Who will take Jhani Kaye's place heaing any names?

[finallyescaped]

I would think, given his long-term association with CBS and major-market programming experience (Chicago) that they'd at least look at Dave Shakes, who's currently programming KOOL.

Bingo.

 

[michael hagerty]

Would anyone care to publish a list of the 20 most-played tunes at KRTH either so far this year or from last month?

I listen to the station intermittently, and thank goodness they don't play 'My Girl' or People Got to Be Free' 8 times a day, but I was curious as to how often they pound their power gold cuts?

The top 25 most played songs get 8 to 10 weekly spins... about 17 to 21 hour separation.

To give you an idea of how that shakes out, let's go with the median rotation...19 hours.

And let's take a typical listener. We'll say this person tunes in during the 7AM hour and in the 5PM hour on the way home.

So we'll say the typical listener heard one of those power records this morning during the 7AM hour. Here's how that record will rotate:

Tuesday, April 16: 7AM
Wednesday, April 17: 2AM
Wednesday, April 17: 9PM
Thursday, April 18: 4PM
Friday, April 19: 11AM
Saturday, April 20: 6AM
Sunday, April 21: 1AM
Monday, April 22: 8PM
Tuesday, April 23: 3PM
Wednesday, April 24: 10AM
Thursday, April 25: 5AM
Friday, April 26: 12Midnight
Saturday: April 27: 7PM
Sunday, April 28: 2PM
Monday, April 29: 9AM
Tuesday, April 30: 4AM
Wednesday, April 30: 11PM
Thursday, May 1: 6PM
Friday, May 2: 1PM
Saturday, May 3: 8AM
Sunday, May 4: 3AM
Monday, May 5: 10PM
Tuesday, May 6: 5PM

So, it's 19 days from the time our listener heard the song this morning until it pops up again on the drive home.....where he or she only maybe hears it repeat, since the typical listener doesn't listen for an unbroken hour. David has told us the average tune-ins are about 12 minutes a pop, so there's only a one-in five chance they'll hear the song again when it plays the afternoon of May 6.

Even if he or she does hear it again, odds are they won't remember when they heard it last, other than it has been a few weeks. If they miss that play, it will be even longer.

 

[oldies76]

So, it's 19 days from the time our listener heard the song this morning until it pops up again on the drive home.....where he or she only maybe hears it repeat, since the typical listener doesn't listen for an unbroken hour. David has told us the average tune-ins are about 12 minutes a pop, so there's only a one-in five chance they'll hear the song again when it plays the afternoon of May 6.

Even if he or she does hear it again, odds are they won't remember when they heard it last, other than it has been a few weeks. If they miss that play, it will be even longer.

So then why are some people still complaining about repetition (and I'm not talking about radio and oldies aficionados either). Obviously some people do take the time to notice what and when songs are playing, even if it's just for 12 minutes or 2 hours a pop. Eventually people do notice.

 

[oldies76]

So we'll say the typical listener heard one of those power records this morning during the 7AM hour. Here's how that record will rotate:

Tuesday, April 16: 7AM
Wednesday, April 17: 2AM
Wednesday, April 17: 9PM
Thursday, April 18: 4PM
Friday, April 19: 11AM
Saturday, April 20: 6AM
Sunday, April 21: 1AM
Monday, April 22: 8PM
Tuesday, April 23: 3PM
Wednesday, April 24: 10AM
Thursday, April 25: 5AM
Friday, April 26: 12Midnight
Saturday: April 27: 7PM
Sunday, April 28: 2PM
Monday, April 29: 9AM
Tuesday, April 30: 4AM
Wednesday, April 30: 11PM
Thursday, May 1: 6PM
Friday, May 2: 1PM
Saturday, May 3: 8AM
Sunday, May 4: 3AM
Monday, May 5: 10PM
Tuesday, May 6: 5PM

So, it's 19 days from the time our listener heard the song this morning until it pops up again on the drive home

Understand your point here, but playing a song once every seven hours (and this would apply to all power songs), don't you think that's still overkill, even if the average listener may or may not hear it again for 19 days?

 

[michael hagerty]

So we'll say the typical listener heard one of those power records this morning during the 7AM hour. Here's how that record will rotate:

Tuesday, April 16: 7AM
Wednesday, April 17: 2AM
Wednesday, April 17: 9PM
Thursday, April 18: 4PM
Friday, April 19: 11AM
Saturday, April 20: 6AM
Sunday, April 21: 1AM
Monday, April 22: 8PM
Tuesday, April 23: 3PM
Wednesday, April 24: 10AM
Thursday, April 25: 5AM
Friday, April 26: 12Midnight
Saturday: April 27: 7PM
Sunday, April 28: 2PM
Monday, April 29: 9AM
Tuesday, April 30: 4AM
Wednesday, April 30: 11PM
Thursday, May 1: 6PM
Friday, May 2: 1PM
Saturday, May 3: 8AM
Sunday, May 4: 3AM
Monday, May 5: 10PM
Tuesday, May 6: 5PM

So, it's 19 days from the time our listener heard the song this morning until it pops up again on the drive home

Understand your point here, but playing a song once every seven hours (and this would apply to all power songs), don't you think that's still overkill, even if the average listener may or may not hear it again for 19 days?

