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I can't hear my rock.
No more oldies on AM.
Half of the FM dial is Hip/Hop or R&B
Blah Blah Blah...

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman Miss ________." FILL IN THE BLANK

Know the answer? Of course....It's common knowledge....as is the notion that within five years satellite radio will be a standard feature in cars and satellite receivers in our homes will be as commonplace as cable television.

We won't have to worry about 21 minutes per hour of "targeted demographic" advertising that only drives anyone over 44 years of age to think,

"I must have one foot in the grave and the other foot on a banana peel."

There was a time in which MOST demographics were well served on the AM and FM dials. Those days are gone. Five Hip/Hop or R&B stations on FM in a market where only about 15% of the population is black? Give me a break.

AM and FM aren't going away completely anytime soon...but the corporations know it's the beginning of the end. ANY format you can think is already commonly available to ALL of us in our daily travels through the advent of satellite radio.

Today it's a still considered a LUXURY to many people. But it was only ten years ago that Al Gore's internet was unfamiliar to most. And now here we are...chatting with fine folks all over the world while the guy who moved in next door a month ago is still a total stranger.

As soon as we purchase our 2010 Hybrid with standard satellite radio and we buy our $200 state of the art "ready to go" satellite receiver from circuit city to plug into our home stereo, we will have about 500 different channels WITH ALL OF OUR DIGITALLY REMASTERED favorites at our fingertips! EVERY FORMAT UNDER THE SUN!!! COMMERCIAL FREE AND CRYSTAL CLEAR AUDIO!

Make some room in your basement next to your 8 track player for the FM/AM stereo receiver you are currently using. In a short period of time you won't need it.

I have always liked radio...but annoying advertising, over-rated so-called personalities, and AM signal loss while turning the corner or driving under a bridge are intolerable to me now.
 
All I ask for is ONE, just ONE station for us Rockers, is that asking too much in a metro this size??? I agree in what you said, in a city with a 19% black pop, why all these Hip/Hop/Rap formats, what is wrong with one FULL TIME Rocker. The music YSP plays is/was acceptable, why not on a full time station. I just wish YSP would blow up the music portion and go all talk and sports. Maybe if a station would go Active 24/7 it would force YSP to can the music NOW. This way, the Rock audiance would have ONE station that plays something YSP and MMR forgot about, its called music. We never had a full time Active Rocker. For anyone who wants to know what I mean music wise AR is Ozzy, Audio Slave, Judas, Nirvanna, Screaming Trees, Trapt, Disturbed, CKY, Soundgarden, STP, Spacehog, Maiden, Skid Row, you get the idea. BTW, I just turned 50, so age is just a number with us Rockers.
 
FOR THE LAST TIME:

MORE THAN BLACK PEOPLE ENJOY RAP MUSIC...

Secondly SURPRISE... Black people like rock music. Ask the former MMR producer who used to deliver lunch to a bunch of very diverse groups that listen to MMR on a daily basis.

It is NOT a black or white thing. There are so many urban stations because it is POPULAR among the masses. It makes enough money or it would be DUMPED. Which may happened with WIRED relatively soon if all the rumbling and grumblings are true.

The Urban formats are as much for the population in West Philly as it for those in the burbs. C'mon now stop trying to make this a color thing the only color its about is green. And if you want to do something about it go out of your way to send letters to people that advertise on these stations to tell them you wont buy their products because of where they advertise. Or get yourself a few Arbitron journals and make MMR #1 so more people would be going after that Demo.
 
I'm not convinced that satellite radio will ever take the place of FM/AM stations. For one, there will always be a cost involved to subscribers UNLESS the satellite stations play more commercials - in which case all of those annoying advertisements on FM will simply just take over the satellite stations. Secondly, I think people still like a local aspect to radio. They also like to win prizes and be able to call in to talk about local topics. I don't see satellite ever being able to become too local.

If satellite does someday take over, I think sooner or later it will have to turn in to what we have now on FM - lots of commercials, stations appealing to demos, etc. Because, if they really want everyone to listen to satellite radio it HAS TO BE FREE. The reason the internet took over so much was because it became incorportated in to paying your cable or phone(with DSL) bill, etc.. Also, there weren't any other free ways to access it (except in libraries)- you had to pay for the service. With radio, though, there will always be a free way to listen with FM/AM stations. Soooo....why the need to switch? People can get the same effect with their ipod or mix cds as they can with satellite radio (music-wise at least). I think talk radio may be the only reason to cross over to satellite (or if you have to drive cross-country on a regular basis).

