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WHO DOES RADIO BETTER...L.A. OR NEW YORK?

DavidEduardo said:
While a few people did listen, the Midwest and Northeast had tons of good Top 40's from KQV in Pittsburg
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The proper spelling of the city in Pennsylvania (where KQV was...and is...) requires that an 'h' character appear at the end of the string. It is "Pittsburgh" and was only without the trailing 'h' for the period ranging from 1890-1911.
 
Bob E. Nelson said:
The proper spelling of the city in Pennsylvania (where KQV was...and is...) requires that an 'h' character appear at the end of the string. It is "Pittsburgh" and was only without the trailing 'h' for the period ranging from 1890-1911.
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Thank you for the contribution. Since English is not my first language, I think, all things considered, it is not really necessary to correct ununiformly spelled place names.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Jeffrey said:
This seems to me to be a bizarre comparison....
Both markets have good radio stations....LA has perhaps more "risk taking" formats since not as much is a stake financially...
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LA bills about a third more than NY. The big stakes are in LA.
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LA bills more than NY but wouldn't market size still dictate the level of format risks when it comes to "stakes"?
 
Jeffrey said:
LA bills more than NY but wouldn't market size still dictate the level of format risks when it comes to "stakes"?
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The risk is based on the value of the station, and the value of a staiton is determined by its billing and the revenue in the market.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Jeffrey said:
LA bills more than NY but wouldn't market size still dictate the level of format risks when it comes to "stakes"?
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The risk is based on the value of the station, and the value of a staiton is determined by its billing and the revenue in the market.
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Then essentially LA stations are worth more than NY stations because they bill more even though the NY market is bigger. That being said why would NY stations typically program "safer" formats, witha few exceptions, as compared to LA when even niche formats in LA like Movin' barely even pull in numbers...although perhaps they bill well nontheless........?
 
Jeffrey said:
Then essentially LA stations are worth more than NY stations because they bill more even though the NY market is bigger.
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Yep. The value of a business is in its potential for profit. Stations can bill more in LA than NY, as there is more revenue to split up.

That being said why would NY stations typically program "safer" formats, witha few exceptions, as compared to LA when even niche formats in LA like Movin' barely even pull in numbers...although perhaps they bill well nontheless........?
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Blink, blink, blink.

Every market has formats that are duds, or wear out (CD 101.9) or get fragged by competiton. The issue is the competitive array in each market and how well an individual station can do. There is really no such thing as a safe format... if a station needs to repostion, they will do some kind of format search research and see where there are holes or vulnerabilites in the market and go after whatever the biggest potential seems to lie. For that to work, not only the research has to be good, but so does the interpretation and implementation and promotion and talent and so on.
 
hotpatrick2004 said:
Hey david eduardo did entravision do any research before they flipped 103.1 to what it is now?
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I have no idea. Generally, they research everything they do with Marc Ramsey, but I do not follow 103.1 at all so I have no idea.
 
I spent time in both places in the Sixties and I think that the heavy emphasis on personality on WABC and WMCA gave NYC a certain sound that just fit. I read that Bruce Morrow's choice of the "cousin" bit was because New Yorkers were seen as somehow folksy. LA has/had a slicker image and the sounds of KFWB, KRLA, and KHJ were a perfect fit. The three hour jock blocks used exactly the same on all three did prevent any one jock from being 'The Sound" of the station. I'm sure nobody agrees with this and I know that LA had strong personalities, but I would argue New York stations had more. And both concepts worked for their cities.
 
LA had three top 40 stations simultaneously for 34 months (May 1965/March 1968), and all three stations were very well stocked with stellar personality lineups.

Most markets had at least one major top 40 powerhouse, and several had two.
 
It's sad that the biggest city in the world..the FMs go between a wimpy 610 watts with La Kalle 105.9, 4,200 with 107.5 WBLS, 4,300 with 99.5 WBAI (which is a wasted non-commerical signal) to 6,000 to 6,700 watts for the rest with the exception of 94.7 WFME in Newark which sends out a whopping 37,200 watts. All to protect Hartford and the Philly/Wilmington area. Doesn't help that 99.5, 100.3 and 101.1 were grandfathered in as to have stations in both NYC and Philly/Wilmington.

