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Who will take on Rock in New York?

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XCountry285

Whoever decided this decision to change 101.9 to Sports is an idiot. I really am extremely angry over this. CBS you didn't learn the first time don't kill rock in our city.
Will CC flip Power or KTU?
Will Cumulus buy 92.3 from CBS?
Will CBS sell 92.3 or 102.7?
Will someone buy 99.5 or 94.7?
WHY CAN'T THIS CITY EVER HAVE A ROCK STATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
XCountry285 said:
Whoever decided this decision to change 101.9 to Sports is an idiot. I really am extremely angry over this. CBS you didn't learn the first time don't kill rock in our city.
Will CC flip Power or KTU?
Will Cumulus buy 92.3 from CBS?
Will CBS sell 92.3 or 102.7?
Will someone buy 99.5 or 94.7?
WHY CAN'T THIS CITY EVER HAVE A ROCK STATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'll answer your questions.
1. No.
2. No.
3. No.
4. Maybe, but that's no guarantee they'll flip either to Alternative.
5. Seems it just keeps winding up in the hands of struggling companies and the stable ones just aren't looking to flip anything.
 
This city has stations too female oriented. NOTHING is for the males. It's not right at all. 101.9 was perfect because it was for men & women. What can I go back to listening? Oh wait I can't receive a signal from any rock station because NYC radio market sucks!
 
XCountry285 said:
This city has stations too female oriented. NOTHING is for the males. It's not right at all. 101.9 was perfect because it was for men & women. What can I go back to listening? Oh wait I can't receive a signal from any rock station because NYC radio market sucks!
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I actually agree with everything you are saying. I thought it was great that alternative rock was back on New York radio, and I am likewise displeased by this news today.

The reason I didn't recall that CBS had killed K-Rock on WXRK was because the station was an underperformer. Howard Stern carried that station during its first rock incarnation. The ratings fell off a cliff after his show concluded. CBS brought rock back, but it wasn't executed well, so the ratings at WXRK once again were poor, thus making the decision to kill it a second time an easy one for CBS Radio. Not to mention CBS saw an opportunity to challenge Clear Channel's WHTZ which faced no serious competition during most of its existence. 92.3 Now has been a good idea, but it, likewise, has not been executed properly, so in the fight with Z, it's doing a lot of floor kissing.
 
Now has been crap since Cannon left. Their station is a mess. Whats with KTU they don't need to be here as long as there's Now FM and Z.
 
XCountry285 said:
Now has been crap since Cannon left. Their station is a mess. Whats with KTU they don't need to be here as long as there's Now FM and Z.
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Because all things considered KTU's ratings are still really high?
 
XCountry, if being able to hear alternative rock on New York radio means that much to you, how about investing about $50 on an HD radio?

WFUV 90.7 HD3= The Alternate Side (also carried 6 am-noon on WNYE 91.5).
WXRK 92.3 HD2- K-Rock.
WWFS 102.7 HD2- Last FM
WAXQ HD2 104.3- The Alternative Project.
 
CBS should keep 101.9's rock and put the sports on 92.3! New Rock had a huge ratings jump but I guess ratings dont mean anything anymore since thats an indicator of what people actually want to listen to ::)
 
liradioisbad said:
XCountry285 said:
Now has been crap since Cannon left. Their station is a mess. Whats with KTU they don't need to be here as long as there's Now FM and Z.
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Because all things considered KTU's ratings are still really high?
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KTU yea their ratings are high. But think about how they are eating into their sister station's #s?! Power and Z's both of them. it's a waste. Why the hell would you have 2 stations in the same market owned by the same company reporting to Mediabase as CHRs?! Detroit had that same problem but that was fixed when 106.7 switched to rock! To a real legit station that was NEEDED! Adele, Rihanna, & Kanye are WELL covered in NYC on EVERY SINGLE STATION!
 
According to a memo apparently sent by Merlin CEO Randy Michaels to employees and obtained by Billboard, the sale retired significant amounts of debt from the company's balance sheet. Going forward, Merlin is supposedly in a much healthier position and plans to not only keep operating its current properties in Chicago and Philadelphia, but is also searching for potential acquisitions.
Read more at http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/indu...-station-1007974922.story#13AlvuFb5HQ67j0D.99
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Maybe Merlin could by 94.7 and move RXP to it.
 