My point is that what makes FM radio radio is a local flavor, prizes, personalities who you can relate with, and music you at least partially enjoy.
And, it's free. I just don't see satellite radio ever being able to do that without it just becoming what you already have on your car radio dial right now.

> I can't hear my rock.
> No more oldies on AM.
> Half of the FM dial is Hip/Hop or R&B
> Blah Blah Blah...
>
> "I did not have sexual relations with that woman Miss
> ________." FILL IN THE BLANK
>
> Know the answer? Of course....It's common knowledge....as
> is the notion that within five years satellite radio will be
> a standard feature in cars and satellite receivers in our
> homes will be as commonplace as cable television.
>
> We won't have to worry about 21 minutes per hour of
> "targeted demographic" advertising that only drives anyone
> over 44 years of age to think,
>
> "I must have one foot in the grave and the other foot on a
> banana peel."
>
> There was a time in which MOST demographics were well served
> on the AM and FM dials. Those days are gone. Five Hip/Hop
> or R&B stations on FM in a market where only about 15% of
> the population is black? Give me a break.
>
> AM and FM aren't going away completely anytime soon...but
> the corporations know it's the beginning of the end. ANY
> format you can think is already commonly available to ALL of
> us in our daily travels through the advent of satellite
> radio.
>
> Today it's a still considered a LUXURY to many people. But
> it was only ten years ago that Al Gore's internet was
> unfamiliar to most. And now here we are...chatting with
> fine folks all over the world while the guy who moved in
> next door a month ago is still a total stranger.
>
> As soon as we purchase our 2010 Hybrid with standard
> satellite radio and we buy our $200 state of the art "ready
> to go" satellite receiver from circuit city to plug into our
> home stereo, we will have about 500 different channels WITH
> ALL OF OUR DIGITALLY REMASTERED favorites at our fingertips!
> EVERY FORMAT UNDER THE SUN!!! COMMERCIAL FREE AND CRYSTAL
> CLEAR AUDIO!
>
> Make some room in your basement next to your 8 track player
> for the FM/AM stereo receiver you are currently using. In a
> short period of time you won't need it.
>
> I have always liked radio...but annoying advertising,
> over-rated so-called personalities, and AM signal loss while
> turning the corner or driving under a bridge are intolerable
> to me now.
>
 
Screaming Trees...? also, comment about MMR forgetting about music.

Unfortunately, I haven't gotten around to buying more of Screaming Trees's albums. Alls I got is 1987's Even If and Especially When (supercool album). In my head, I'm hearing Transfiguration or Cold Rain coming right before Bark at the Moon in a playlist. *shudders* ...maybe their later stuff is more in line with the Active Rock you describe? I'll get around to gettin' those albums one of these days.

Dude, MMR hasn't "forgot about music." MMR plays a lot of music...good music that doesn't always crop up on the radio. I'm still bowled over by the A-Z Labor Day weekend. The Fill-in-the-Block thing they did a few weeks ago impressed me as well. Of course, there's always the Jaxon's iPod feature and the odd stuff that Pierre will throw on every once in a while. There's plenty of opportunity to hear really cool music on MMR, and they often ask for listener input.

I'll go ahead and say it: WMMR was and is the ONLY place on commercial radio for the serious rock fan. Unfortunately, I was living out of range of Y100 up until 2000...but the Y100 I remember isn't nearly as musically adventurous as today's MMR.

Of course, if I want really adventurous and challenging rock, it's 103.3 WPRB Princeton for me. :)

P.S. A Screaming Trees tune ended up on WMMR's Top 10 Grunge Songs list. :)

> All I ask for is ONE, just ONE station for us Rockers, is
> that asking too much in a metro this size??? I agree in
> what you said, in a city with a 19% black pop, why all these
> Hip/Hop/Rap formats, what is wrong with one FULL TIME
> Rocker. The music YSP plays is/was acceptable, why not on a
> full time station. I just wish YSP would blow up the music
> portion and go all talk and sports. Maybe if a station
> would go Active 24/7 it would force YSP to can the music
> NOW. This way, the Rock audiance would have ONE station
> that plays something YSP and MMR forgot about, its called
> music. We never had a full time Active Rocker. For anyone
> who wants to know what I mean music wise AR is Ozzy, Audio
> Slave, Judas, Nirvanna, Screaming Trees, Trapt, Disturbed,
> CKY, Soundgarden, STP, Spacehog, Maiden, Skid Row, you get
> the idea. BTW, I just turned 50, so age is just a number
> with us Rockers.
>
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by pianorox on 10/26/05 10:49 PM.</FONT></P>
 
I would have to mostly agree, but you're wrong on 1 thing. In 2010, a satellite reciever will prpbably cost $50, not $200. I have had the chance to listen to XM for a few months, and while it's really nice and great variety, its totally missing a local flavor. Until there is something on satellite radio to give us a local angle, regular radio will always have a market. That being said, the day WXPN goes off the air(hopefully never!) is the day I switch to XM.
 
