I wonder if CVCO will try to get a hand on this station and put "the Promise Radio Network" on it?....
http://www.promiseradionetwork.com/
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We saw this before (under different circumstances) with 101.9 from Delaware and 95.1 up around Marion, playing soft AC to get the audience listening, then switched to religious programming. It's nice that Mr. Case got to put a radio station on the air and do with it as he pleased for about a year. How many people in a market this size ever get to do that? The circumstances are very unfortunate. Don't know how old he was, but it serves as a reminder to do something positive every day. No telling how many more you might have. And today for me, that positive accomplishment will be dusting off my ipod... It hasn't been used much since 91.5 came on.
Not all religious programming is created equal.
The fact of the matter that with the format change to ALL MUSIC of WCVO several years ago there is a huge hole in the market for any sort of teaching or talk from a Christian slant after they sign off.
Christian talk and teaching with music is a needed format and will likely impact WCVO the most if they continue to mix in the music variety they have so far and also have some local personalities to hold down the fort.
I would look for Stacey McKay from Sunny95 to surface somewhere around the station...maybe Mark Bingaman, Dirk Hunt and a few others are also strong possibilities to be on staff.
The fact of the matter that with the format change to ALL MUSIC of WCVO several years ago there is a huge hole in the market for any sort of teaching or talk from a Christian slant after they sign off.
Christian talk and teaching with music is a needed format and will likely impact WCVO the most if they continue to mix in the music variety they have so far and also have some local personalities to hold down the fort.
I would look for Stacey McKay from Sunny95 to surface somewhere around the station...maybe Mark Bingaman, Dirk Hunt and a few others are also strong possibilities to be on staff.
xianbroadcaster said:
All of low-power TV seems to be filled with this junk, as is noncommercial radio and dying AM signals. I just don't see how the limited interest in this stuff merits them hogging so much of the airwaves.
On another note, my understanding is Robb Case made his money selling PBX phone systems back in the 1980's when they first came on the scene. Robb seemed like a good guy, but he was a sales guy.
This is not a criticism, just an observation, but what is it with these sales guys and religious fanaticism? More than a few of these sales types seem to be holy rollers. In fact, I would argue that most TV preachers pretty much have that sales mentality. One of my favorites is how they all preach about titheing and how you will get it back from God .... an interesting twist on what all religions say except that it goes directly into buying more tacky jewelry for themselves and make up to cake on the faces of their tacky-looking wives.
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boyphenom said:
There is a HUGE difference between "titheing" (sic) and "buying more tacky jewelry...".
Tithing is the scriptural method of monetarily supporting the church and her work. The tacky jewelry is purely an option that no one has to do.
Another thing...you seem to have it in for Christian broadcasters. When you look at the big picture, you'll see that Christian broadcasters are NOT on all the high-power AM/FM/TV allocations. In fact, most have had to kick and claw to get to where they are right now (LPTV, etc.). Besides...what does it hurt if Christians are on the airwaves? It's not like Christian radio/television is asking its listeners/viewers to blow up a market in the middle of downtown.
About the connection between "sales people and religious fanaticism", what's wrong with being passionate about what you believe? You obviously don't believe that Christian ministries should be on the air. That's your right. It is as much protected by the United States Constitution as these ministries' right to use the airwaves that belong to the PUBLIC. After all, they are the ones who jumped through hoops to put these stations on the air.
I think the bottom line is that you don't like the message being broadcast. I hope and pray that someday you'll realize there's more to this message than superficial things like caked on make-up and "tacky jewelry".
Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life." (John 14:6)
Not Rod Parsley.
Not Benny Hinn.
Not Joel Osteen.
Not Robert Tilton.
Not Paul and Jan Crouch.
boyphenom said:
I think a lot of what is being taught on TV and radio is junk...It is a perverted twisted slant of what the Bible says...I don't disagree that there are some, perhaps even a majority of these "ministries" who are in it to make money simply for the purpose of them doing what they do...I hope not, but even if it were the case, it wouldn't change what I believe is the truth.
As has already been pointed out, tithing is a biblical principal. Greed is a human reality and unfortunately there is some overlapping of those two.
My guess is that you've had some sort of experience with or exposure too "the church." You may have even believed at one time...you may still believe in God but not the church...I am sorry for the pain, disappointment and the anger it has caused you.
I'm praying for you...not because I am on some holy rolling kick, but because it sucks to be so angry. I know, I've been that angry before.
