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Who is the Delaware Valley's Worst Talk Show Host?

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fredflintstone

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Contrary to what some are suggesting here, this is not an open-and-shut case. There are plenty of viable candidates and most have been discussed (with the emphasis on "dis" ) on this site.

Here are the nominees:

  • Darryl Berger (WNPV)
  • Robert Henson (WCOJ)
  • Irv Homer (recently departed WBCB)
  • RJ - Ron Joseph (WNWR)
  • George Moore (WSNJ)
  • Michael Smerconish (WPHT)
  • Pat Wandling (WBCB)
  • John Watson (WILM)

Please feel free to add your own nominees.

My vote goes to John Watson. Even his main supporter on this site says he finds Watson's constant interruption of his callers and guests annoying. He interrupts when they point out something he doesn't know about. If he hasn't heard about it can't have happened. Since his show prep is mostly limited to USA Today, there is a good deal he has not heard about. His show includes daily doses of the same regular callers, including several political activists whom Watson cuts off when they being to show him up. He argues with absolute certainty based on being consistently uninformed.
 
Before I can answer, I need to know:

Is the bar to be set higher for a major-market "talent" versus one on a 1000-watt community station? I think it's reasonable to expect more from a six-figure earner on a big-time station than from a local person doing the token "open phones" program on a tiny town lightbulb...

As far as "worst", are we talking about the host's ability/inability to do "good radio" (i.e. "a bad broadcaster), or is it to be a judgment on the quality of discussion? (For example, I find it difficult to listen to a host with an annoying voice-- but he may be one heckuva bright guy who knows his stuff.)
 
George Brusstar said:
Before I can answer, I need to know:

Is the bar to be set higher for a major-market "talent" versus one on a 1000-watt community station? I think it's reasonable to expect more from a six-figure earner on a big-time station than from a local person doing the token "open phones" program on a tiny town lightbulb...

As far as "worst", are we talking about the host's ability/inability to do "good radio" (i.e. "a bad broadcaster), or is it to be a judgment on the quality of discussion? (For example, I find it difficult to listen to a host with an annoying voice-- but he may be one heckuva bright guy who knows his stuff.)

You are free to use your own criteria. After all, this is just a message board.

From an industry viewpoint, major market talent may be hired/fired on different standards but to the listener, it's all radio. If you want to create two radio razzies categories for major and minor stations, go ahead. The only major station talent on the list is Smerconish, so he would win that one by default.

IMHO: If you find it difficult to listen, that seems to rule out somebody as a good talk show host. A bright guy with an annoying voice should be working in the print media. I think you answered your own question. No way not to be subjective on this.
 
I nominate Rick Jensen from WDEL. While he does know his stuff, his interviews with people, political and non-political, always have an air of arrogance to them. Even when doing simple community interviews about local events, he comes off as a ass who couldn't care less.
 
I wish I could say Henson is the worst. But I'll be honest, I can't do that, because I'm not familiar with some of the folks on this list.

I like Berger. I've known him for several years, and he's a stand-up guy, respected by many. I've likewise known Michael Smerconish for many years, we've worked on many projects together, and the guy is very gifted.

I think it's a hoot that Smerconish and Henson appear on the same list. It reminds me of something you'd see on the SAT: Michael Smerconish is to Robert Henson as Babe Ruth is to ________ _________.

The correct answer is "Roger LaFrancois" (Red Sox bull pen catcher, 1982)
 
While RJ is absolutely horrible and a no-talent hack, the show is full of way too many priceless moments of hilarity to be considered the worst.

Suzanne LaFrankie is just flat out bad, so she gets my vote.
 
There's that evening host on wpht who doesn't mind saying he was valedictorian of his high school-horrible voice and horribly boring. I don't recall the name. I don't listen to TR that often.
 
Nice people can be terrible talk show hosts - and the other way around.
Really two separate questions.

I don't know Jensen personally but I've heard from those who have worked from him. Their description sounds like LT's description of him on the air. That said, as a solo host his show was slick and well-produced. But something I can quite put my finger on made it hard to listen for longer periods of time. He's easier to take with Fulcher.