> FOR THE LAST TIME:
>
> MORE THAN BLACK PEOPLE ENJOY RAP MUSIC...

And again...NOT EVERYONE LIKES RAP AND HIP-HOP, ESPECIALLY KLASSIK AND MYSELF!!! Stop with the trying to exclude due to different tastes gag!

> Secondly SURPRISE... Black people like rock music. Ask the
> former MMR producer who used to deliver lunch to a bunch of
> very diverse groups that listen to MMR on a daily basis.

I';d be willing to think the amount of black rock fans is more relegated to "cult following". Does it exist? Sure! Is it the norm? FAR FROM IT!

> It is NOT a black or white thing. There are so many urban
> stations because it is POPULAR among the masses. It makes
> enough money or it would be DUMPED. Which may happened with
> WIRED relatively soon if all the rumbling and grumblings are
> true.
>
> The Urban formats are as much for the population in West
> Philly as it for those in the burbs. C'mon now stop trying
> to make this a color thing the only color its about is
> green. And if you want to do something about it go out of
> your way to send letters to people that advertise on these
> stations to tell them you wont buy their products because of
> where they advertise. Or get yourself a few Arbitron
> journals and make MMR #1 so more people would be going after
> that Demo.
>

We're not trying to make it a color thing....it seems you and whomever likes rap does. We want a station for us...the rock fans! People who CAN'T STAND rap/hip-hop/dance/etc. And no, don't paint us as racists.....rather, if you feel the need to label, try "open minded", or "people who don't subscribe to the norm". Face it, just because you might like it doesn't mean the next person will. Does that make the person a racist? HARDLY! It just means his musical tastes don't include your music. This is what America was founded on. And, on some of these boards, we forget that.<P ID="signature">______________
I've done it all...HOO HOO...tell 'em, Fred!
FOX News Alert: YOU SUCK!!! Ya like apples?</P>
 
> We're not trying to make it a color thing....it seems you
> and whomever likes rap does. We want a station for us...the
> rock fans! People who CAN'T STAND rap/hip-hop/dance/etc. And
> no, don't paint us as racists.....rather, if you feel the
> need to label, try "open minded", or "people who don't
> subscribe to the norm". Face it, just because you might like
> it doesn't mean the next person will. Does that make the
> person a racist? HARDLY! It just means his musical tastes
> don't include your music. This is what America was founded
> on. And, on some of these boards, we forget that.
>
I AM A ROCK FAN. I just dont get the constant whining. If you know the business you KNOW it doesnt matter what you want. It matters what makes money and with soo many stations jumping off the rock ship as it sinks you would think they're not making money. I can't stand dance and won't listen to most hip hop stations because of the stereotypical jocks they have and lack of deeper cuts other than top 40 rap and hip hop. I don't label YOU a racist Bob... your name doesnt exist with three K's in it and you always bring semi-rational arguments around. I have no problem goin toe to toe with ya cause you're a smart dude. I'm just sick of the whining and the race argument always brought up.

I don't care if the city was 100% White people they would still possibly have an urban station. I'm incredibly open minded. I just have no tolerance for ignorance or for having to hear the same damn argument all the time. If the stations are making money there is no need for them to flip Period end of story.
 
> My point is that what makes FM radio radio is a local
> flavor, prizes, personalities who you can relate with, and
> music you at least partially enjoy.
> And, it's free. I just don't see satellite radio ever being
> able to do that without it just becoming what you already
> have on your car radio dial right now.
>
How many of these contests are national contests you may never know.
 
> I AM A ROCK FAN. I just dont get the constant whining. If
> you know the business you KNOW it doesnt matter what you
> want. It matters what makes money and with soo many stations
> jumping off the rock ship as it sinks you would think
> they're not making money. I can't stand dance and won't
> listen to most hip hop stations because of the stereotypical
> jocks they have and lack of deeper cuts other than top 40
> rap and hip hop. I don't label YOU a racist Bob... your name
> doesnt exist with three K's in it and you always bring
> semi-rational arguments around. I have no problem goin toe
> to toe with ya cause you're a smart dude. I'm just sick of
> the whining and the race argument always brought up.

