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Who gets it now? The future of radio....

Hard truths. And tough to hear. Most of the posts here in the last 2 to 10 years are IRRELEVANT, because they don't get close to the real issue, which is the future of "radio" as we know it.

The sad reality is that most posters here aren't thinking big picture. They're all mostly concerned about personnel moves, and which morning show is on top, and how does this affect Q100, etc...you know the drill. But the reality is that people like Tim Westergren, the founder of Pandora (and someone I had breakfast with at the Silver Skillet on 17th St. 3 years ago, and who's a class act and a good guy) is smarter than me or you. HE HAS OUR NUMBER. That's a fact.

"Radio" people, particularly those in music formats, continue to live in the bubble i.e. "we have product, we push to transmitter, it loads on car radio, we win" paradigm. That's all going to change, and fast, with Internet in the car--meaning streaming from anywhere. Because when people have ultimate choice, and you, you're a music station--you're DEAD as compared to other services that deliver it cleaner and better and faster and with fewer BS interruptions than you ever can.

Radio isn't radio. It's unique content, available ubiquitously. If you don't understand that, get out of the way so others who do can fill your role.

Parenthetically--if you've spent the last 10 years using your radio station web site to promote your on-air product, you're an idiot. AN IDIOT. And I work with radio people daily who do this, and I'm so ready to put the gun in my mouth and pull the trigger. Because, that never mattered, and matters less now. What matters is presenting your product in a way that creates VALUE for accessing the IP address. Do you offer deep audio archives? Unique content? Available ubiquitously, across all devices, with easy access? If not, you're DEAD, because you've spent the last 10 years using your web site as a promotional vehicle for the on-air product that is increasingly irrelevant!

And the sad part is, you've lost your shot despite warnings from...um..10 years ago. Check out what Larry Rosin was saying, Edison Media Research. Look it up. But Nooooooooooooo, you've got to "protect" the on air product.

And--do you read Mark Ramsey? Do you know who he is? If not--get smart, now. If you don't, you'll be out of a job in the next 5 years, guaranteed.

Back about 1905, there was a universally recognized 100% the best buggy whip manufacturer, who spent countless dollars making sure people knew that if they bought buggy whips from them, those whips would be the best, and greatest, and would last forever. And you know the owner of that company was fat and happy, 'cause they manufactured the highest quality buggy whips.

Get it?
 
I'm so happy the younger generation is OK about paying for bandwidth.
Us old farts who enjoy having radio do all the hard work of deciding what to air may not love commercials, but we know it
pays the transmitter bill, and we never get a bill for radio reception.
When I pay for music, I expect to get my own copy of a recording, paying to listen is insane, except for a jukebox in a bar.

It'll Be a long time before all them little wi-fis go all the places I want go.
I tried streaming through a laptop into the car radio, and the buffering and dropping is more than I care to fight with.
Probably I could put a 3G antenna on the roof of the car, and maybe it will work OK in the city, but it still won't help at the beach, etc.
Don't suggest I listen on a mobile phone, it's simply not acceptable.
I'm not bringing a laptop to the beach even if there WERE signal there.

Radio is everywhere and it's going to be a long time before any short-hop distribution systems can deliver the coverage of radio.
 
Tom Wells said:
I'm so happy the younger generation is OK about paying for bandwidth.
Us old farts who enjoy having radio do all the hard work of deciding what to air may not love commercials, but we know it
pays the transmitter bill, and we never get a bill for radio reception.
When I pay for music, I expect to get my own copy of a recording, paying to listen is insane, except for a jukebox in a bar.

It'll Be a long time before all them little wi-fis go all the places I want go.
I tried streaming through a laptop into the car radio, and the buffering and dropping is more than I care to fight with.
Probably I could put a 3G antenna on the roof of the car, and maybe it will work OK in the city, but it still won't help at the beach, etc.
Don't suggest I listen on a mobile phone, it's simply not acceptable.
I'm not bringing a laptop to the beach even if there WERE signal there.

Radio is everywhere and it's going to be a long time before any short-hop distribution systems can deliver the coverage of radio.

Thanks for your response, and I hope you have alternative employment in mind. Do you honestly think that the technological issues you raise won't be licked within a short period of time I mean, really? Look back over the LAST 10 years to see how many issue have been solved, and then project forward. But NO, you want to put your head in the sand...right? "Them little wi fis". I love competing against people like you.

Good luck moving forward.
 
