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WHOM 94.9 is huge!

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I visited the Northern New England area and Boston this week. I noticed that 94.9 WHOM from Mount Washington has a very big signal. It was there all the way from the Massachusetts/Vermont border through central NH, then it stayed through Boston and Providence, RI. How was it possible to have so much power from the top of Mt. Washington?<P ID="signature">______________
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> I visited the Northern New England area and Boston this
> week. I noticed that 94.9 WHOM from Mount Washington has a
> very big signal. It was there all the way from the
> Massachusetts/Vermont border through central NH, then it
> stayed through Boston and Providence, RI. How was it
> possible to have so much power from the top of Mt.
> Washington?
>

Mt. Washington is the highest point in the Northeastern United States. Since there is nothing higher/taller to get in the way that is one reason the coverage area is so huge.
 
> I visited the Northern New England area and Boston this
> week. I noticed that 94.9 WHOM from Mount Washington has a
> very big signal. It was there all the way from the
> Massachusetts/Vermont border through central NH, then it
> stayed through Boston and Providence, RI. How was it
> possible to have so much power from the top of Mt.
> Washington?
>
WHOM was built before there were limits on FM power classes. They operate at 50KW (with beam tilt) from 1,141 meters HAAT. Their 1mv countour reaches over 100km. That equals 210kw at normal class C height (2,000ft)

There are stronger FM's like WOOD in Grand Rapids, MI with an ERP of 265kw (but recently downgrded to 99kw), but only WHOM operates from such a high point. That would make them the biggest signal of any North American FM.

PTR
 
WHOM is indeed powerful. They say that they're the largest FM Station in North America (coverage wise). As said before, WOOD in Grand Rapids, MI has more power, but with FM it's all about the height- where WHOM has them beat. FM is basically about "line of sight." The curves in the earth are usually a result of why FM won't go nearly as far as AM signals. AM signals have the atmospheric bounce and groundwaves. You can have a 50,000 watt station with a 400 foot tower and get maybe 60(plus or minus) miles of good coverage, depending on the physical geography. WHOM is up 6,288 feet plus the tower, so the get great results.

Good luck with radio. I was that way at 17 too. Many people take the science of radio for granted and have no clue what a powerful and "secretive" energy radio really is. Radio (trust me) will never grow old. You always learn with it.

Best to you and a great radio career!
Lenny

> > I visited the Northern New England area and Boston this
> > week. I noticed that 94.9 WHOM from Mount Washington has
> a
> > very big signal. It was there all the way from the
> > Massachusetts/Vermont border through central NH, then it
> > stayed through Boston and Providence, RI. How was it
> > possible to have so much power from the top of Mt.
> > Washington?
> >
>
> Mt. Washington is the highest point in the Northeastern
> United States. Since there is nothing higher/taller to get
> in the way that is one reason the coverage area is so huge.
>
 
> There are stronger FM's like WOOD in Grand Rapids, MI with
> an ERP of 265kw (but recently downgrded to 99kw), but only
> WHOM operates from such a high point. That would make them
> the biggest signal of any North American FM.

Not to get off the subject but when did WOOD-FM downgrade?
They have a CP to operate a 99kW backup site, but its not the primary that's changing on the license.

If WBCT 93.7 is still operating at 320kW, then I'll be happy...
CKOI 96.9 in Montreal is back up to 307kW thanks to the recent antenna work from Dielectric.

<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by TXengineer on 07/10/05 03:22 AM.</FONT></P>
 
Another FM station that ranks way up there in signal reach is KNCQ-FM 97.3 out west in Redding CA. It also radiates from a tower site just a tad less then Mt. Washington but its HAAT is awesome! Click on radio-locator.com (http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=KNCQ&service=FM&status=L&hours=U) to see what they have for coverage area.