XCountry285 said:
liradioisbad said:
XCountry285 said:
Now has been crap since Cannon left. Their station is a mess. Whats with KTU they don't need to be here as long as there's Now FM and Z.
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Because all things considered KTU's ratings are still really high?
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KTU yea their ratings are high. But think about how they are eating into their sister station's #s?! Power and Z's both of them. it's a waste. Why the hell would you have 2 stations in the same market owned by the same company reporting to Mediabase as CHRs?! Detroit had that same problem but that was fixed when 106.7 switched to rock! To a real legit station that was NEEDED! Adele, Rihanna, & Kanye are WELL covered in NYC on EVERY SINGLE STATION!
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Perhaps CC has determined they could bill more with KTU being what it is, even if it crosses into Z and Power territory, than it could with Alternative. Actually, I'm positive it does.
 
XCountry285 said:
But Merlin doesn't have the cash for it...Cumulus should buy 94.7 and bring back RXP.
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That quote about having cash for "potential acquisitions" was from Merlin CEO Randy Michaels on the sale of RXP. Just guessing 94.7 is probably less than half of the cost of 101.9.
 
XCountry285 said:
KTU yea their ratings are high. But think about how they are eating into their sister station's #s?! Power and Z's both of them. it's a waste. Why the hell would you have 2 stations in the same market owned by the same company reporting to Mediabase as CHRs?! Detroit had that same problem but that was fixed when 106.7 switched to rock! To a real legit station that was NEEDED! Adele, Rihanna, & Kanye are WELL covered in NYC on EVERY SINGLE STATION!
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You're kidding, right? KTU is a success by any metric...especially as a flanker to Z-100 and Lite-FM. Any station owner would love to have the "problems" that KTU has!
 
I'd listen to a music format on AM if it were the only choice (such as Classic Hits or Urban AC on AM), even if Alternative or Country has to be on AM in NYC I'd probably still listen :)

I wonder what will happen to 94.7... it can't really move to ESB or Times Square due to 94.3 WIGX or WMAS in Springfield, MA... could there be a trade involving 94.7 and someone else on AM? (think 610/106.9 in San Francisco) Something like Alternative or Country would be nice on 94.7, and having a suburban signal is better for formats like those anyway
 
XCountry285 said:
KTU yea their ratings are high. But think about how they are eating into their sister station's #s?! Power and Z's both of them. it's a waste. Why the hell would you have 2 stations in the same market owned by the same company reporting to Mediabase as CHRs?! Detroit had that same problem but that was fixed when 106.7 switched to rock! To a real legit station that was NEEDED! Adele, Rihanna, & Kanye are WELL covered in NYC on EVERY SINGLE STATION!
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WKTU and WHTZ are the second and sixth highest billers in the market. Having slightly higher ratings would not result in much higher billings. But the main reason for having both is to protect each from challenges from other operators. They effectively have a wall against any competitive attack on non-Hispanic whites and Hispanics in the 18-49 spectrum with the two stations.

KTU and Z-100 share less than 15% of their audience with WWPR, and less than a third with each other. WWPR serves a purpose, besides decent but not stellar billings, of keeping Hot at a lower level and out of sales competition with KTU and Z-100

Turning one of those stations to alternative does not make for a good cluster strategy. And it definitely does not make for a good revenue strategy.
 
XCountry285 said:
Now has been crap since Cannon left. Their station is a mess. Whats with KTU they don't need to be here as long as there's Now FM and Z.
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WKTU is the 6th highest biller in NY and, out of the 11,000 or so commercial stations in the whole country, it is the 14th.

Were KTU gone, Now could move into the rhythmic CHR arena and seriously hurt Z-100 and the Clear Channel cluster.
 
XCountry285 said:
Why the hell would you have 2 stations in the same market owned by the same company reporting to Mediabase as CHRs?!
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Ad agencies don't look at MediaBase (if they even know what it is). They look at Arbitron. To wit, they care about audience size, not what the station spins.

In the 18-49 target of KTU and Z-100, both stations are generally in the top 3 in the demo, with the third participant in the Winner-place-show circle being co-owned WLTW.
 
XCountry285 said:
Whoever decided this decision to change 101.9 to Sports is an idiot. I really am extremely angry over this. CBS you didn't learn the first time don't kill rock in our city.
Will CC flip Power or KTU?
Will Cumulus buy 92.3 from CBS?
Will CBS sell 92.3 or 102.7?
Will someone buy 99.5 or 94.7?
WHY CAN'T THIS CITY EVER HAVE A ROCK STATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Answer: Somebody eventually, it is doubtful the ratings generated by New Rock 101.9 will go unnoticed. Everyone on these boards can speculate all they like, but most of what has happened with NY radio in the past year, NO ONE saw coming.
 
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