Who got "fall behind" time change right? Who got it wrong?

[radiojohno]

Sunday, November 4 at 2:00a was, of course, when clocks were to have moved back an hour to return to standard time. Who got it right? Which stations forgot?

When I woke up at 6:00a to the Rocket 95.7/WSHP Lafayette, only music was playing -- not the "ViewPoints" syndicated program as should have been (which I assume mistakenly aired at 5:00a). I flipped over to ESPN 1450/WASK Lafayette and the "Raceday" program was airing, as was correct for the hour.

At 7:00a, 920 WBAA/West Lafayette aired "To The Best Of Our Knowledge," which is the correct time. I flipped back to Rocket 95.7/WSHP and "The Classics" came on the air -- which should not have aired until 8:00a.

Obviously, WASK (Schurz) and WBAA (Purdue) got the time change right while WSHP (AMP) flubbed it.

 

[skippertthomas]

...Of course, we of ol'German Indiana can't decide what we want in the southwestern Counties... Perry stays with Evansville, but Knox, Daviess, Martin and Dubois go back with Indy.. Stupid.. Kids get to school in the dark and those of us in the Central Counties have to revaluate our officiating contracts (sports refs) because from here on out, those counties will be one hour ahead, yet in the Evansville ADI, NOT INDY... I can't leave work at 3m to do a ballgame 1 to 2 hours north... Then they cry they can't get enough refs to their high school event.. AND then they cry when the Central Schools won't move varsity games up to 6m, because its a school night and their kids don't need to be on the road that late... Yet, the mall parking lot has every county prefix from the rebel counties and they don't complain about being an hour ahead.. The old 'no time change days of the Indiana EST counties is gone'.. This will screw with Toyota, Whirlpool, the mines and our University Students that live on the line and commute... Geez... We Hoosier mess things up, good... If the DOT had the guts, they'd would have stuck to their guns and tell those added to the Central counties, last year, to wait 3 to 5 years and see how it works.. Politics and Time Zones...... Vincennes, Jasper and Washington.. EVANSVILLE is your closest and main ADI, not Louisville or Indy.. Heck? You can't even get to Indy by interstate.. And they keep ranting about if they need I-69... I'll make a deal with the rebel counties, 'give me I-69 and I will let you set your clocks to any time zone on the globe'!... Ha! ;D

 

[Flying-Dutchman]

Most important! All stations need to set the clocks on their EAS unit to the correct time.

 

[skippertthomas]

Thanks "Dutch".... Glad you reminded us...

 

[goldenoldie]

:-\ I can't believe you people from the state of Indiana are still talking about the time change and how to do, get a grip on life, it's not rocket science to turn your clocks ahead or back.

 

[MikeStandardsFromIndiana]

:-\ I can't believe you people from the state of Indiana are still talking about the time change and how to do, get a grip on life, it's not rocket science to turn your clocks ahead or back.

For some people Indiana time change is a culture shock since this was only the 2nd year we have done spring Foward/Fall back with Daylight savings time. LOL In fact my town forgot to set the air raid sirens test time clock back an hour. they always test the air raid sirens at Noon on Saturdays. today they tested them at 11am. in 2006 after Spring foward i remember 1 time it happened at 1pm LOL

 

[Timewarp]

:-\ I can't believe you people from the state of Indiana are still talking about the time change and how to do, get a grip on life, it's not rocket science to turn your clocks ahead or back.

In this modern world, it's computers that have the most trouble with this time change. But thanks
for pointing out that computers in Ohio and other states are smarter than Indiana computers.

 

[skippertthomas]

Just a note: Prior to the WWII farm time of no changing of the clock in 75% of Indiana, Indiana was a Central Time State.... That's what gets me.. Now, most of Indiana will not see sunlight until 8:am in the summer and darkness until 9 t 9:30pm in the summer evening... :-X

 

[BobOnTheJob]

Just a note: Prior to the WWII farm time of no changing of the clock in 75% of Indiana, Indiana was a Central Time State.... That's what gets me.. Now, most of Indiana will not see sunlight until 8:am in the summer and darkness until 9 t 9:30pm in the summer evening... :-X

At the risk of stirring up a hornet's nest that has been pretty quiet lately...I grew up in Cincinnati & moved 70 miles west in 1977. My very first thought was "Why in the name of heaven would people prefer an hour of daylight starting at 5:15AM when they are probably asleep instead of an hour of daylight at 8:15PM when virtually everyone is awake to enjoy it?". After nearly 30 years of wasted precious outdoor time, I FINALLY get my turn to enjoy it. I do concede that it's not good for AM stations who, in that first few days of November, are stuck with night facilities until 8:30AM. Except for allowing kids to Trick or Treat in safer daylight conditions, I don't see the benefit of the extra week in the fall. Perhaps that was even a factor in WIBC moving to FM. As far as where Indiana belongs in the time zone scheme, that's simple. Draw a line from the Central/Eastern border on the Gulf Of Mexico to the same point on the Canadian border & you'll see that except for greater Evansville, the rest of Indiana is clearly on the Eastern side. Fact is, Chicago also belongs in the Eastern zone.