Wow, ck, classy posts to say the least... ::)

- I'll be sure to tell all my friends who live on a tight budget that Internet radio in automobiles is about to make the terrestrial radio industry spontaneously combust. More than 60 percent of Americans drive a vehicle that's at least seven years old, according to the National Automobile Dealers Association. The majority of people don't fall into the "early adopter" category when it comes to new technologies, so for them, rushing out to retrofit their cars with Internet radios is going to be an extremely tough sell.
- The kind of bandwidth necessary to facilitate Internet radio listening in cars still doesn't exist on a mass-market level. There's a lot of truth to those Verizon ads showing AT&T's lack of 3G coverage, for example. Our nation's wireless providers are about to deploy 4G, which could pave the way for Internet devices in cars, but don't expect a 4G network to be fully deployed for a long, long time.
- But most importantly, Pandora and other Web-based music streamers aren't local! Pandora is a fine app and quite enjoyable for its users, but keep in mind that its free usage is limited (40 hours per month) and certainly not substantial enough for someone to enjoy on a daily commute. Where's the local weather forecast? Where's the local headlines on my morning drive? What's the cause of the traffic jam I'm in? Pandora can't tell me that.

You make some good points about radio station Web sites but in my opinion, you're making some grandiose assumptions about a form of media that's still in its infancy. To be sure, Internet media is growing -- but it's far too soon for terrestrial radio to wave the white flag. So calm down for now and keep spinnin' the hits. :)
 
I love playing the luddite sometimes. My employment in technical support, troubleshooting, etc, spans the whole range from
stone knives and bearskins to network issues and everything electrical and electronic in between.

All methods and modes have their weak points. No problem here with adopting new technologies, but
I feel free to criticize any tech that puports to be "the new replacement" for something that works really well.
The new tech may or may not recognize what I find to be the most valuable features of the old tech.

I pay for a wireless card and access for this laptop, but if I really want to stream a station to listen to,
I'll patch the audio into my part 15 AM and listen on one of the very hi-fidelity AM radios I own.

Improvements to wifi coverage and speed will someday come, but it will never undo all busy-busy crunching computers must do
to stream data. Analog radio works passively, and that's a HUGE advantage. Radio also only requires 1 transmitter to serve an almost unlimited number of receivers. The distribution system is UP, it's built out, paid for, and as much as we've been trying to pollute it with
uncontrolled noismakers for more than a few decades, it's still working.

Regarding the kinks in new technology, many don't get worked out. Lamp dimmers and all devices which switch current on and off
on the AC create noise which diminishes the usefulness of all RF.
So no, I don't think all the technical issues will get worked out when such a glaring technical issue as this has not even been addressed
and the issue is about 40 years old.

Any technology that plans to replace radio for me needs to work as well or better than radio, and that includes AM skywave.
If it's truly better, I would expect it to use less power, be MORE reliable, cost less to buy, not be a proprietary system,
and deliver better sound. And it would be run by knobs and switches with dedicated functions, not multifunction pushbuttons.
I will not "navigate" through a user interface happily simply because that's the cheapest way to manufacture something.
I do not enjoy presets or step ( and wait for muting) tuning, but very much enjoy tuning across the dial on an analog radio, instantaneously hearing each new station presented.
New technology gave us AM radios that cannot be tuned. They can select quantized steps, which (on AM) do not allow one to
side tune an AM signal to avoid splatter or iboc hiss, or to avoid frequency distortion caused by not allowing the full audio passband
that was transmitted. Side tuning, if the IF an detector of the radio permits, allows higher frequencies to be heard than if center tuned.
So there's another pice of new tech I'm wating for them to get the bugs worked out of.
Also these newer AM radios have no tuned RF amp ahead of the converter, so sensitivity and selectivity suffers.
New tech is actively ignoring the benefits and advantages of the old tech, and has nothing better to offer.

Marketing people just want people to want the new thing, they don't care if it's better or worse that what it replaces, just so it sells.
As an engineer, I'm not so easily fooled.
I bought 2 iboc radios, and while the noise iboc makes is truly abominable on analog, the reliabilty and artifacts of the HD audio is
poor enough that I gave up trying to use the one in the house. The one in my wife's car never gets used on HD, as
she pretty much listens to college FMs with no HD.
They've had a number of years to do better, but still can't seem to keep the digital from impacting the analog.
So my view of technology is "hopeful" but cautious, practical and critical.
 
Wow. A very interesting post. Here's my personal experience as a radio listener since I left the business a couple years ago. With no real reason to listen, I found myself wondering WHY I'm listening. When it got down to it, there wasn't really a compelling reason to listen to all the chatter to get to the music.

