On Small town stations they dont update much of anything. I sent in countless update notes about KVIC/KBAR and nothing they still say KBAR now rock, the old call sign top 40, which was hiphop, KVIC they still show hot AC which has been top 40 since 2002? KTXX still has format as Talk, which I sudmited a bunch of times that they are Spanish now that changed in 12/06. I think they could keep it more up to date than they do. ???
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Who updates stuff at Radio-locator?
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Yeah. Hot 97-3 has been on the air for over a year and still no updates on that.
For some odd reason there is a 92.1 listed on radio-locater...but there is no 92.1 in Lubbock. Nothing but staAtic.
Not much better in Amarillo. Ever since Amarillo got "jacked" it still shows KPRF as a Top 40 station.
The only thing they have really updated for Lubbock is by adding 94.1 and 99.1 to the list (the new Lubbock air 1 stations)
But radio-locater can be just as bad in some larger cities. For example, if you type in KRBV, it still says that its Wild 100.3, (from when KRBV was in Dallas until it got jacked.) but the station in LA is V100.
In Dallas, they still haven't updated the KZPS flip.
There are probably getting so many e-mails everyday about new station updates that they can only update so much.
For some odd reason there is a 92.1 listed on radio-locater...but there is no 92.1 in Lubbock. Nothing but staAtic.
Not much better in Amarillo. Ever since Amarillo got "jacked" it still shows KPRF as a Top 40 station.
The only thing they have really updated for Lubbock is by adding 94.1 and 99.1 to the list (the new Lubbock air 1 stations)
But radio-locater can be just as bad in some larger cities. For example, if you type in KRBV, it still says that its Wild 100.3, (from when KRBV was in Dallas until it got jacked.) but the station in LA is V100.
In Dallas, they still haven't updated the KZPS flip.
There are probably getting so many e-mails everyday about new station updates that they can only update so much.
Sheesh...I thought we'd beaten this one to death three years or so ago.
Here's the deal: Chip Kelley gave a tremendous gift to the radio community when he created 100kw a few years back. It was also a tremendous burden on his time and finances to keep the site running for free. You try keeping track of 18,000+ radio and TV stations - calls, formats, technical data, TV network affiliations, DTV status, and so on - and see how much of your day it eats up. (Oh, and while you're at it, create an entire database infrastructure to display all that data.)
After a couple of years of that daily grind - and keep in mind that for most of that time, Chip was also working a full-time job out of radio - he decided, very understandably, that he could no longer keep doing all that for free, and that he was going to shut the site down.
That would have been the end of the story (except that I'm sure there would have been the usual rush of hate mail from people who couldn't figure out that when you get something for free, you really don't have much standing to complain when it goes away).
The only reason it wasn't the end of the story, and the only reason there's still a 100kw today, is that at almost the last moment, Chip received and accepted a purchase offer, thus reaping a well-deserved reward for his hard work. Would you buy a labor-intensive site like 100kw for real, hard cash and then just give it away for free? Didn't think so.
The sale of 100kw, and its conversion into an actual money-making business from a labor of love, was the only way the site would continue to exist, and it should be noted that in spite of the nay-sayers at the time, 100kw is alive and well, and even thriving.
Two more points here: first, those bits of outdated information on Radio-Locator are not outdated on 100kw. Why? Because keeping track of all that data takes people, people have to be paid, and paying people costs money that has to come from somewhere. In the end, you really do get exactly what you pay for. (Which is no knock on Radio-Locator - that they are able to keep doing even as much as they're doing for free, plus or minus annoying pop-up ads, is a credit to their hard work, and it's unfortunate that they, too, end up getting more brickbats than bouquets for it.)
And second, there's absolutely nothing stopping anyone - especially those who would complain most loudly about 100kw surviving as a pay site - from doing exactly what Chip did when he created 100kw all those years ago. Pick a domain name, get some server space, write your own database software, and start compiling all that data. The engineering data's in the public domain from the FCC, so all you have to do is match each of those entries up with current format, slogan, network and market information - and then sit down every single day and make sure you've updated everything that's changed that day. Easy, right?
That nobody has done so in all the years since Chip did it (there's been, by my count, exactly one partial attempt at a TV-only version, which is perhaps 20% complete and way out of date after several years' effort) should stand as some kind of testimony to how much Chip gave the radio community during the years he was providing 100kw for free - and how little gratitude he's ever received for it, amidst all the grousing about its continued existence in the only form in which it could have continued to exist.
Once more, with feeling: there were only two options back then - the transformation of 100kw into an actual business, or the complete shutdown of the site. I get the distinct impression that there are some on the boards who really would have rather seen it shut down completely, and I don't understand that mindset at all.
(Disclaimer: Yes, I absolutely do work for 100kw, as news editor. I speak only for myself here.)
Here's the deal: Chip Kelley gave a tremendous gift to the radio community when he created 100kw a few years back. It was also a tremendous burden on his time and finances to keep the site running for free. You try keeping track of 18,000+ radio and TV stations - calls, formats, technical data, TV network affiliations, DTV status, and so on - and see how much of your day it eats up. (Oh, and while you're at it, create an entire database infrastructure to display all that data.)