 

[justalurker]

Just a note: Prior to the WWII farm time of no changing of the clock in 75% of Indiana, Indiana was a Central Time State.... That's what gets me.. Now, most of Indiana will not see sunlight until 8:am in the summer and darkness until 9 t 9:30pm in the summer evening... :-X

Now? From 1969 through 2005 most of Indiana was on Eastern Time. Prior to that the state was divided down the middle (1961) with Indy going Eastern. The Governor asked for "all central" in 1967 which led to the 1969 ruling making even more of the state Eastern.

Indiana refused to honor daylight saving time ... illegally until 1972 when Congress allowed states to opt out. Until 2005 all the moves were made AWAY from Central Time ... and even after these past confusing years only two counties have moved back to Central (with most bouncing to Central for a time and then back to Eastern).

"Now, most of Indiana will not see sunlight until 8:am in the summer"? Nope. The sun is up before 8am ET most of the year - especially during summer.

 

[MikeStandardsFromIndiana]

Just a note: Prior to the WWII farm time of no changing of the clock in 75% of Indiana, Indiana was a Central Time State.... That's what gets me.. Now, most of Indiana will not see sunlight until 8:am in the summer and darkness until 9 t 9:30pm in the summer evening... :-X

During summer when im getting ready for work at 6am it seems to be daylight to me

 

[BobOnTheJob]

Just a note: Prior to the WWII farm time of no changing of the clock in 75% of Indiana, Indiana was a Central Time State.... That's what gets me.. Now, most of Indiana will not see sunlight until 8:am in the summer and darkness until 9 t 9:30pm in the summer evening... :-X

During summer when im getting ready for work at 6am it seems to be daylight to me

Same here...Another benefit I failed to mention is that most AM's who rely on Pre-Sunrise came out well. Of the 5 AM's I care for, 3 have 500 watts or higher from 6AM-9:15PM in June & July. That's an extra 61 hours of good coverage in just 2 months. That benefit exists for all DST months. If, on the other hand, we would have landed in the Central zone, those stations would be sentenced to a 4:15PM sign off in December...from my days on the air, seems like December was a sold out month. A 4:15PM sign off would have been very costly. I feel sorry for daytime only AM stations with Pre-Sunrise in eastern Illinois and Evansville. They are at a significant disadvantage through no fault of their own.

 

[justalurker]

The FCC is still having issues with the national time change (extending DST into March and November).

 

[skippertthomas]

Good points, Bob... But we never have to go below 4:45 in November/December in the east end of the Central Time Zone... And now the former EST, year around time counties WILL have to observe EDST in the warm months.. I do like the fact that the four extra weeks of DST helps ALL OF US running AM's.. I would like to know how to get Pre-Dawn at 6:am on all months in affect.. We are religated to up powers to half/pre-dawn settings between 6 and 6:30am (not always 6, local AM time)... But, I do like that part.... 8)

 

[BobOnTheJob]

Good points, Bob... But we never have to go below 4:45 in November/December in the east end of the Central Time Zone... And now the former EST, year around time counties WILL have to observe EDST in the warm months.. I do like the fact that the four extra weeks of DST helps ALL OF US running AM's.. I would like to know how to get Pre-Dawn at 6:am on all months in affect.. We are religated to up powers to half/pre-dawn settings between 6 and 6:30am (not always 6, local AM time)... But, I do like that part.... 8)

FCC December sunset in Central Indiana is 5:15. I think Lousiville may be at 5:30. If you are at 5:45 (4:45 CST), you are somewhat less impacted than I would have guessed. Pre-Sunrise powers are highly variable depending on your channel. Three of my clients have 500 watts from 6AM to local sunrise. One has 13 watts and uses it (that one has 4.6 watts at night and successfully uses it). The other one has about 11 watts pre-sunrise & 2 watts post sunset & at night. What are your morning power levels in December?

 

[skippertthomas]

One of my clients has a nice allocation.. 1 watt at dusk (rely on good internet coverage), but we go to 335 watts pre-dawn (which is half of our 670 watts daytime power)... I give the Davis family credit, when they got this one, before selling it to Faith Ministries....I've got a double relay hooked to a two setting timer.. They both click 'on' at dusk and then the first triggers off at pre-dawn, while the other stays on until sunrise, then it goes off and the Harris box goes from half to full power...

 

[smedge2006]

As far as where Indiana belongs in the time zone scheme, that's simple. Draw a line from the Central/Eastern border on the Gulf Of Mexico to the same point on the Canadian border & you'll see that except for greater Evansville, the rest of Indiana is clearly on the Eastern side.

The longitude of Mexico Beach, Florida, on the Gulf of Mexico, where the Central Time Zone begins is
85° 29' W

The longitude of Indianapolis: 86' 08" W.

Not a fair comparison anyway, since the farther south you go, the earlier the sun rises in fall and winter. Sunrise in Mexico Beach today is around 6:08 AM Central (7:08 AM Eastern). You could put everything east of Pensacola on EST and never have to worry about 8 a.m. sunrises.

 

[justalurker]

Look how far across Eastern Time goes across Michigan's UP!