Smerconish, I agree, sucks - and not well. He has a voice for silent movies. He screws up and he berates his staff on the air making him come off as a petty little tyrant. And he's a lawyer and he lives down to your worst expectations of lawyers.
 
fredflintstone said:
  • George Moore (WSNJ)

Why would you lump George Moore (or anyone on WSNJ for that matter) into this list? He's a fixture in the community, especially with the older population in Cumberland and Salem Counties (no, I've never met the guy nor do I know anyone at WSNJ).

WSNJ/WMVB is community-oriented radio at its best - no slick, overdone production, programming that super-serves the area, no consultants, no big menu of forced national programming "just to clear a name" or to satisfy the parent company to jack-up the national rate card.
 
I'm glad someone beat me to the punch on the matter...eatspaste, thank you. The pick of George, by everyone's favorite native of Bedrock, seemingly came out of left field. It's like the old Sesame Street game of "Which One of These Is Not Like The Other?", almost as if George was mentioned just because or even as a jab to the station.

Allow me to defend my colleague: George serves his audience quite well, as was alluded to, with a plain delivery and nothing fancy. I've produced his morning "Hotline" show dozens of times and unlike some talk personalities, he actual allows the callers to speak their mind virtually uninterrupted (unless the call threatens of course to bump out CNN News on the half hour). He's down home, has a folksy personality, and hence is fine for WSNJ. Is he in the leagues of a Smerconish or any of the other personalities FF nominated? No, and honestly he probably doesn't want/try to be. He does what he does with the audience he's capable of getting, and they've remained extremely loyal to him.
 
Everyone on the original list - except Smerconish - are heard on smaller "community" stations around the periphery of the Philadelphia market. Just like Robert Henson on WCOJ.

It is curious that WCOJ and WILM, two smaller peripheral stations, get a great deal of (often critical) attention here, while WNPV-Darryl Berger and WSNJ-George Moore get almost none (at least until now). From what has been posted here, neither has the kind of polished presentation associated with major market or syndicated talk radio. But both seem to fill a niche and have a following in contrast to other small stations and small station hosts discussed here.

Apparently the difference between a good host and a bad host is not just pipes, production and presentation. What differentiates small station good and bad hosts? If you accept the comments about Robert Henson (or John Watson) that have been posted lately, what could such hosts learn from the likes of Berger and Moore?
 
I enjoyed Jensen as a solo act, but have to agree that I could only listen for ten or fifteen minutes, then I would switch to something else. I cannot stand to listen to Fulcher, the voice drives me nuts.

When Smerconish first started afternoons at 1210, I listened regularly. But then following a contract issue he had with CBS, he seemed to change. I found myself unable to stand his show or his appearances on CNN. Now that he is on mornings, he is way too full of himself.

John Watson often comes across as seriously intolerant.

I guess the bottom line for me is I really do not care for local talk. I much prefer the national shows, which are far more entertaining even if the star of the show is a walking, talking horse's rear end.
 
It's curious how little many of these local hosts talk about anything local. Of course, that would require doing their own show prep instead of using some canned newsletter-website-crib sheet.

And while some may feel called up to defend friends or co-workers (no matter what), nothing is as deadly boring as those hosts who let people (often the same people) spout on - and on - without response, comment or questioning. They are at the opposite of extreme of small time hosts who like to beat up and cut off callers and both are terrible radio.

At the risk of rattling the cages of the Irv Homer fan club and drum beating society, I don't need a nasty curmudgeon droning on. He was supposed to have been a bar tender. I doubt it. Bartenders have listen and be agreeable. Irv sounds more like a geriatric version of Cliff Clavin. Same applies to Bob Grant.
 
fredflintstone said:
It is curious that WCOJ and WILM, two smaller peripheral stations, get a great deal of (often critical) attention here, while WNPV-Darryl Berger and WSNJ-George Moore get almost none (at least until now). From what has been posted here, neither has the kind of polished presentation associated with major market or syndicated talk radio. But both seem to fill a niche and have a following in contrast to other small stations and small station hosts discussed here.

In the case of WSNJ, the entire station is unique to the region - it's been serving Cumberland and Salem Counties since 1639 practically. Local news, local sports, local talk shows, swap & shop, and more. People in Lower Alloways Creek Twp. or Stow Creek Twp. don't care about lasers and sweepers under promos or high-priced talent yelling at them or being called "stupid!" by a show host. In an area that's ignored by big AM/FM/TV stations unless there's a quadruple murder, WSNJ super-serves these people.