> WHOM is indeed powerful. They say that they're the largest
> FM Station in North America (coverage wise). As said before,
> WOOD in Grand Rapids, MI has more power, but with FM it's
> all about the height- where WHOM has them beat. FM is
> basically about "line of sight." The curves in the earth are
> usually a result of why FM won't go nearly as far as AM
> signals. AM signals have the atmospheric bounce and
> groundwaves. You can have a 50,000 watt station with a 400
> foot tower and get maybe 60(plus or minus) miles of good
> coverage, depending on the physical geography. WHOM is up
> 6,288 feet plus the tower, so the get great results.
>
> Good luck with radio. I was that way at 17 too. Many people
> take the science of radio for granted and have no clue what
> a powerful and "secretive" energy radio really is. Radio
> (trust me) will never grow old. You always learn with it.
>
> Best to you and a great radio career!
> Lenny
>
> > > I visited the Northern New England area and Boston this
> > > week. I noticed that 94.9 WHOM from Mount Washington
> has
> > a
> > > very big signal. It was there all the way from the
> > > Massachusetts/Vermont border through central NH, then it
>
> > > stayed through Boston and Providence, RI. How was it
> > > possible to have so much power from the top of Mt.
> > > Washington?
> > >
> >
> > Mt. Washington is the highest point in the Northeastern
> > United States. Since there is nothing higher/taller to
> get
> > in the way that is one reason the coverage area is so
> huge.
> >
>
 
> I visited the Northern New England area and Boston this
> week. I noticed that 94.9 WHOM from Mount Washington has a
> very big signal. It was there all the way from the
> Massachusetts/Vermont border through central NH, then it
> stayed through Boston and Providence, RI. How was it
> possible to have so much power from the top of Mt.
> Washington?
>



>>Actually WHOM used to get out even further to the NE before WSYY, Millinocket Maine moved from 97.7 to 94.9 back in late 80s/early 90s. I often picked up WHOM as far north as Houlton and Mars Hill in late 70s/early 80s. And their signal used to blast across the Gulf of Maine to Nova Scotia. But with WSYY now also on 94.9 their signal now is no longer useable north or east of Bangor. even here on Mount Desert Island, where they used to come in like a local, they get a lot of interference from WSYY. A good directional antenna is needed. But still, they occasionally get down-east to Jonesport, Machiasport, and the Canadian Border. I have heard them at Saint Andrews NB recently, although there may have been some tropo-skip helping out.

Still, even with WSYY on 94.9 WHOM does put out a fantastic signal. You can still almost get them into Montreal travelling along Hwy 10 from Sherbrooke.
 
> If WBCT 93.7 is still operating at 320kW, then I'll be
> happy...
> CKOI 96.9 in Montreal is back up to 307kW thanks to the
> recent antenna work from Dielectric.
>
Last week, I had CKOI on my car radio in place of WTKK on a northward-facing hill in Bow, NH - on I-93. Probably a case of tropo ducting, but still impressive considering the distance and terrain involved. Their normal signal travels into the NE kingdom of VT.

I've gotten WHOM in the clear well north of Sherbrooke. It comes in better than WPKQ - which is supposedly directional favoring the north and east. Great signal to be listenable from NE Connecticut/N RI to south central Quebec!
 
> I've gotten WHOM in the clear well north of Sherbrooke. It
> comes in better than WPKQ - which is supposedly directional
> favoring the north and east. Great signal to be listenable
> from NE Connecticut/N RI to south central Quebec!

WPKQ is directional towards WKNE in Keene, NH. WPKQ is also operating at 21kW versus WHOM's 50kW, so there is that difference too...
 
I have heard them at Saint Andrews NB recently,
> although there may have been some tropo-skip helping out.
>
> Still, even with WSYY on 94.9 WHOM does put out a fantastic
> signal. You can still almost get them into Montreal
> travelling along Hwy 10 from Sherbrooke.
>


When I was in sales there 15 years ago, we had a very short-term PD who was enchanted with this signal thing. He ran a legal ID which said "WHOM, Mt.Washington - Portland. Serving Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, and the eastern provinces of Canada."

While the station does cover a tiny bit of Southern Quebec, I suggested to him that this ID was a bit of an exaggeration. His response was something like "what the hell...it makes us sound big." Hmmmm. Yes, I'm sure we were gangbusters in Labrador.