Almost no one is happy when their favorite Radio Station changes format, but at least most of us had knowledge that this "mostly 80s" format that 91.5 had was only short term. Usually when a station changes format, there is little to no warning (speaking from personal experience). It sad to see a loved format go, but at least we knew our time with it was limited, and we had the chance to enjoy it.
Hopefully the small number of unexpected tunes popping up on the Brew (see separate thread) signals a move to the broader and longer-list Adult Hits approach that CC has been so successful with in many markets. That would be good timing. Here's a hour of WLUE (Louie) in Louisville. While hardly identical (e.g., the inclusion of one current per hour), it shares much with WHKC's sound before it got religion:
Gin Blossoms Follow You Down
Def Leppard Photograph
Chicago 25 Or 6 To 4
Bryan Adams Heaven
A Flock Of Seagulls I Ran (So Far Away)
Nickelback Rockstar
REO Speedwagon Time For Me To Fly
No Doubt Don't Speak
Billy Idol Rebel Yell
Fleetwood Mac Gold Dust Woman
Green Day Good Riddance (Time Of Your Life)
Wang Chung Dance Hall Days
Gin Blossoms Follow You Down
Def Leppard Photograph
Chicago 25 Or 6 To 4
Bryan Adams Heaven
A Flock Of Seagulls I Ran (So Far Away)
Nickelback Rockstar
REO Speedwagon Time For Me To Fly
No Doubt Don't Speak
Billy Idol Rebel Yell
Fleetwood Mac Gold Dust Woman
Green Day Good Riddance (Time Of Your Life)
Wang Chung Dance Hall Days
xianbroadcaster said:
That's my point. In a city replete with bad radio, what do they do with a new Class B signal? Bill Swad and his shiny suit protégés hogging up what's supposed to be a signal used for educational and community purposes so they can make more money, buy more tacky gold jewelry and Rolls Royces. (Incidentally, I was talking to someone today who claims he knew both Bill Swad and Leroy Jenkins pretty well. He had nicer things to say about Swad but the bottom line was that he didn't think much of either. Swad is Benny Hinn's sole Board of Directors, by the way. Praaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiise Jeeeeeeesus!)
xianbroadcaster said:
I didn't grow up in a church which placed such an emphasis on money. Tithing seems to be emphasized in Protestant churches which are more keen to boil things down to dollars and cents. Of course, our priest doesn't drive a Mercedes, either.
xianbroadcaster said:
Who said I'm angry? I'm just exposing these people and this entire movement for what it is -- a SHAM!!! And before, any of you WCVO-ers start whining about my position, just ask yourself how your owner was able to buy up all that land he has? The Tree Farm alone makes him an unusually rich person.
Free airwaves ...... all for the glory of GAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWDDDDDDDDDD!
boyphenom said:
Well, you are certainly entitled to your POV...I think comparing someone like Bill Swad or Robb Case or even myself to the Taliban is a bit of a leap.
I'm not a WCVOer in the least...in fact, I haven't listened to the station for years upon years...perhaps even decades...yes, I am that old!
I think a lot is done in the name of Jesus that is just plain old crap...It still doesn't change who Jesus was and always will be.
I assumed you were mad because I've never ever heard anyone piss and moan so much about something without them being angry...if you are not angry...WOW...find something else to occupy your time. You're wasting a lot of energy complaining about something you will never impact in the least.
As for the 80's format in Columbus. While there are a few people who are passionate about it, it won't pull the equal audience that a religious station will pull...sure it may beat WRFD on the Daytime AM sphere of things but realistically it won't do any better than a 2.0 or a 2.2 in the market simply because the recurrent selections on most HOT AC and AC stations already serve that core 80's demographic.
Star 107.9 as good as it was is better off living large in our memories as a folk favorite...it's current place on the Internet suits it just fine...I can't really say that outside of my short time on this board I've heard of anyone else demanding an 80's station in Columbus.
Star had very good talent on it and it played a lot of my favorite music but like I said, WNCI, WSNY met the same need just as good for an 80's fix...nowdays if an 80's station wants to be included in the mix they would be met by WSNY, WNCI, WBNS FM and whatever 93.3 is...the market for an 80's station just doesn't exist...what Robb was doing with the signal was doing what he always loved...MESSING WITH THE BOG BOYS...this time he had a little muscle with the frequency but he knew that getting into that market would have been too costly for such a small amount of revenue.
People can say what they want about Robb Case and Mark Litton but I can tell you first hand...they never were stupid with how they put their stations, staff or formats together.