After a couple of years of that daily grind - and keep in mind that for most of that time, Chip was also working a full-time job out of radio - he decided, very understandably, that he could no longer keep doing all that for free, and that he was going to shut the site down.
That would have been the end of the story (except that I'm sure there would have been the usual rush of hate mail from people who couldn't figure out that when you get something for free, you really don't have much standing to complain when it goes away).
The only reason it wasn't the end of the story, and the only reason there's still a 100kw today, is that at almost the last moment, Chip received and accepted a purchase offer, thus reaping a well-deserved reward for his hard work. Would you buy a labor-intensive site like 100kw for real, hard cash and then just give it away for free? Didn't think so.
The sale of 100kw, and its conversion into an actual money-making business from a labor of love, was the only way the site would continue to exist, and it should be noted that in spite of the nay-sayers at the time, 100kw is alive and well, and even thriving.
Two more points here: first, those bits of outdated information on Radio-Locator are not outdated on 100kw. Why? Because keeping track of all that data takes people, people have to be paid, and paying people costs money that has to come from somewhere. In the end, you really do get exactly what you pay for. (Which is no knock on Radio-Locator - that they are able to keep doing even as much as they're doing for free, plus or minus annoying pop-up ads, is a credit to their hard work, and it's unfortunate that they, too, end up getting more brickbats than bouquets for it.)
And second, there's absolutely nothing stopping anyone - especially those who would complain most loudly about 100kw surviving as a pay site - from doing exactly what Chip did when he created 100kw all those years ago. Pick a domain name, get some server space, write your own database software, and start compiling all that data. The engineering data's in the public domain from the FCC, so all you have to do is match each of those entries up with current format, slogan, network and market information - and then sit down every single day and make sure you've updated everything that's changed that day. Easy, right?
That nobody has done so in all the years since Chip did it (there's been, by my count, exactly one partial attempt at a TV-only version, which is perhaps 20% complete and way out of date after several years' effort) should stand as some kind of testimony to how much Chip gave the radio community during the years he was providing 100kw for free - and how little gratitude he's ever received for it, amidst all the grousing about its continued existence in the only form in which it could have continued to exist.
Once more, with feeling: there were only two options back then - the transformation of 100kw into an actual business, or the complete shutdown of the site. I get the distinct impression that there are some on the boards who really would have rather seen it shut down completely, and I don't understand that mindset at all.
(Disclaimer: Yes, I absolutely do work for 100kw, as news editor. I speak only for myself here.)
I agree that Chip did a great job, and it's not reasonable to expect anyone to put out that kind of effort for free forever.
Then there's "Radio Station World" ( http://radiostationworld.com/default.asp ) which is also free. It's a little harder to navigate, at least for me. But it seems to do a little better than "Radio Locator" when it comes to keeping up with changes. Between the two, there's an awful lot of free information out there for those of us who are interested. This board you're looking at right now also provides a lot of information.
Then there's "Radio Station World" ( http://radiostationworld.com/default.asp ) which is also free. It's a little harder to navigate, at least for me. But it seems to do a little better than "Radio Locator" when it comes to keeping up with changes. Between the two, there's an awful lot of free information out there for those of us who are interested. This board you're looking at right now also provides a lot of information.
Before I switched from IE to Firefox, I found nasties on my computer after a couple of visits to radiostationworld.com. YMMV. (And that said, they're certainly much more comprehensive in their global coverage than radio-locator or, especially, 100kw, which is strictly US and border areas of Canada and Mexico.)
You know that old saying - "Fast, cheap, or good - pick any two"? It's pretty much the same deal here. If you're willing to spend the time and effort to seek it out, you can find all the information that 100kw gives you for free at other sites. Nothing at all wrong with that...it all comes down to how valuable you think your time is. For those willing to pony up five bucks a month, 100kw puts it all together in one place with regular updates.
And, yeah, anyone in the radio information business who tells you they don't at least check in on these boards occasionally to see what's bubbling up is lying.
You know that old saying - "Fast, cheap, or good - pick any two"? It's pretty much the same deal here. If you're willing to spend the time and effort to seek it out, you can find all the information that 100kw gives you for free at other sites. Nothing at all wrong with that...it all comes down to how valuable you think your time is. For those willing to pony up five bucks a month, 100kw puts it all together in one place with regular updates.
And, yeah, anyone in the radio information business who tells you they don't at least check in on these boards occasionally to see what's bubbling up is lying.
Scott Fybush said:
Amen, Scott. I switched to Firefox and never looked back. (Their "NoScript" add-on is highly recommended.) Avast anti-virus, Ccleaner ("crap-cleaner") and Spy-Bot Search & Destroy are also some of my weapons of choice.
Radio Station World has some fascinating content, especially on the foreign stations, but I find myself double-checking a lot of the stateside information. Overall, however, I'd agree they do a pretty good job.
Speaking of good jobs, everyone listen up. Here's a must for your "bookmarks": www.fybush.com/ Even if you're not in (or have never been in) the Northeastern U.S. it's a great read, and the Tower Site of The Week section is always interesting. Check it out. (and order a calendar, too. This was an unsolicited testimonial, so there.)
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