Oldies:

Seventeen hours.

And if the average listener won't hear it for at least 19 days, perhaps longer, than how could that possibly be overkill?

 

[oldies76]

Seventeen hours.

And if the average listener won't hear it for at least 19 days, perhaps longer, than how could that possibly be overkill?

Sorry my mistake. 17 hours is a big difference, basically once a day, for a power cut.

 

[Thomps2525]

I have to challenge that "19 day" theory. I get off work at 3:30 pm and usually I listen to KFI on the way home but occasionally I'll turn on KRTH just to see---or hear---what they're playing. More often than not, it seems that at 3:30 pm I will hear either Monday Monday, California Dreamin', American Pie, Light My Fire, Brown Eyed Girl, Blinded By The Light or People Got To Be Free. And what Michael refers to as "power records" would be better described as either "the same boring burned-out overplayed hits" or "songs we all got sick of hearing when we were in high school."

 

[michael hagerty]

Seventeen hours.

And if the average listener won't hear it for at least 19 days, perhaps longer, than how could that possibly be overkill?

Sorry my mistake. 17 hours is a big difference, basically once a day, for a power cut.

According to David, the power cuts are between 17 and 21 hours. I chose the middle, 19.

 

[michael hagerty]

I have to challenge that "19 day" theory. I get off work at 3:30 pm and usually I listen to KFI on the way home but occasionally I'll turn on KRTH just to see---or hear---what they're playing. More often than not, it seems that at 3:30 pm I will hear either Monday Monday, California Dreamin', American Pie, Light My Fire, Brown Eyed Girl, Blinded By The Light or People Got To Be Free. And what Michael refers to as "power records" would be better described as either "the same boring burned-out overplayed hits" or "songs we all got sick of hearing when we were in high school."

Steve, it's impossible to sort that one out without knowing how often occasionally is.

As for the description of the records, "power records" (as you well know) is a reference to the rotation. If the audience they want to reach (which we've established is younger than you) considered them boring, burned out and overplayed, they wouldn't test well.

 

[oldies76]

More often than not, it seems that at 3:30 pm I will hear either Monday Monday, California Dreamin', American Pie, Light My Fire, Brown Eyed Girl, Blinded By The Light or People Got To Be Free. And what Michael refers to as "power records" would be better described as either "the same boring burned-out overplayed hits" or "songs we all got sick of hearing when we were in high school."

Then it's the same individual songs (from a group of 700 hits) that are played over and over in approximately 19 hour intervals. That's why refreshing a playlist every so often would remove this burnt-out feeling. Refreshing a playlist to me would mean to also play "Light My Fire" from Jose! ;D

 

[oldies76]

For either Michael or RadioRewind, considering a peak position of #10 in 1967, was "Brown Eyed Girl" really played to death back then or was it played briefly, then never heard from again (in the late 60's). That song did reach #2 on the KHJ surveys in '67 so it was a bigger record in L.A.

 

[michael hagerty]

For either Michael or RadioRewind, considering a peak position of #10 in 1967, was "Brown Eyed Girl" really played to death back then or was it played briefly, then never heard from again (in the late 60's). That song did reach #2 on the KHJ surveys in '67 so it was a bigger record in L.A.

Songs had short chart runs. Brown Eyed Girl was only on the Boss 30 for 7 weeks. And power rotation on KHJ in those days was about 2 and a half hours, maybe 2 hours 45 minutes.

Recurrents didn't really exist, so Brown Eyed Girl pretty much vanished from September until the Big 93 Countdown on New Years' Eve...where it placed #51. After that, it was a golden.

 

[oldies76]

-Duplicate post-

 

[oldies76]

For either Michael or RadioRewind, considering a peak position of #10 in 1967, was "Brown Eyed Girl" really played to death back then or was it played briefly, then never heard from again (in the late 60's). That song did reach #2 on the KHJ surveys in '67 so it was a bigger record in L.A.

Songs had short chart runs. Brown Eyed Girl was only on the Boss 30 for 7 weeks. And power rotation on KHJ in those days was about 2 and a half hours, maybe 2 hours 45 minutes.

Recurrents didn't really exist, so Brown Eyed Girl pretty much vanished from September until the Big 93 Countdown on New Years' Eve...where it placed #51. After that, it was a golden.