So, like religion or not...80's radio was totally temporary on 91.5 FM...look for a large group like Clear Channel or a poorly run company like NABCO try to put something in place.
Just my 2 cents worth
xianbroadcaster said:
Well, at least we can agree on one thing.
xianbroadcaster said:
Ranting against people and things you hate is fun.
xianbroadcaster said:
And going back to my original comment ....... Why is it that an above average proportion of these sales types are holy rollers? What is it about being a pushy salesperson that make them so full of themselves to actually believe God cares about the size of their commission checks? What causes this disgusting superficial religiosity that turns most normal people off? (Why the Republicans turn so many people off!) Projection/overcompensation for being a sleaze, maybe?
boyphenom said:
I'm really trying to get your point of the last paragraph...I think I get, but I'm a Christian so I can't be real smart, right?
No, I think I get what you are saying...let me take a shot at it.
You are wondering why so many people in the Christian faith think that God cares how much money they make or don't make...right?
If that is the point, I'm with you. I think that a lot of churches are set up as networking circles and the larger the church the bigger the network and the more "opportunity" to help you succeed because the universal reality of business in America is that if someone is associated with a "winner" or perceived successful organization then that person is more than likely a success...it helps open doors for business...while that has never been the intentional function of the church that is how it has been twisted and perverted.
As for the GOP...you'll get no argument from me. I do think it is funny that the GOP has the appearance of the officially sanctioned party for Christians, though. Considering how incongruent their values are with the values specifically outlined in the Bible.
Ranting is fun for a while but then it becomes counterproductive and then finally it becomes so annoying that everyone just tunes it out...which is where the expression "Rage against the machine" comes from. It does no good to not bring something productive to an argument...I mean lets say you hate that the station flipped away from the 80's and you wish it wouldn't have...what alternative solutions can you think of.
I think the best solution is to listen to it where it is available...from what I have heard online the tribute site to Star1079 is doing a really good job...at least the three or four times I've checked them out.
how could anyone have had any doubt that 91.5 was going to become what it is now evolving into. all you had to do was look at the ownership and corporate name. robb is gone but i doubt that he ever meant to cause anyone to curse the lord or skyrocket their blood pressure to dangerous levels. if something as minor as a radio station format change is enough to cause major turmoil in ones life then one needs to move out of mommy and daddys basement and go get a life.
I had little doubt 91.5 would change at some point.
Absolutely no disrespect meant to Robb's memory here, but it's interesting how he went to such great lengths to tell people that he was considering multiple format options, and that he planned to go with what the local public most wanted. In his emails he certainly mentioned enthusiasm for Christian formats, but made it clear that this was NOT what a plurality of respondents were requesting. And when he was on-air Saturday nights, he would hammer that 91.5 is "The peoples' station," "YOU program it," etc.
Finally, in the blog that was created in his final days (presumably by family and friends), there is a video. The caption underneath the video refers to Robb's dream of a Christian Talk station. So when I looked at the video I expected to see him talking about this vision. But instead it showed him doing one of the Saturday night shows, talking about music, and taking callers who gushed about what a godsend the station was for the market, what a service he was doing, how appreciative they were that they could put away their iPods, etc. Why the disjoint?
Obviously we know radio stations are by no means always upfront with listeners about their intentions -- to the contrary, they're often quite misleading. Having "you" decide the format, when it's actually already set, is a common one. But still, Robb was SO unusually communicative re fornat possibilities that something seems odd. Was there possibly an evangelical motivaton for this? Get people to the station and hope some will stick around after the change? Or perhaps an intention to keep the music until a sale materialized, but then a format change was planned after no sale looked imminenr? Or ??
BTW, I'd rather listen to those infomercials than the current programming. I admired Robb's moxy in putting them on.
Also, I want to reiterate something I said before: Before HKC's flip, Central Ohio already had more than enough Christian formats for a market this size (especially one that is under-radioed in terms of really decent signals). Christian programming is a niche as it is. When we get to the point where the Christian format partisans on this board are complaining about how this-or-that Christian sub-niche is missing -- all while the market still lacks formats such as AAA or uptempo AC -- then things have clearly gotten out of hand.
http://web.mac.com/robbcase/Site/Movie.html
Absolutely no disrespect meant to Robb's memory here, but it's interesting how he went to such great lengths to tell people that he was considering multiple format options, and that he planned to go with what the local public most wanted. In his emails he certainly mentioned enthusiasm for Christian formats, but made it clear that this was NOT what a plurality of respondents were requesting. And when he was on-air Saturday nights, he would hammer that 91.5 is "The peoples' station," "YOU program it," etc.