One thing I always wondered about 'HOM's legal ID. Don't stations have to be licensed to a legal municipality? It seems that "Mt. Washington" is more of a place name with no legal status, or am I wrong? Maybe it's because the station was originally licensed in FM's salad days and this ID is just grandfathered in.

Anyone have any ideas?

I have a list of 1946 FM's listing WMTW ('HOM's ancestral calls) on Mt Washington at 98.1 Mc. Five years before that they were on 43.9 Mc. as W39B, and listed as covering 31,000 square miles (wattage not listed).

She's one big mamma jamma with quite a history.

My old friend Tim Moore has been the PD there since the early 90's and continues to do a great job with WHOM. (He's NOT the guy mentioned above). Tim even let me do some weekend airshifts when I was in sales there. It was a rush being on such a huge, legendary station.

Nick Seneca
 
> > I've gotten WHOM in the clear well north of Sherbrooke.
> It
> > comes in better than WPKQ - which is supposedly
> directional
> > favoring the north and east. Great signal to be
> listenable
> > from NE Connecticut/N RI to south central Quebec!
>
> WPKQ is directional towards WKNE in Keene, NH. WPKQ is also
> operating at 21kW versus WHOM's 50kW, so there is that
> difference too...
>
Why would the FCC approve that arrangement? I believe you, it just doesn't seem logical.

I always thought that it was toward the other direction - east and north - especially since WPKQ comes in so well in southern and central Maine. On the other hand, it does come in reasonably well around central NH too.
 
> One thing I always wondered about 'HOM's legal ID. Don't
> stations have to be licensed to a legal municipality? It
> seems that "Mt. Washington" is more of a place name with no
> legal status, or am I wrong? Maybe it's because the station
> was originally licensed in FM's salad days and this ID is
> just grandfathered in.
>
> Anyone have any ideas?
>
> Nick Seneca
>

The FCC doesn't necessarily license stations only to municipalities. For example down here in RI we have a TV (WPXQ) & 2 FM (WCRI & WJZS) stations licensed to Block Island which like Mt. Washington is a geographic location but not a municipality. Block Island is actually the Town of New Shoreham.
 
> > One thing I always wondered about 'HOM's legal ID. Don't
> > stations have to be licensed to a legal municipality? It
> > seems that "Mt. Washington" is more of a place name.



I think it's more important to have a Post Office than a
municipal government. And yes, Mt. Washington does have a
post office. In the NY suburbs, WRKL 910 is licensed to
New City, Rockland County. New City is a community with a
PO but no municipal government. It's part of the Town of
Clarkstown.

And when WHOM shared a tower with Channel 8 WMTW till a
couple of years ago, WMTW was licensed to Poland Spring,
ME. I'm not sure if Poland Spring is a village or just a
post office as well.

It should be noted that WHOM started its life as a
weather station, sending weather info to Boston from
Mt. Washington, before it became a commercial FM station.
I used to pick WHOM up in Schenectady NY, near Albany.
Unfortunately, with a 95.1 on the air now in So. Vermont,
that's harder to do. Same with Montreal, which now has
a 95.1 Before then, WHOM had good coverage throughout
the Champlain Valley.

And before Ch. 22 signed on in Burlington Vt, Channel
8 WMTW used to be considered the local ABC station for
the Burlington-Plattsburgh-Lk. Champlain TV market.
But to cover the Portland market south of Biddeford
better, the Ch. 8 moved its tower to a location near
Sebago Lake a couple of years ago, just like NBC 6 and
CBS 13. All those communities in Northern NH and
Northern VT were sacraficed because So. Maine is more
densely populated.






Gregg
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Re: WHOM and other Superpowered FMs

Doug Smith has an excellent website of Superpower FM stations at:

http://www.w9wi.com/articles/grand_fm.htm


While I might disagree that he doesn't list WHOM at the
top, it is interesting to note all the high powered FMs
that got on the air before the FCC imposed limits.

On Doug's list, he lists many West Coast stations higher,
even though as much as half their signal falls over water.
WHOM's signal is nearly all over land. And since the area
around Mt. Washington is so mountainous, he doesn't give
WHOM extra credit for being so high above sea level, since
some of its territory is right at the edge of the ocean.