In any event, from what I've heard in LA and NYC..I'd have to say NYC and LA are almost even.
 
DXMeister said:
It's sad that the biggest city in the world..the FMs go between a wimpy 610 watts with La Kalle 105.9, 4,200 with 107.5 WBLS, 4,300 with 99.5 WBAI (which is a wasted non-commerical signal) to 6,000 to 6,700 watts for the rest with the exception of 94.7 WFME in Newark which sends out a whopping 37,200 watts. All to protect Hartford and the Philly/Wilmington area. Doesn't help that 99.5, 100.3 and 101.1 were grandfathered in as to have stations in both NYC and Philly/Wilmington.

In any event, from what I've heard in LA and NYC..I'd have to say NYC and LA are almost even.
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NYC is hardly the biggest city in the world. In fact, its not even the biggest city in North America.
But thats besides the point. The NY Metro is so dense, that those wattages can reach more people
than a station twice as strong in other US markets. What would be the purpose of having a NY FM blaring
into Philly anyway?
 
That's true. However I think that no one dominated LA like Dan Ingram and Bruce Morrow did in NYC. That is neither good or bad. I know KHJ had Robert W. Morgan and the Real Don Steele who were just as good, but I still say not quite as overwhelming. When Joe Buck rides the bus to NYC in "Midnight Cowboy", he had WABC on his transistor. Which station would he used if they did LA? THey used no radio background for Miami. Must have figured WQAM and WFUN had no national brand recognition. Besides, Ratso was dead.

I know----dumb question
 
OldSchoolWoman said:
That's true. However I think that no one dominated LA like Dan Ingram and Bruce Morrow did in NYC. That is neither good or bad. I know KHJ had Robert W. Morgan and the Real Don Steele who were just as good, but I still say not quite as overwhelming. When Joe Buck rides the bus to NYC in "Midnight Cowboy", he had WABC on his transistor. Which station would he used if they did LA? THey used no radio background for Miami. Must have figured WQAM and WFUN had no national brand recognition. Besides, Ratso was dead.

I know----dumb question
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And the funny thing is, they used neither Ingram nor Brucie for that scene. Must've been those Hollywood types that
were unaware of which jocks were most dominant.
 
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Blink, blink, blink.

Every market has formats that are duds, or wear out (CD 101.9) or get fragged by competiton. The issue is the competitive array in each market and how well an individual station can do. There is really no such thing as a safe format... if a station needs to repostion, they will do some kind of format search research and see where there are holes or vulnerabilites in the market and go after whatever the biggest potential seems to lie. For that to work, not only the research has to be good, but so does the interpretation and implementation and promotion and talent and so on.
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clearly but are there more underperforming stations in LA or NY?
 
Well Jeff, I agree with your signature as well as 99.5 as well as La Kalle 105.9 is wasted and needs a power boost. Those 3 are definitely underpeforming. Many have said time and time again that 92.3 K-Rock should call it quits, but I doubt that'll happen before the PPMs roll out. Fresh 102.7 should be bulldozed to make way for WNEW's return from the HD2 channel.
 
Jeffrey said:
clearly but are there more underperforming stations in LA or NY?
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LA has more in-the-Metro Class A's which do not cover the whole market. while some are comboed or tromboed, a number underperform. In NYC, the A's are either at the fringe of the MSA or outside it, so there are very few marginal FMs.

NY has 23 viable FMs while LA has 30, so the shares are more fragmented.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Jeffrey said:
clearly but are there more underperforming stations in LA or NY?
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LA has more in-the-Metro Class A's which do not cover the whole market. while some are comboed or tromboed, a number underperform. In NYC, the A's are either at the fringe of the MSA or outside it, so there are very few marginal FMs.

NY has 23 viable FMs while LA has 30, so the shares are more fragmented.
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Actually, that's only partly true. 92.7 is in Queens and the White Plains and Stamford, CT Class A stations are about to move into NYC as well.
What NYC does have that L.A. does not is a top 15 market imbedded within it-Nassau/Suffolk, NY (Long Island). That market is where a lot of the class A stations are.

You have to realize that most of the FM's in Los Angeles are grandfathered class B stations which run FAR more power then the 650 watts they would be running fron Mount Wilsion as conforming class B stations. The NYC FM's are pretty much ALL conforming class B stations.
 
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