At home, I'd listen to one of the music channels on cable. If I was in my car during Boortz I would listen, but otherwise it was XM or CD's. If I needed the basic local news and info I know where to go, then it's back to music.

I'm a little late to the game with Pandora, and now that's all I listen to. At home I hit my 40 hour limit about mid-month and don't have a problem paying 99 cents to listen for the rest of the month. 12 bucks a year? Yeah. Now in the car, I'm tired of XM and always play Pandora on my iPhone through the aux input on my dashboard. Yes, I'm an early adopter, and no, MOST cars don't have the aux jack, but it IS the future, and the future is here now.

I'm thankful I got to work in radio during its best years. The gatekeepers now will not fix it, or don't know how.
 
Looking from the outside in...

--It sounds like any remaining niche music formats will be eaten alive, as this is where Internet radio really shines.
--Will we see more localized content on FM (news, talk, sports, full-service, etc.)?
--Will the AM band be left behind as this content moves to FM?
--Will this result in the cleanup of the AM band, making clear and regional channels more meaningful again?
--Will we see greater homogenizing of formats?
--Along those lines, will we have a redux of the mid-1980s when six different FMs (WQXI-FM 94.1, WPCH 94.9, WFOX 97.1, WSB-FM 98.5, WLTA/WRMM/WARM 99.7, and 106.7) were all trying to get ahold of the lucrative AC market?
--Will ethnic (urban, country, Latino, etc.), teen (CHR, active rock), and fogey (oldies, classic hits, maybe even standards/MOYL) formats prevail to the detriment of highbrow formats (AAA, classical) and formats aimed towards those young enough to be "wired" but old enough to have money (classic/heritage rock, alternative, 80s hits). The gist here is will radio primarily target those who are unable or unwilling to pay out of pocket for music?
--Will BM or smooth jazz come back as a "free" replacement for Muzak? Or will PPM pretty much keep environmental formats off the air?
 
Don't work in radio and never have... just an interested consumer. I am somewhat of an early adopter, but still see little reason to listen to local radio. In 20 years of commuting in metro atlanta, I can count on one hand the times that a traffic report saved me five minutes -- so that means I have listened to an awful lot of Captain Herb and Keith Kalland (may he RIP) for little return. I no longer fit into the "under 50" demographic so most of the advertisements are not targeted to me -- how much time would I be wasting if I listened to the ads? A dollar a month for Pandora or XM? I'll gladly give up a cup of coffee a month to be able to listen to music that I want to listen to. I listened to one of "my" stations on Pandora yesterday for 5 hours and never heard a song that I didn't care to hear. I believe that the CEO of Blockbuster just a few years ago was more concerned about the DVD-HD vs. Blu-ray debate than he was about people streaming movies to their televisions over the internet -- how's that working out for him? I drive by four vacant Blockbuster stores daily on my daily drive.

From my perspective, the only long-term hope for local radio is local content -- more news, more LOCAL talk, current affairs with some sports scores and weather thrown in. I'd probably only listen for around an hour a day -- but that would be an hour more than I do now.
 
Video killed the radio star.... radio's been dead before...

But I do agree, that analog radio should go the way of the AT computer and the IBM PC jr.. It was a HUGH mistake on the FCC's part not to mandate an all digital format for radio that could cross digital platforms easily.

IMHO, I thnink most of the comercial radio market will be reduced by 60% in thext 15 years and only the most powerfull and well programmed stations will still be on the air. I fear most AM stations will be dark in the next 10 years, with the exception of the 50 Kw clears and 25 Kw and above regionals.

The only thing that would change all of this would be a CME from the sun... :D
 
jabba17 said:
--Will ethnic (urban, country, Latino, etc.), teen (CHR, active rock), and fogey (oldies, classic hits, maybe even standards/MOYL) formats prevail to the detriment of highbrow formats (AAA, classical) and formats aimed towards those young enough to be "wired" but old enough to have money (classic/heritage rock, alternative, 80s hits). The gist here is will radio primarily target those who are unable or unwilling to pay out of pocket for music?

Country is an ethnic format!!?? ???

G
 
As a footnote to this thread: Was listening to Pandora this morning and one of their quickie ads for the upgraded service came on. It said: "Pandora is the best way to listen to radio". So not only have they stolen listeners, they took the name too!
 
Yes, we all know that that soccer mom will NOT put up with, even while driving the kids to daycare, any music that she did not PERSONALLY download and play drums om. Soon everyone will only listen to an internet station with their own blend of Death Country Metal Disco Polka. I read it on Radio-Info, it must be true.
 
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