies]

Intertwining anchors is not completely out of the ordinary. I can even remember WHIO's TV side with Don Wayne sitting accross from Dan Rather at the CBS anchor desk for a promo (obviously Don Wayne wasn't physically there).

WLW has dropped ABC entirely. They ran both networks for a short time.<P ID="signature">______________
"Your right to know supersedes your right to exist"..Gary Burbank</P>

 

[KFodor]

Guess we'll agree to disagree. It simply would make no
sense to me that WHIO, as a conservative talk station would
not want to affiliate with the #1 news network.

"We report and usually get it wrong?" How 'bout the
"analyst/reporter" on CNN Radio who, at around 1 am on
Election Night, 2004 reported (accurately) that votes were
still to be counted in the suburbs of Cincinnati. Then,
that reporter said, "This would indicate that some more
votes should be coming in for John Kerry." Anyone who had
done their homework on Cincinnati politics would know the
suburbs are heavily Republican. Obviously, that CNN
reporter sure didn't.


> > > No reason in the world for WHIO to bring on Bill
> O'Reilly,
> >
> > > they've got a top lineup the way they are. As for WBZI,
> I
> > > wouldn't see why there would be a concern, but
> arch-rival
> > > WLW is also a Fox affiliate. I'm not sure why CBS came
> up,
> >
> > > WHIO hasn't carried CBS in a couple of decades..they
> were
> > a
> > > CNN affiliate.
> > >
> > The move was good for any number of logical reasons.
> > Think about
> > it. WHIO is a conservative talk station. They don't
> need
> > Bill
> > O'Reilly (as their line up is pretty solid), but having
> > the Fox News
> > imaging and the ability to have the Fox News people on
> the
> > air with
> > them is a win-win for the conservative listener base.
> >
> > WLW is a Fox affiliate, but geez...have you noticed?
> They
> > sure
> > don't promote it much. Could they be trying to keep the
>
> > image away
> > from sister WKRC? By comparison, WTVN in Columbus
> promotes
> > the Fox
> > image far more than WLW. WLW promotes ABC news
> > extensively.
> > Apparently that's the affiliation they want people to
> > remember more.
> >
> > WHIO dropped CBS Radio (as many stations did) in the
> early
> > 90's.
> > They went with CNN at a time when many stations
> affiliated
> > with
> > CNN. At that time, CNN had the predominant news image,
> and
> > having
> > that affiliation made sense. CNN's image with many,
> > though, is now
> > tarnished. Fox News is considered the top news channel
> by
> > many, if not
> > most.
> >
> > WBZI? They have a loyal listening base. But, they are
> > not a huge
> > market force. Their affiliation is designed to largely
> be
> > used for
> > disaster coverage in a "9/11-type" situation. People
> are
> > not
> > going to consider the news image of a classic
> > country/bluegrass
> > station. It's doubtful their listeners tune in for Fox
> > News.
> > WHIO's total audience is many times WBZI's.
> >
> > As for mixing the names of the local news people in with
>
> > the Fox
> > people on a promo? Spare me the daggers! It's simply an
>
> > attempt to
> > say to the audience that the predominant local news
> > station is joining
> > forces with the predominant national news network.
> > Nothing more.
> >
> > (BTW: I was told the station had received hundreds of
> > e-mails and
> > phone calls in the past year or two requesting,
> suggesting
> > and
> > demanding Fox News. They're merely responding to their
> > audience.)
> >
> No daggers, KFodor. I just think their intertwining of the
> anchors is absurd to the extreme. I never would try that.
> It wreaks of cheese. No one is Dayton is going to say "oh,
> Shepard Smith and Joe Blow work together on delivering the
> news to me..." c'mon.
>
> As for WLW not promoting and WTVN promoting? I think WLW is
> smart for not promoting a fledgling and often
> thrown-together product. WTVN has some great people in that
> shop, and they've pulled their pants down way too much for
> "We Report, And We Normally Get It Wrong."
>
> If WHIO was smart, they would go for a sound that is unique
> to themselves and make their network affiliation an
> augmented part of the product, as opposed to a core of their
> product.
>

 

[Inventor989]

Kevin, your points make good sense, as usual. I just think it's funny that Cox, the same company who owns the Dayton Daily News and the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, two of the most blatantly liberal papers in the country, would put their radio lot in with Fox News. This is not unique to Dayton...KRMG Tulsa has gone in with Fox, and there, Cox has a very conservative competitor in Journal's KFAQ...ALSO a Fox News affiliate! I don't get how Fox can be on both stations...if I were KFAQ, I'd be pissed. They were first in and ought to have exclusivity.