Trust me, so am I. And I appreciate the positive words.

> I don't care if the city was 100% White people they would
> still possibly have an urban station. I'm incredibly open
> minded. I just have no tolerance for ignorance or for having
> to hear the same damn argument all the time. If the stations
> are making money there is no need for them to flip Period
> end of story.
>


Of course, the point is to make more money. Where I'm coming from are, sure, one segment of the audience is being served, but not the one I happen to be in. And yes, it does seem radio is trying to cram their music down our throats, then giving us no "alternative" (pardon the pun).

The only thing definite about this whole YSP thing is I've just about sworn off terrestrial radio. The commercials, the annoying jocks, the lack of variety/library/homogenization....to quote a dear friend o' mine, "it's all s**t (or schlock)"!<P ID="signature">______________
I've done it all...HOO HOO...tell 'em, Fred!
FOX News Alert: YOU SUCK!!! Ya like apples?</P>
 
> Secondly SURPRISE... Black people like rock music. "WRONG"
Outside of Hendrix, Living Colour and Kravitz and a bit of Rap/Alternative, I have never witnessed a black embracing Ozzy, Priest, AC/DC, Def, Maiden, Twisted, Metallica, Skid or any Real Alternative, Metal or Rock band, unless their is a method to the madness, figure it out. Maybe 1% may listen to Rock, out of 50% caucasian/asian/hispanic into Rap/Hip Hop or Urban music, WHY???, do I hear racism in music artists choices by a certain group. If what you say is true, then I must live in a cave. Remember!!! you brought the black/white issue into focus with your posts. AGAIN, what does the K have to do with being a racist, I guess if a poster had a BP in his handle he would be considered a Black Panther, but not in your book.
 
> > My point is that what makes FM radio radio is a local
> > flavor, prizes, personalities who you can relate with, and
>
> > music you at least partially enjoy.
> > And, it's free. I just don't see satellite radio ever
> being
> > able to do that without it just becoming what you already
> > have on your car radio dial right now.
> >
> How many of these contests are national contests you may
> never know.
>
oh, you must be referring to every clear channel station and their, "be the 55th nationwide caller to 1-866-525-wins". to get a prize
 
can't stand it

Here here. I am among those who want "a real honest to god ROCK station". Why is it that those who love urban music have their flavor dominating the radio, and that is fine, but when Rock fans yell and say "I hate hip-hop and I can't find a rock station anywhere" they have to be called racists. I am tired of so much hip/hop and the flood of r&B and the over abundance of black music. I like rock music and I feel like I am among a sizeable group in the radio listening audience who is under served. Not everyone like hip/hop and I don't think it's ok that I keep being made to feel as though I have to get with the "joneses" because hip/hop is what "everybody" buys and likes. It's not for me, and it's not for a hell of alot of people. Just like those who enjoy hip/hop, they have a shiest load of stations who spins all of the same rap songs back to back. We rockers want some radio stations that play our sound too. Essentially Phuck all of those who say that I have to like hip/hop because that is what the masses want. If it wern't for rockers making records wayyyy back in the day, those hiphoppers whould have no record to spin on their turntables.




> > FOR THE LAST TIME:
> >
> > MORE THAN BLACK PEOPLE ENJOY RAP MUSIC...
>
> And again...NOT EVERYONE LIKES RAP AND HIP-HOP, ESPECIALLY
> KLASSIK AND MYSELF!!! Stop with the trying to exclude due to
> different tastes gag!
>
> > Secondly SURPRISE... Black people like rock music. Ask the
>
> > former MMR producer who used to deliver lunch to a bunch
> of
> > very diverse groups that listen to MMR on a daily basis.
>
> I';d be willing to think the amount of black rock fans is
> more relegated to "cult following". Does it exist? Sure! Is
> it the norm? FAR FROM IT!
>
> > It is NOT a black or white thing. There are so many urban
> > stations because it is POPULAR among the masses. It makes
> > enough money or it would be DUMPED. Which may happened
> with
> > WIRED relatively soon if all the rumbling and grumblings
> are
> > true.
> >
> > The Urban formats are as much for the population in West
> > Philly as it for those in the burbs. C'mon now stop trying
>
> > to make this a color thing the only color its about is
> > green. And if you want to do something about it go out of
> > your way to send letters to people that advertise on these
>
> > stations to tell them you wont buy their products because
> of
> > where they advertise. Or get yourself a few Arbitron
> > journals and make MMR #1 so more people would be going
> after
> > that Demo.
> >
>
> We're not trying to make it a color thing....it seems you
> and whomever likes rap does. We want a station for us...the
> rock fans! People who CAN'T STAND rap/hip-hop/dance/etc. And
> no, don't paint us as racists.....rather, if you feel the
> need to label, try "open minded", or "people who don't
> subscribe to the norm". Face it, just because you might like
> it doesn't mean the next person will. Does that make the
> person a racist? HARDLY! It just means his musical tastes
> don't include your music. This is what America was founded
> on. And, on some of these boards, we forget that.
>
 