Two of its biggest sales areas are Portland ME and
Portsmouth NH, right on the coast. Never the less, you'll
enjoy reading the list.




Gregg
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I'm glad I'm not the only person to think about this...
I'll never understand how a station gets licensed to a mountain. Bet the issues/programs list has one word on it...weather :)
WZSH 107.1 has a COL of Bellows Falls, VT, which is in the town of Rockingham.
While we're on the subject, is anyone else not happy with the way the FCC has watered down the COL and simulcast rules? If you still buy into the polite fiction of the "public interest", a station is licensed to serve a community-not the bigger metro 30 miles away.


> > One thing I always wondered about 'HOM's legal ID. Don't
> > stations have to be licensed to a legal municipality? It
> > seems that "Mt. Washington" is more of a place name with
> no
> > legal status, or am I wrong? Maybe it's because the
> station
> > was originally licensed in FM's salad days and this ID is
> > just grandfathered in.
> >
> > Anyone have any ideas?
> >
> > Nick Seneca
> >
>
> The FCC doesn't necessarily license stations only to
> municipalities. For example down here in RI we have a TV
> (WPXQ) & 2 FM (WCRI & WJZS) stations licensed to Block
> Island which like Mt. Washington is a geographic location
> but not a municipality. Block Island is actually the Town
> of New Shoreham.
>
 
> I'm glad I'm not the only person to think about this...
> I'll never understand how a station gets licensed to a
> mountain. Bet the issues/programs list has one word on
> it...weather :)
> WZSH 107.1 has a COL of Bellows Falls, VT, which is in the
> town of Rockingham.
> While we're on the subject, is anyone else not happy with
> the way the FCC has watered down the COL and simulcast
> rules? If you still buy into the polite fiction of the
> "public interest", a station is licensed to serve a
> community-not the bigger metro 30 miles away.
>
And BF now has 100.1 WOOL-LP as well, which in all likelihood serves the public interest of their community of license far better than their commercial counterpart has in many years.
 
> While we're on the subject, is anyone else not happy with
> the way the FCC has watered down the COL and simulcast
> rules? If you still buy into the polite fiction of the
> "public interest", a station is licensed to serve a
> community-not the bigger metro 30 miles away.
>

I think the whole COL rule is ridiculous and anachronistic and should go away entirely. How is focusing on a region and/or a nearby larger city in any way detracting from "service" to the smaller city? A small-market mentality is a quick way to a small audience...if no one (or hardly anyone) is listening you aren't serving the "community" or anything else.
 
> But to cover the Portland market south of Biddeford
> better, the Ch. 8 moved its tower to a location near
> Sebago Lake a couple of years ago, just like NBC 6 and
> CBS 13. All those communities in Northern NH and
> Northern VT were sacraficed because So. Maine is more
> densely populated.

That is actually not the reason for the move.

WMTW-DT, channel 46, could not legally operate from Mt Washington because of the FCC rules reguarding digital community coverage. So they would have to build a digital site closer anyways. Operating one site is expensive enough, especially if it is UHF, but trying to maintain a 24 hour transmitter presense, operating two seperate sites, is cost prohibitive. So it made logical economical sense to just move analog 8 off of the ol' mountain.
 
Re: WHOM and other Superpowered FMs

> On Doug's list, he lists many West Coast stations higher,
> even though as much as half their signal falls over water.
> WHOM's signal is nearly all over land. And since the area
> around Mt. Washington is so mountainous, he doesn't give
> WHOM extra credit for being so high above sea level, since
> some of its territory is right at the edge of the ocean.
>
> Two of its biggest sales areas are Portland ME and
> Portsmouth NH, right on the coast. Never the less, you'll
> enjoy reading the list.

Doug's list is correct for the calculations that Doug is making, which reflect how much more power a station uses than the maximum now allowed for that station's class.

What you're not taking into account is that WHOM is just far enough north to be a class C facility, not a class B facility. Class C stations can run 100 kw at up to 600 meters AAT. As Doug's list points out, if WHOM were a height-derated "textbook" C instead of a superpower, it would have 27,652 watts instead of 48,000 watts, which is, as he correctly notes, just a 2.4 dB improvement. (WPKQ is pretty much a textbook C, at 22 kW/1181 m, and its coverage is pretty comparable to WHOM's, except in its directional nulls.)