> Guess we'll agree to disagree. It simply would make no
> sense to me that WHIO, as a conservative talk station would
> not want to affiliate with the #1 news network.
>
> "We report and usually get it wrong?" How 'bout the
> "analyst/reporter" on CNN Radio who, at around 1 am on
> Election Night, 2004 reported (accurately) that votes were
> still to be counted in the suburbs of Cincinnati. Then,
> that reporter said, "This would indicate that some more
> votes should be coming in for John Kerry." Anyone who had
> done their homework on Cincinnati politics would know the
> suburbs are heavily Republican. Obviously, that CNN
> reporter sure didn't.
>
>
> > > > No reason in the world for WHIO to bring on Bill
> > O'Reilly,
> > >
> > > > they've got a top lineup the way they are. As for
> WBZI,
> > I
> > > > wouldn't see why there would be a concern, but
> > arch-rival
> > > > WLW is also a Fox affiliate. I'm not sure why CBS came
>
> > up,
> > >
> > > > WHIO hasn't carried CBS in a couple of decades..they
> > were
> > > a
> > > > CNN affiliate.
> > > >
> > > The move was good for any number of logical reasons.
> > > Think about
> > > it. WHIO is a conservative talk station. They don't
> > need
> > > Bill
> > > O'Reilly (as their line up is pretty solid), but
> having
> > > the Fox News
> > > imaging and the ability to have the Fox News people on
>
> > the
> > > air with
> > > them is a win-win for the conservative listener base.
>
> > >
> > > WLW is a Fox affiliate, but geez...have you noticed?
> > They
> > > sure
> > > don't promote it much. Could they be trying to keep
> the
> >
> > > image away
> > > from sister WKRC? By comparison, WTVN in Columbus
> > promotes
> > > the Fox
> > > image far more than WLW. WLW promotes ABC news
> > > extensively.
> > > Apparently that's the affiliation they want people to
> > > remember more.
> > >
> > > WHIO dropped CBS Radio (as many stations did) in the
> > early
> > > 90's.
> > > They went with CNN at a time when many stations
> > affiliated
> > > with
> > > CNN. At that time, CNN had the predominant news image,
>
> > and
> > > having
> > > that affiliation made sense. CNN's image with many,
> > > though, is now
> > > tarnished. Fox News is considered the top news channel
>
> > by
> > > many, if not
> > > most.
> > >
> > > WBZI? They have a loyal listening base. But, they
> are
> > > not a huge
> > > market force. Their affiliation is designed to
> largely
> > be
> > > used for
> > > disaster coverage in a "9/11-type" situation. People
> > are
> > > not
> > > going to consider the news image of a classic
> > > country/bluegrass
> > > station. It's doubtful their listeners tune in for
> Fox
> > > News.
> > > WHIO's total audience is many times WBZI's.
> > >
> > > As for mixing the names of the local news people in
> with
> >
> > > the Fox
> > > people on a promo? Spare me the daggers! It's simply
> an
> >
> > > attempt to
> > > say to the audience that the predominant local news
> > > station is joining
> > > forces with the predominant national news network.
> > > Nothing more.
> > >
> > > (BTW: I was told the station had received hundreds of
> > > e-mails and
> > > phone calls in the past year or two requesting,
> > suggesting
> > > and
> > > demanding Fox News. They're merely responding to their
>
> > > audience.)
> > >
> > No daggers, KFodor. I just think their intertwining of
> the
> > anchors is absurd to the extreme. I never would try that.
>
> > It wreaks of cheese. No one is Dayton is going to say
> "oh,
> > Shepard Smith and Joe Blow work together on delivering the
>
> > news to me..." c'mon.
> >
> > As for WLW not promoting and WTVN promoting? I think WLW
> is
> > smart for not promoting a fledgling and often
> > thrown-together product. WTVN has some great people in
> that
> > shop, and they've pulled their pants down way too much for
>
> > "We Report, And We Normally Get It Wrong."
> >
> > If WHIO was smart, they would go for a sound that is
> unique
> > to themselves and make their network affiliation an
> > augmented part of the product, as opposed to a core of
> their
> > product.
> >
>