Thanks, that's what I was looking for.

 

[michael hagerty]

Anyway, Oldies...without knowing how often Steve's actually tuning in and whether he really only hears those seven songs (statistically a long shot), you can't assume that's evidence of anything.

The key to successful programming is to program to how your typical listener actually uses the medium. Go back and look at the rotation I posted. If there's no repetition in 19 days, that means, listening twice a day, that there are at least 38 different records that listener hears. And that's if they only hear one song per listen. More likely they're hearing three, so that's 114 different songs that they hear in just a shade under three weeks before they......maybe.....hear a repeat.

 

[oldies76]

Anyway, Oldies...without knowing how often Steve's actually tuning in and whether he really only hears those seven songs (statistically a long shot), you can't assume that's evidence of anything.

The key to successful programming is to program to how your typical listener actually uses the medium. Go back and look at the rotation I posted. If there's no repetition in 19 days, that means, listening twice a day, that there are at least 38 different records that listener hears. And that's if they only hear one song per listen. More likely they're hearing three, so that's 114 different songs that they hear in just a shade under three weeks before they......maybe.....hear a repeat.

I agree with that.

Though some people will (over time) figure out that those are usually the only songs that are being played and will eventually wonder why only song A is being played by a certain artist, but not songs B C or D, at least by the listeners who enjoy classic hits and remember songs B C and D from their youth. (That's where the "lost hits" per hour idea comes into play). Sorry I had to mention that again. But I do understand where you're coming from.

 

[michael hagerty]

Anyway, Oldies...without knowing how often Steve's actually tuning in and whether he really only hears those seven songs (statistically a long shot), you can't assume that's evidence of anything.

The key to successful programming is to program to how your typical listener actually uses the medium. Go back and look at the rotation I posted. If there's no repetition in 19 days, that means, listening twice a day, that there are at least 38 different records that listener hears. And that's if they only hear one song per listen. More likely they're hearing three, so that's 114 different songs that they hear in just a shade under three weeks before they......maybe.....hear a repeat.

I agree with that.

Though some people will (over time) figure out that those are usually the only songs that are being played and will eventually wonder why only song A is being played by a certain artist, but not songs B C or D, at least by the listeners who enjoy classic hits and remember songs B C and D from their youth. (That's where the "lost hits" per hour idea comes into play). Sorry I had to mention that again. But I do understand where you're coming from.

Remember, too, that they're splitting their listening between 6 and 9 other stations. They're not keeping track. And songs are rotating in and out because of testing and age-in/age-out.

It doesn't feel narrow to them.

 

[Thomps2525]

I wonder how many listeners, especially in the older age groups, really do switch back and forth between as many as ten stations? For me, the music of the 2000s (country music excluded) has gotten so bad that I have a hard time finding as many as four music stations to listen to.

Mister oldies76 makes a good point about KRTH playing only certain songs by certain artists. Did you know, for instance, that Roy Orbison had only one hit (Oh Pretty Woman) and Rick Nelson, Connie Francis, Andy Williams, Jackie Wilson, Nat "King" Cole, John Denver, Glen Campbell, Bobby Vee, Bobby Vinton, Johnny Cash, Fats Domino, Paul Anka, Barbra Streisand, Johnny Mathis, Pat Boone, Brenda Lee and the Everly Brothers never had any hits at all?

 

[michael hagerty]

I wonder how many listeners, especially in the older age groups, really do switch back and forth between as many as ten stations? For me, the music of the 2000s (country music excluded) has gotten so bad that I have a hard time finding as many as four music stations to listen to.

The older age groups are irrelevant for this discussion. The goal (as it has been for 50 years or more) is to score big 18-49 or 25-54.

Mister oldies76 makes a good point about KRTH playing only certain songs by certain artists. Did you know, for instance, that Roy Orbison had only one hit (Oh Pretty Woman) and Rick Nelson, Connie Francis, Andy Williams, Jackie Wilson, Nat "King" Cole, John Denver, Glen Campbell, Bobby Vee, Bobby Vinton, Johnny Cash, Fats Domino, Paul Anka, Barbra Streisand, Johnny Mathis, Pat Boone, Brenda Lee and the Everly Brothers never had any hits at all?

Comic exaggeration wears thin quickly. KRTH played every one of those artists...until even their biggest records stopped resonating with the desired demographic.

But they still get played on L.A. radio....all you need is HD: http://retro105.com/

 

[Thomps2525]

And yet KRTH still plays Shout and La Bamba, both of which are 54 years old, and Tequila, which is 55 years old. The people in that coveted 25-54 demographic must have really good memories!

(Is that some more of that "comic exaggeration" that's wearing thin? I hope not.)