If WHOM were nominally a B, like most of the signals with which it's compared to the south, it would appear far higher on the list. Without doing the math, I think it would fall in the 15-16 dB range.

It's true that if the formulas for calculating height above average terrain figured in distances out to the edges of the signal's contour - and thus better reflected the huge drop from Mount Washington's peak (some 2000 meters) down to sea level - WHOM would rate higher on the list. But keep in mind that the LA stations at the top of the list would also rate higher if a more "real-life" HAAT formula were used. Mount Wilson is almost as high as Mount Washington - 5700' versus 6200' - and the falloff to sea level is even more dramatic (well under 50 miles to the nearest coastal points.) The Wilson stations benefit from the fact that there are many peaks much taller than Wilson in unpopulated areas to the north that are close enough to figure into the HAAT calculations. If those were taken out of the picture, the Wilson stations would show HAATs of over 2000 meters, rather than 850-1000 meters.

The other thing that makes Doug's figures for the Wilson stations even more dramatic is that those are all nominally class B stations, limited in theory to 50 kW at just 492 meters but actually running as much as 110 kW/863 m. If those stations were in class C territory, only a handful would even be considered superpower. For comparison, a typical Denver class C FM at Lookout Mountain - we'll use KRFX 103.5 - is 100 kW at 300 meters HAAT. In reality, KRFX's antenna is more than 600 meters above downtown Denver and most of the market's population, but the much taller peaks to the west in the Front Range skew the HAAT calculation considerably, to the extent that the Lookout FMs don't even meet the minimum 450 meter HAAT to retain full class C status and face a forced downgrade to C0, receiving slightly less interference protection and allowing several new channels to be squeezed in in outlying areas. For many years, the FCC recognized the unusual terrain around Denver and issued "Denver waivers" that allowed those stations to continue to receive full C protection, but that practice has been challenged and is unlikely to survive.

Another way to look at all of this is the total amount of population covered by a superpowered signal. By that measurement, even given the amount of signal wasted at sea, the Wilson FMs win, hands-down. WHOM may be huge, but it covers an awful lot of places where there aren't very many people.

Still another way to look at all of this is the total land area covered by a station's signal. My recollection is that the list, if ordered that way, would indeed put WHOM at the top, since that measurement would take into account the actual height of Mount Washington above sea level. (The Mount Wilson FMs and 103.3 in Santa Barbara still do well, but not as well, since so much signal - especially Santa Barbara's - is wasted over water.)<P ID="signature">______________
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> I'm glad I'm not the only person to think about this...
> I'll never understand how a station gets licensed to a
> mountain. Bet the issues/programs list has one word on
> it...weather :)
There are MANY examples of stations that are licensed to "geographic locations" rather than incorporated municipalities. One that I can think of from the top of my head is KODS 103.7 to "Carnelian Bay, CA". This is a tiny place - not even a town, really. CB is on Lake Tahoe and, when the station was licensed back in the 1970's, no town really existed there at all. Just the bay. But don't be fooled, its a Reno market station.

And, the number of insignificant towns that have stations licensed to them is too large to count. In the end, most end up rimshotting into the nearest big city.


> WZSH 107.1 has a COL of Bellows Falls, VT, which is in the
> town of Rockingham.
> While we're on the subject, is anyone else not happy with
> the way the FCC has watered down the COL and simulcast
> rules? If you still buy into the polite fiction of the
> "public interest", a station is licensed to serve a
> community-not the bigger metro 30 miles away.

Though I agree with you in principle, the original problem is that the FCC issued (and still issues) licenses to major commercial facilities with COLs in absolutely insignificant places. This happens far too often. Or, to one suburb and not to other larger ones (think WFNX - LYNN, MA). How can a station make money having to really serve the COL, when its one anonymous 'burb amongst many? No, the laws of capitalism state that you go where the $$$ is. The whole Boston area.
 
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