Finally, in the blog that was created in his final days (presumably by family and friends), there is a video. The caption underneath the video refers to Robb's dream of a Christian Talk station. So when I looked at the video I expected to see him talking about this vision. But instead it showed him doing one of the Saturday night shows, talking about music, and taking callers who gushed about what a godsend the station was for the market, what a service he was doing, how appreciative they were that they could put away their iPods, etc. Why the disjoint?
Obviously we know radio stations are by no means always upfront with listeners about their intentions -- to the contrary, they're often quite misleading. Having "you" decide the format, when it's actually already set, is a common one. But still, Robb was SO unusually communicative re fornat possibilities that something seems odd. Was there possibly an evangelical motivaton for this? Get people to the station and hope some will stick around after the change? Or perhaps an intention to keep the music until a sale materialized, but then a format change was planned after no sale looked imminenr? Or ??
BTW, I'd rather listen to those infomercials than the current programming. I admired Robb's moxy in putting them on.
Also, I want to reiterate something I said before: Before HKC's flip, Central Ohio already had more than enough Christian formats for a market this size (especially one that is under-radioed in terms of really decent signals). Christian programming is a niche as it is. When we get to the point where the Christian format partisans on this board are complaining about how this-or-that Christian sub-niche is missing -- all while the market still lacks formats such as AAA or uptempo AC -- then things have clearly gotten out of hand.
http://web.mac.com/robbcase/Site/Movie.html
Nu_Roo_2 said:
All I know is this. A truly community-based station, that shared station with the low power signal, is probably going to go dark while the bible bangers hog yet more of our airwaves for ventures that are very lucrative for thier owners. Just take one look at the tree farm on Reynoldsburg-New Albany Rd. ..... obviously these "non profits" must throw off a lot of non-taxed cash for someone to be able to assemble land holdings. I know your average working stiff can't do it.
I am probably more religious than most of the people you are going to meet. I was brought up with a certain set of values which I have internalized and they are a part of me ... that's what religion is all about. To each his own, but it truly makes me yak and gag when people have net names like "Tiffany in Prayer for Powell" or to post blog entries like Robb's on his blog page at http://web.mac.com/robbcase/Site/Blog/Archive.html .
I know it's unfair to pick on Robb, who by all accounts may have been a good guy, but I'm still talking about this in general terms about this whole movement and why it turns so many people off. People who talk about religion this much and in these terms really strike me (and I think most people) as weird, and they are taking a whole bunch of radio spectrum for a little niche that happens to be financially lucrative for their owners while community groups, universities and schools for whom these signals were intended are still left without a voice!
These outfits are non-profits in name only. They are not outfits where people pass around a basket and people throw in their pennies and dimes. They throw off millions of dollars of non-taxed cash for their owners and their owners suck out huge salaries that are hidden from their followers. In my mind they aren't much better than cults. In fact, with all the flack organized religion gets from people in this non-denominational movement, you don't see too many people in an organized traditional church who get paid salaries in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Of course that gets me back to what I was talking about. I'm sure these people justify their rewards as "God's gift" for their service to humanity!
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Mr. Case said on the air a few months ago that they were going to keep the 80s format
for now. Based upon what was said below, he was planning to go to a Christian based format
after the 80s format had run it's course.
Click here for the rest:
http://www.dispatch.com/live/contentbe/dispatch/2007/02/07/20070207-B7-01.html
The Columbus Dispatch
Tim Feran
02-07-07
As for programming, "We're running 80s music temporarily until we get the engineering worked out," Case said. "FMs definitely the way to go. Now its just a question of what works."
Various possibilities are under consideration, he said.
"We?ve been talking to people at NPR. I think what they're doing on (WOSU) 820 AM is good, but it?s AM. This is HD FM. If we did a talk format, we?d have local in morning and afternoon drive (times).
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for now. Based upon what was said below, he was planning to go to a Christian based format
after the 80s format had run it's course.
Click here for the rest:
http://www.dispatch.com/live/contentbe/dispatch/2007/02/07/20070207-B7-01.html
The Columbus Dispatch
Tim Feran
02-07-07
As for programming, "We're running 80s music temporarily until we get the engineering worked out," Case said. "FMs definitely the way to go. Now its just a question of what works."
Various possibilities are under consideration, he said.
"We?ve been talking to people at NPR. I think what they're doing on (WOSU) 820 AM is good, but it?s AM. This is HD FM. If we did a talk format, we?d have local in morning and afternoon drive (times).
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