> The only thing definite about this whole YSP thing is I've
> just about sworn off terrestrial radio. The commercials, the
> annoying jocks, the lack of
> variety/library/homogenization....to quote a dear friend o'
> mine, "it's all s**t (or schlock)"!
>
The Jocks on the XM channels are just as bad. I think they need to start churning out new jocks that dont reside in pukeville.
 
> > Secondly SURPRISE... Black people like rock music.
> "WRONG"
> Outside of Hendrix, Living Colour and Kravitz and a bit of
> Rap/Alternative, I have never witnessed a black embracing
> Ozzy, Priest, AC/DC, Def, Maiden, Twisted, Metallica, Skid
> or any Real Alternative, Metal or Rock band, unless their is
> a method to the madness, figure it out.

I have and so has my friend who used to work at MMR who got to SEE their demo and their actual fans.

If what you say is true,
> then I must live in a cave.

That seems about right. A cave with a DSL line.
 
What will future radio be good for?

> I can't hear my rock.
> No more oldies on AM.
> Half of the FM dial is Hip/Hop or R&B
> Blah Blah Blah...
>
> "I did not have sexual relations with that woman Miss
> ________." FILL IN THE BLANK
>
> Know the answer? Of course....It's common knowledge....as
> is the notion that within five years satellite radio will be
> a standard feature in cars and satellite receivers in our
> homes will be as commonplace as cable television.
>

Radio will still be good for traffic, weather and local talk / sports / religion.

Any content that's nationally distributable (is that a word?) will remain on local radio only until WiMax in cars is cheaply available. Then you'll just get the podcast directly on your car radio.

Hey, wait a minute. That would work for traffic & weather too.

Well, maybe local radio will still work for local talk / sports / religion...interactive formats.

Richard / Allentown
 
Re: can't stand it? Then Sit Down.

In spite of your most eloquent post, seems like your "group" is not all that sizeable. If it were, local radio would better serve you. Guess they just can't make a big enough profit playing your rock music, young fella.

>. I like rock music and
> I feel like I am among a sizeable group in the radio
> listening audience who is under served. Not everyone like
> hip/hop
 
> > The only thing definite about this whole YSP thing is I've
>
> > just about sworn off terrestrial radio. The commercials,
> the
> > annoying jocks, the lack of
> > variety/library/homogenization....to quote a dear friend
> o'
> > mine, "it's all s**t (or schlock)"!
> >
> The Jocks on the XM channels are just as bad. I think they
> need to start churning out new jocks that dont reside in
> pukeville.
>
Wow...lighten up people it's only radio.
As someone who has now been on the satellite side(xm)as well as the fm side.
There is really something for everyone just like cable tv or dvd's
what ever it is seek it out...corporate radio runs the show and unless you make it known of your disgust(i.e. stop listening=ratings=REVENUE)
THINGS WILL BE AS USUAL.

ON ANOTHER NOTE......Thanks to my many friends who have emailed myself and Sanborn about our recent situation.
(It's frustrating when you're so close to victory) But we don't own em...we just work for em.
On to the next episode.


brianCarter
 
> > The only thing definite about this whole YSP thing is I've
>
> > just about sworn off terrestrial radio. The commercials,
> the
> > annoying jocks, the lack of
> > variety/library/homogenization....to quote a dear friend
> o'
> > mine, "it's all s**t (or schlock)"!
> >
> The Jocks on the XM channels are just as bad. I think they
> need to start churning out new jocks that dont reside in
> pukeville.
>
Gotta agree with the last comment. I've tried both Sirius and XM. It's like having 200 voice tracked stations with weak production values, no local content or appeal and washed up radio rejects. On many of the music stations the satellite providers have lots and lots of stringers in small markets voice tracking their shows. The don't pay them much, and they get what they pay for. I prefer bad terrestrial radio to most of the satellite offerings. When I go on a long trip, I take CDs for my in dash changer, or take the ipod.
 
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