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[rbrucecarter5]

I didn't mean to offend. I was replying to you, but also several other posts above. I was too lazy to paste the "quote" tags for the others.

The longer I am in this walk with Christ, the more tolerant I am of other people's method of worship. I realize the broader purpose for all the different denominations - everybody is free to worship in a way that is most meaningful to themselves / deepens their personal walk. They want a KJV-only / hymn experience, they got lots of choices. So do I - to worship in the way that deepens my walk with Christ.

I differ with anybody who tries to impose their way of worship on someone else. Somebody doesn't like my radio show - there were 99 other frequencies available on FM, and of course their own collection of hymns. Somebody doesn't like my church, it causes them a problem because of the style rock of music or fundamentalist doctrine - I hope they do walk out rather than have a stumbling block.

It is when somebody posts tirades on the web saying myself and people like me are somehow "wrong" for worshipping the way we do, using the Bible translation I use, or whatever their issue is. I don't post tirades against them - they are deepening their walk in the way that seems best to them. I only want to leave them alone, and want to be left alone as well. They won't let the issue be settled peacefully, they want a fight. I won't give them one. I simply post scriptural and logical counters to every one of their straw man arguments, so people who feel as I do won't be on a guilt trip unnecessarily.

 

[anotherguyTN]

There is one thing that churches that advertise that they're KJV only does. It lets me know upfront that I won't be considering them as a potential church for me and my family. We're actually looking for a new church at the present time, and there are some KJV only churches that I've ruled out because they advertised it. I agree with Bruce that I'd rather stay away from that type of church because I would probably cause too much division. But I guess you can credit them for being honest about what they believe, although I definitely believe they're wrong.

I've said it before, but I hope that when KJVO's and the anti-CCM types get to Heaven that their next door neighbor turns out to be a long haired, NIV toting Christian rock singer. ;D

 

[justalurker]

I didn't mean to offend. I was replying to you, but also several other posts above. I was too lazy to paste the "quote" tags for the others.

Thanks for the explaination.

I've said it before, but I hope that when KJVO's and the anti-CCM types get to Heaven that their next door neighbor turns out to be a long haired, NIV toting Christian rock singer. ;D

I'm less concerned about the heavenly neighbor than the neighborhood. ;D

 

[neutralobserver]

This post tells me that you've never actually worked at a Christian radio station.

That's correct and isn't some secret.

But it's not even really important. Note that I said "in real life." I'm pointing out that you almost have to go looking for these types. To the vast, vast, vast, vast, vast, vast majority, these people are unseen and absolutely irrelevant.

Consider yourself lucky it that is true.

It's true, and, with association being a voluntary thing, I don't think "luck" is a factor. I don't know where to find any specific such groups and never look for them.

You apparently didn't read the articles I posted links to...

That's correct, but I mean no offense by it. I just consider these people to be so few, insignificant, and dying off every day that I don't have to think about them. When I'm investing time in reading, it's about where things and people are now and are going, not some irrelevant-to-the-future place where some tiny sects were.

Take a look at them and see if anti-CCM stations don't exist....Also, here are some links to some KJV Only (and anti-CCM) stations...These stations are both owned by a KJV Only independent Baptist church....Or how about these stations that I found in a search:

You're proving my point...you're talking about making a search for small, isolated instances. Why do it? Why bother? These groups are already irrelevant and become more so every day.

These are the kinds of stations that have caused CCM to have a hard time being accepted until recent years in many areas.

You're thinking music preference is top-down. If that were true, Elvis never would have caught on. People make their own music decisions...they like what they like, and CCM has been "accepted" by its audience regardless of what some sects have said (even if they did own the sticks). In the free market of commerce or ideas, everything is bottom-up.

Thankfully, these types are in the extreme minority, but they are very vocal and can definitely cause major problems in churches.

Why deal with them? Kick them out or walk away and shake the dust off.

Is that enough proof they exist?

I didn't say they didn't exist; I said I'd never come across these people in real life.

 

[MightyFrenchman]

Since you've confirmed that you've never worked at a Christian radio station, you're not in a position to evaluate it, consult it or judge it. As far as how many anti-CCM, KJV-only people there are, it really depends upon which area of the country you live.

This post tells me that you've never actually worked at a Christian radio station.

That's correct and isn't some secret.

I'm pointing out that you almost have to go looking for these types. To the vast, vast, vast, vast, vast, vast majority, these people are unseen and absolutely irrelevant.