Apparently the difference between a good host and a bad host is not just pipes, production and presentation. What differentiates small station good and bad hosts? If you accept the comments about Robert Henson (or John Watson) that have been posted lately, what could such hosts learn from the likes of Berger and Moore?

What makes a good host or a bad host? First, the station itself. What's its commitment to serving the community with a consistent product? When "something happens" are people rushing to a radio to turn to your station for information (and you don't need to be live 24/7 to accomplish this, nor do you need to be a news/talk station)? If you have to heavily rely on long-form brokered programming to either fill time or to meet the budget, then people will tune away in the long run. If your show hosts change every 4 months, you'll never build a bond with your listeners.

Say what you will about the finer points of programming or hard news, but in Philadelphia KYW is the "it's there for us" station that keeps it at the top of the ratings (granted, they have an advantage 'cause that's what they do around the clock). WSNJ is the "it's there for us" station in Cumberland and Salem (it isn't WVLT); 101.5 has it in the Trenton area (15 mile jam on the Turnpike - where do you go for info? It isn't WPRB).

Back to your question about what makes a good talk show host, they have to really know the area, know the people, know what's going on, know who's doing what. Not to bash WPHT, but Glenn Beck is just a guy giving an opinion and then people call in and agree or disagree for 20 seconds before you get disconnected. Is that serving the local audience? No. Why is he on WPHT? "Well, if 1210 clears the show, we can get more money per spot and we can make the sales packages look good with a big AM station in a major market and he's free so it won't cost the station anything."

The people who wake up every morning and go to work at these little suburban AM stations live in the area, they read the local paper, they talk to people in the stores. People call in, they don't yell at them, they don't hang-up on them, and in many cases the talk show host knows the callers on a first name basis - and they're not stalkers or shut-ins!

It's a shame that we all live in a booming metro area between Washington and New York where FM is king. You don't have to go too far outside of the big cities to see that quirky little AM and FM stations still exist to serve their audiences with programming that would make you drive off the road here in Philly!
 
Good analysis, Paste.

One thought. Most of your observations about WSNJ would also apply to WCOJ - even down to both stations having Swap Shops. So, why is WCOJ the Rodney Dangerfield of Delaware Valley radio? It was once a model of what a small station can be under the Lensfests and prior owners, and with the Art Douglas 40-year morning show. What's the difference that makes a difference here?

- Turn-over: WCOJ is a revolving door.
- Too close to Philly; too much competition from Philly stations. Maybe people in Chester County identify more with Philly than with the county.
- They abandoned Coatesville: This was not only their city of license, it was the core of their audience and coverage area. WCOJ is the only AM station with a better than moderate signal into Coatesville. They used to show up for anything and everything in Coatesville. Now they are in West Chester (with a terrible signal in the nighttime pattern). OK, maybe Coatesville has fallen on hard times but the station never established itself as a presence in West Chester (or East of West Chester) like they did around Coatesville.
- Local news is clipped from the paper or cuts from Radio Pa. And Jim Plummer thinks he will never see a news story as lovely as a tree. Part of the problem, many local sources regard WCOJ as irrelevant. People who won't return calls from WCOJ magically start falling all over themselves to get near a mic when KYW's suburban bureau shows up.
- They try to sound big-time and do a terrible job of it, possibly alienating listeners. If anybody needs a comedy coach its Robert Hensen, who comes off like somebody from bad student radio trying to imitate major market jocks. Small time radio is often destroyed by people trying to imitate something (or someone) with no real understanding of why that something works.
Ironically, Joe Thomas may have made the station sound better and in the process took away much of what was left of it's unique local character.

Not unique to WCOJ, this also applies to the two Wilmington talk stations, small stations know their unique niche is being local - and in attempting to be local they wallow in arcane minutiae which drives away listeners. They put on most anybody local who wants to be on the radio to promote their pet project or pet cause. They get into petty details of local government until the audience enters a catatonic state. They just don't know when to quit. And they often don't know how to select and present local material so it makes good radio.
 
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