 

[justalurker]

Since you've confirmed that you've never worked at a Christian radio station, you're not in a position to evaluate it, consult it or judge it. As far as how many anti-CCM, KJV-only people there are, it really depends upon which area of the country you live.

Listeners evaluate, consult and judge their stations on a daily basis. Sometimes they do this quietly with polite comments at remotes, phone calls or emails. Other times it can get louder with nasty correspondence and calls and even campaigns against a station. I wouldn't blow it all off with a "they never worked in radio".

It is interesting to note what background the comment is coming from -- someone who never had to solve the problems they find with radio -- but even someone who worked at a station doesn't nessisarily understand all of the challenges of keeping one running. There are days when I'd rather have a listener consult the station and tell us what to do than a once part-time jock who may be bitter that he never got a shot at the big time.

This thread is about a major international religious broadcast ministry ... it would be a fair guess to say that few would be happy having it's leaders consult at any station we are associated with - espacially a CCM.

 

[neutralobserver]

Since you've confirmed that you've never worked at a Christian radio station, you're not in a position to evaluate it, consult it or judge it.

That's strange...at the conferences I've been to, Christian radio people found my questions and comments insightful because they were coming from outside. I talked one-on-one with possibly most of the people in attendance, and one record exec almost didn't let me get dinner eaten for wanting me to talk nonstop about my perspective on the music biz.

Christian programmers today recognize that most Christians don't even listen to Christian radio, want to understand why, want to learn what appeals to them, and so on. They're happy to have the perspective of those who've done other things.

All that aside, there is no logic to your statement. The obvious analogue would be, "Doctor, since you've never had cancer, you're in no position to observe it, diagnose it, or treat it." Silliness.

As far as how many anti-CCM, KJV-only people there are, it really depends upon which area of the country you live.

The actual number is irrelevant; what matters is that they're few and getting fewer with every day's obituaries. If they force themselves across your path, thank them for their "rare, increasingly unique" perspective and move on.

 

[rbrucecarter5]

Christian programmers today recognize that most Christians don't even listen to Christian radio, want to understand why, want to learn what appeals to them, and so on. They're happy to have the perspective of those who've done other things.

NO ONE has ever bothered to ask me. I actually programmed a show - a highly rated one - on a station most people didn't even know existed the rest of the week. I must have been doing something right. But every time I talk about programming to kids, I get one of these:

--- Kids won't send money to a Christian station to support rock
--- Kids don't make the money, their parents do

Why then do the local hip hop and pop stations run commercial after commercial aimed at kids? Could it be they are the kids of RICH parents and they go to the mall shopping all the time? I see flocks of them out there all the time. Seems to me the Christian stations ought to find a way to cash in on that disposable income those kids are carrying.

Or I get:

--- the 25 to 52 soccer mom demographic. My wife is 50 - she and all her friends don't listen to the big local CCM soccer mom station: they play too many boring songs. She is on the local oldies station, at least their music is FUN. As for the lower end, every one of the women I know in their 20's and 30's NEVER listen to the soccer mom station. They are on the local Christian rock station, or some secular station. Of course that is not scientific, so I can be ignored. The soccer mom demographic may be out there, I've never met them. And there are thousands of members in my church.

Or I get some arrogant post about

--- "I own a station so I know how to program a station better than you because all you've done is a show". Of course - I got good ratings. VERY good ratings. On a station nobody even listened to the rest of the week. The local DJ at the top 40 station listened while he did his own show. If I had programmed the station full time - I would have been getting large sharathons and paid some bills that probably are overdue at the place. What are the ratings at the average CCM station?

Or I get some etherial post about spirituality and being separate from the world - its supposed to be about ministry and not money or ratings, God will reach people. Of course its a horrible witness when bills go unpaid. And I'll repeat my equation: RATINGS = POTENTIAL SALVATION = SUPPORT MONEY It is a ministry, but the very nature of it means it is also a business. And a business has to make money to survive.

 

[neutralobserver]

I've read back over a number of posts, and I'd like to declare this thread insane.

Posters are generally not following the topic or replying to each other, writing their autobiographies or manifestos instead. Basic vocabulary, basic principles, and roles and duties in the field are obviously not understood.

Seeming like a hopeless cause, this is very frustrating. I understand why previous regulars no longer appear and the few that remain try to post sparingly. It's disappointing and sad.